In message <41A5CF64.1050207@...> on Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Umesh
Persad <umesh.persad@...> wrote
>
>Dear List members,
> I would like to find out your definition of the following
>terms and how they are diferent:
>
>Classification and Characterisation
>Facet and Dimension
>
>Are they the same or are they diferent?
>
>Thank you very much,
>Umesh

As different people use terms such as these to mean different things,
confusion often arises. I am a member of a working party drafting a new
standard to replace the current British Standard for thesaurus
construction, BS5723, which is identical to the international standard
ISO 2788. In our draft we recommend various definitions; we do not claim
that these are "correct" and that other meanings are "wrong", but we
consider that it would be helpful if everyone used the same words with
the same meaning.

The definitions in the draft include the following:

================= Start of definitions ==================
array
= group of sibling terms

EXAMPLE In the following, outerwear and underwear are sibling terms in
the same array.

clothing
     outerwear
         overcoats
     underwear
------------------------------------------------------
characteristic of division
= attribute by which a concept can be subdivided into an array of
narrower concepts each having a distinct value of that attribute

EXAMPLE In the following, "age group" is the characteristic by which the
concept of "people" is divided.

people
     (people by age group)
     children
     youths
     adults
------------------------------------------------------
classification
= grouping together of similar or related things and the separation of
dissimilar or unrelated things and the arrangement of the resulting
groups in a logical and helpful sequence
------------------------------------------------------
facet
= high-level grouping of concepts of the same inherent category

NOTE Examples of categories that may be used for grouping concepts into
facets are: activities, disciplines, people, materials, living
organisms, objects, places and times.

EXAMPLE 1 Animals, mice, daffodils and bacteria could all be members of
a living organisms facet.

EXAMPLE 2 Digging, writing and cooking could all be members of an
activities facet.

EXAMPLE 3 Paris, the United Kingdom and the Alps could all be members of
a places facet.
------------------------------------------------------
faceted classification scheme
= classification scheme in which subjects are analysed into their
constituent facets

NOTE Separate schedules are compiled for each facet, and terms from
these may be combined according to prescribed rules to express a
compound subject.
------------------------------------------------------
node label
= label inserted into a hierarchical or classified display to show how
the terms have been arranged

NOTE A node label contains one of two different types of information:
either a) the name of a facet to which following terms belong; or b) the
attribute or characteristic of division by which an array of sibling
terms has been sorted or grouped.
------------------------------------------------------
sibling term
= one of two or more terms with the same immediate broader term

EXAMPLE In the following, "outerwear" and "underwear" are sibling terms
in the same array.

clothing
     outerwear
         overcoats
     underwear

==================== End of definitions ========================

I hope that these will make it clear what we mean by "classification"
and "facet". Note that in some literature the thing that we call a
"facet" is called a "fundamental facet" and the thing that we call an
"array" is called a "subfacet". I think that using the term "facet" for
both of these is misleading, because they are of quite different
natures.

I don't know how to interpret the word "dimension" that you ask about,
as it depends on context, but I suspect that it may sometimes be used to
refer to an array grouped by some specified characteristic of division,
such as "wines by colour". I would not use the expression "dimension"
for this.

I also don't know how to interpret "characterisation". It might mean
specification of attributes or characteristics, but again it depends on
context.

Another term sometimes found is "categorisation", which I think
generally means a form of broad or loose classification, but I don't
have a definitive definition for it.

I hope that this is of some help.

Best wishes

Leonard Will

--
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Information Management Consultants              Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092
27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)870 051 7276
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Thank you very much for your reply. It was definately helpful.
I also think that your website is a great resource as well, as it
contains many useful articles and links.

Best Regards,
Umesh


Leonard Will wrote:

> In message <41A5CF64.1050207@...> on Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Umesh
> Persad <umesh.persad@...> wrote
> >
> >Dear List members,
> > I would like to find out your definition of the following
> >terms and how they are diferent:
> >
> >Classification and Characterisation
> >Facet and Dimension
> >
> >Are they the same or are they diferent?
> >
> >Thank you very much,
> >Umesh
>
> As different people use terms such as these to mean different things,
> confusion often arises. I am a member of a working party drafting a new
> standard to replace the current British Standard for thesaurus
> construction, BS5723, which is identical to the international standard
> ISO 2788. In our draft we recommend various definitions; we do not claim
> that these are "correct" and that other meanings are "wrong", but we
> consider that it would be helpful if everyone used the same words with
> the same meaning.
>
> The definitions in the draft include the following:
>
> ================= Start of definitions ==================
> array
> = group of sibling terms
>
> EXAMPLE In the following, outerwear and underwear are sibling terms in
> the same array.
>
> clothing
>     outerwear
>         overcoats
>     underwear
> ------------------------------------------------------
> characteristic of division
> = attribute by which a concept can be subdivided into an array of
> narrower concepts each having a distinct value of that attribute
>
> EXAMPLE In the following, "age group" is the characteristic by which the
> concept of "people" is divided.
>
> people
>     (people by age group)
>     children
>     youths
>     adults
> ------------------------------------------------------
> classification
> = grouping together of similar or related things and the separation of
> dissimilar or unrelated things and the arrangement of the resulting
> groups in a logical and helpful sequence
> ------------------------------------------------------
> facet
> = high-level grouping of concepts of the same inherent category
>
> NOTE Examples of categories that may be used for grouping concepts into
> facets are: activities, disciplines, people, materials, living
> organisms, objects, places and times.
>
> EXAMPLE 1 Animals, mice, daffodils and bacteria could all be members of
> a living organisms facet.
>
> EXAMPLE 2 Digging, writing and cooking could all be members of an
> activities facet.
>
> EXAMPLE 3 Paris, the United Kingdom and the Alps could all be members of
> a places facet.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> faceted classification scheme
> = classification scheme in which subjects are analysed into their
> constituent facets
>
> NOTE Separate schedules are compiled for each facet, and terms from
> these may be combined according to prescribed rules to express a
> compound subject.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> node label
> = label inserted into a hierarchical or classified display to show how
> the terms have been arranged
>
> NOTE A node label contains one of two different types of information:
> either a) the name of a facet to which following terms belong; or b) the
> attribute or characteristic of division by which an array of sibling
> terms has been sorted or grouped.
> ------------------------------------------------------
> sibling term
> = one of two or more terms with the same immediate broader term
>
> EXAMPLE In the following, "outerwear" and "underwear" are sibling terms
> in the same array.
>
> clothing
>     outerwear
>         overcoats
>     underwear
>
> ==================== End of definitions ========================
>
> I hope that these will make it clear what we mean by "classification"
> and "facet". Note that in some literature the thing that we call a
> "facet" is called a "fundamental facet" and the thing that we call an
> "array" is called a "subfacet". I think that using the term "facet" for
> both of these is misleading, because they are of quite different
> natures.
>
> I don't know how to interpret the word "dimension" that you ask about,
> as it depends on context, but I suspect that it may sometimes be used to
> refer to an array grouped by some specified characteristic of division,
> such as "wines by colour". I would not use the expression "dimension"
> for this.
>
> I also don't know how to interpret "characterisation". It might mean
> specification of attributes or characteristics, but again it depends on
> context.
>
> Another term sometimes found is "categorisation", which I think
> generally means a form of broad or loose classification, but I don't
> have a definitive definition for it.
>
> I hope that this is of some help.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Leonard Will
>
> --
> Willpower Information       (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will)
> Information Management Consultants              Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092
> 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)870 051 7276
> L.Will@...               Sheena.Will@...
> ---------------- <URL:http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/> -----------------
>

I have put up a glossary of terms relating to thesauri, faceted
classification and related topics at
<http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/glossary.htm>.

This is based on discussions between a group of specialists in the area
of thesaurus development from a library / information science /
information management point of view rather than a technical computer
approach. We hope that it will aid understanding and provide common
ground between those with this background and those who are now
developing applications of these ideas within a computer and semantic
web context.

We are still discussing some of the definitions among ourselves, so they
should not be taken as definitive, but I thought it useful to let you
know of this list now so that we can receive feedback if you find
problems with any of the definitions, if they are unclear or conflict
with usage elsewhere.

Best wishes

Leonard Will
--
Willpower Information       (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will)
Information Management Consultants              Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092
27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)870 051 7276
L.Will@...               Sheena.Will@...
---------------- <URL:http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/> -----------------

We have just launched faceted searching In Engineering Village 2
www.engineeringvillage2.com <http://www.engineeringvillage2.com>  . If
anyone would like to see our implementaion, please email me your name,
position and company information for a guest user/pass account.

Best regards

Rafael Sidi
VP, Publishing, Engineering
Elsevier Engineering Information, Inc
1 Castle Point Terrace
Hoboken, NJ 07030
+1 201 356 6845 p
+1 917 434 6217 m
www.ei.org <http://www.ei.org/>
www.engineeringvillage2.org <http://www.engineeringvillage2.org/>

   _____

From: Leonard Will [mailto:L.Will@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:35 AM
To: facetedclassification@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [facetedclassification] Glossary of terms relating to thesauri and
faceted classification


I have put up a glossary of terms relating to thesauri, faceted
classification and related topics at
<http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/glossary.htm
<http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/glossary.htm> >.

This is based on discussions between a group of specialists in the area
of thesaurus development from a library / information science /
information management point of view rather than a technical computer
approach. We hope that it will aid understanding and provide common
ground between those with this background and those who are now
developing applications of these ideas within a computer and semantic
web context.

We are still discussing some of the definitions among ourselves, so they
should not be taken as definitive, but I thought it useful to let you
know of this list now so that we can receive feedback if you find
problems with any of the definitions, if they are unclear or conflict
with usage elsewhere.

Best wishes

Leonard Will
--
Willpower Information       (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will)
Information Management Consultants              Tel: +44 (0)20 8372 0092
27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex EN2 7BQ, UK. Fax: +44 (0)870 051 7276
L.Will@...               Sheena.Will@...
---------------- <URL:http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/
<http://www.willpowerinfo.co.uk/> > -----------------


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Apologies for double posting.

Last week we introduced beta version of faceted searching in
Engineering Village 2  http://www.engineeringvillage2.com.
If anyone would like to see our implementaion, please email me your
name, position and company information for a guest user/pass account.

Rafael Sidi
VP, Publishing, Engineering
Elsevier Engineering Information, Inc
1 Castle Point Terrace
Hoboken, NJ 07030
+1 201 356 6845 p
www.ei.org
www.engineeringvillage2.org 

Hello.

My name is John O'Gorman; I have a small business that goes by the name of
Tiberon Information Architects. Ltd.

Interested to see what you've done.

Regards.

John O'Gorman



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Hi! Everyone,

I will design and create a faceted website from scratch. (domain: government). I
will be much obliged if anyone could give me some advice or suggestions on how
to fulfil user test of a new website which incorporates faceted analysis.

Thanks.






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Can you provide more information about the objectives of the site.  When you
say "faceted website" , are you talking about using the facets to help
people find information more easily by breaking down the domain into facets
such as "audience", "agency", "content type", etc.?.  Are you planning to
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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:58 PM
To: facetedclassification@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [facetedclassification] a faceted website test


Hi! Everyone,

I will design and create a faceted website from scratch. (domain:
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suggestions on how to fulfil user test of a new website which incorporates
faceted analysis.

Thanks.






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Hi, Marcia,

Thank you for your reply. Yes, you said it. But I just want know if there is a
tool that can conduct usability test automatically on my prototype site that
will be designed in near future.
Sorry for not mentioning some details in last mail. The usability test is one
part of the outline of my dissertation.
Thanks again

james



Marcia Morante <marcia@...> wrote:
Hi James -

Can you provide more information about the objectives of the site.  When you
say "faceted website" , are you talking about using the facets to help
people find information more easily by breaking down the domain into facets
such as "audience", "agency", "content type", etc.?.  Are you planning to
display the vocabulary for each facet on the site?

Thanks,

Marcia

Marcia Morante
Taxonomy Strategies
+718-881-5915
+917-821-2087 (mobile)
mmorante@...
www.taxonomystrategies.com
Taxonomy Strategies:
the business of organized information


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From: james shi [mailto:jamesshigl@...]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:58 PM
To: facetedclassification@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [facetedclassification] a faceted website test


Hi! Everyone,

I will design and create a faceted website from scratch. (domain:
government). I will be much obliged if anyone could give me some advice or
suggestions on how to fulfil user test of a new website which incorporates
faceted analysis.

Thanks.






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Hi Folks,

Sorry if I bring up an old discussion: nested facets.

The problem was:
Some facets are only relevant in some situations
Peter's example:
Electronics store where weight is only relevant when you choose
Camera's, PDA's or Notebooks. Weight is not relevant for switches,
CPU's, etc.
Conclusion:
We need some type of a conditional facet. Travis came up with the notion
of a "scope". The scope of a facet would determine whether or not a
facet is visible.
http://www.poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/04/23/1235/nested-facets
Question:
If I go to XFML.org I see there is still no scope defined in XFML. Why?
Is "scope" not the answer to this problem?

I am writing this because I am in a heavy need of such a definition.

Marcel


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> If I go to XFML.org I see there is still no scope defined in XFML. Why?
> Is "scope" not the answer to this problem?
>
> I am writing this because I am in a heavy need of such a definition.

Because I haven't worked on XFML for 2 years - no time and other
priorities... Maybe you can develop a definition and publish it?

Peter

At 11:21 PM 2/20/2005, Marcel wrote:
>Some facets are only relevant in some situations
>We need some type of a conditional facet. Travis came up with the notion
>of a "scope". The scope of a facet would determine whether or not a
>facet is visible.
>http://www.poorbuthappy.com/ease/archives/2004/04/23/1235/nested-facets
>If I go to XFML.org I see there is still no scope defined in XFML. Why?
>Is "scope" not the answer to this problem?

To be obnoxiously vague, it depends on what you need it for. I think
"scope" is a solution if you are creating navigational data that will be
browsed by a human or robot user. It enables the use suggested by Peter's
blog entry and also most of the uses suggested by that entry's comments.
But if your facet data is meant for consumption in other ways -- massive
number-crunching, for example, or for descriptive purposes -- then "scope"
may not be the way to go.

I'll offer this enhancement to the FacetMap 2.0 schema, and you can tell me
if it works for you. Consider this a starting point, a request for
comments. I will publish the result in the 2.1 schema.

FacetMap 2.0 <http://facetmap.com/spec/facetmap2_0.dtd> defines the various
facet types like this:

<!ELEMENT taxonomy (heading+)>
<!ELEMENT spectrum (range*)>
<!ELEMENT facet EMPTY>

such that a taxonomy facet contains taxonomic headings, a spectrum facet
contains range headings, and a generic facet (used for reference) contains
nothing. The enhancement would extend the definitions like so:

<!ELEMENT taxonomy (scope?, heading+)>
<!ELEMENT spectrum (scope?, range*)>
<!ELEMENT facet (scope?)>

so that one scope element could optionally be included, defined as follows:

<!ELEMENT scope EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST scope
    facetid ID #REQUIRED
    heading ID #REQUIRED
  >

If present, the <scope> element indicates that the facet is only relevant
within the context of the heading specified by "heading", and its
subheadings. The "facetid" attribute indicates which facet that heading
lives in. (The definition of "relevant" is still fuzzy and perhaps should
remain fuzzy.) For example:

<taxonomy facetid="product">
    <heading id="electronics">
      <heading id="cameras" />
    </heading>
    <heading id="furnishings">
      <heading id="sofas" />
    </heading>
</taxonomy>

<taxonomy facetid="lens-type">
    <scope facetid="product" heading="cameras" />
    <heading id="zoom" />
    <heading id="fixed" />
</taxonomy>

In this example, the "lens-type" facet is only relevant if the user has
selected the "cameras" heading in the "product" facet. If that's the case,
the "lens-type" facet and its headings are available for selection.
Otherwise (say, if "sofas" is selected instead of "cameras", or if no
"product" heading is selected at all), the "lens-type" facet is ignored.
Question: is there a need to combine two or more <scope> elements in a
single facet?

All feedback is appreciated.

Travis Wilson
Development
http://facetmap.com

Dear all,

I have put an outline of the prototype of faceted classification
schemes, namely Ranganathan's Colon Classification, at
http://www.iskoi.org/doc/colon.htm . I hope people can find it useful
to get an idea of how it works. Of course the page could be improved,
so any suggestion is welcome.

Claudio Gnoli <gnoli@...>
ISKO Italy

Apologies for cross-postings.

I am a doctoral candidate at Indiana University currently conducting
a study of the use of facets in website design and construction.

During May and June - I plan to interview 20 individuals who use
facets, facet analysis, or faceted classification as site components
(for example: as content categories, in browsing, navigation or
search systems).

Earlier work relating to this study is posted here:
  http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre/facetstudy.html

Interviews will not last more than one hour, will be conducted
individually, and will be conducted at your office or other
convenient place, phone interviews are also a possibility. A
transcript of the interview will be made. Each participant will
receive a copy and can edit the interview transcript. The names of
participants will be kept confidential.

The result of these interviews and a preceding study of a random
sample of websites, will be the creation of a checklist or set of
guidelines for faceted website design and construction. Each
participant in the study will receive a copy. Once completed, the
results of this study will be posted on my website.

If you are interested in participating, or would like to know more
about this study, please contact me / klabarre@...

One last bit of info - since the activities and products of the
members of this group are of particular interest to this study:

This study is dissertation research which will involve content
analysis of websites and interviews with practitioners. This isn't
as "academic" as it may first seem, especially since the original
theoretical underpinnings of faceting come from the practice of
people in the trenches, not from university studies! This is why I
want to talk to people who actively use facets -- about their own
use, understanding and difficulties. I view this study as an
opportunity to re-examine the theory underlying faceting and provides
a chance to inject practical, current experience gained from using
facets on the web.

Hoping to have a chance to talk with you soon,

         Kathryn La Barre        http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre
         doctoral candidate,
         School of Library and Information Science
         Indiana University

Kathryn La Barre,

I am currently doing some research in putting FC on website, I'd like to
participate in your study.

There is still one thing that I have not understood, how do I participate? That
is to say, I will be a interviewee or interviewer?

All the best

Guoliang Shi
Visiting Scholar

School of Information and Library Science
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3360

E-mail: mailto:glshi@...

E-mail: mailto:jamesshigl@...





kathryn_la_barre <exlibri8024@...> wrote:

Apologies for cross-postings.

I am a doctoral candidate at Indiana University currently conducting
a study of the use of facets in website design and construction.

During May and June - I plan to interview 20 individuals who use
facets, facet analysis, or faceted classification as site components
(for example: as content categories, in browsing, navigation or
search systems).

Earlier work relating to this study is posted here:
http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre/facetstudy.html

Interviews will not last more than one hour, will be conducted
individually, and will be conducted at your office or other
convenient place, phone interviews are also a possibility. A
transcript of the interview will be made. Each participant will
receive a copy and can edit the interview transcript. The names of
participants will be kept confidential.

The result of these interviews and a preceding study of a random
sample of websites, will be the creation of a checklist or set of
guidelines for faceted website design and construction. Each
participant in the study will receive a copy. Once completed, the
results of this study will be posted on my website.

If you are interested in participating, or would like to know more
about this study, please contact me / klabarre@...

One last bit of info - since the activities and products of the
members of this group are of particular interest to this study:

This study is dissertation research which will involve content
analysis of websites and interviews with practitioners. This isn't
as "academic" as it may first seem, especially since the original
theoretical underpinnings of faceting come from the practice of
people in the trenches, not from university studies! This is why I
want to talk to people who actively use facets -- about their own
use, understanding and difficulties. I view this study as an
opportunity to re-examine the theory underlying faceting and provides
a chance to inject practical, current experience gained from using
facets on the web.

Hoping to have a chance to talk with you soon,

         Kathryn La Barre        http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre
         doctoral candidate,
         School of Library and Information Science
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james shi <jamesshigl@...> wrote:
Kathryn La Barre,

I am currently doing some research in putting FC on website, I'd like to
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There is still one thing that I have not understood, how do I participate? That
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Apologies for cross-postings.

I am a doctoral candidate at Indiana University currently conducting
a study of the use of facets in website design and construction.

During May and June - I plan to interview 20 individuals who use
facets, facet analysis, or faceted classification as site components
(for example: as content categories, in browsing, navigation or
search systems).

Earlier work relating to this study is posted here:
http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre/facetstudy.html

Interviews will not last more than one hour, will be conducted
individually, and will be conducted at your office or other
convenient place, phone interviews are also a possibility. A
transcript of the interview will be made. Each participant will
receive a copy and can edit the interview transcript. The names of
participants will be kept confidential.

The result of these interviews and a preceding study of a random
sample of websites, will be the creation of a checklist or set of
guidelines for faceted website design and construction. Each
participant in the study will receive a copy. Once completed, the
results of this study will be posted on my website.

If you are interested in participating, or would like to know more
about this study, please contact me / klabarre@...

One last bit of info - since the activities and products of the
members of this group are of particular interest to this study:

This study is dissertation research which will involve content
analysis of websites and interviews with practitioners. This isn't
as "academic" as it may first seem, especially since the original
theoretical underpinnings of faceting come from the practice of
people in the trenches, not from university studies! This is why I
want to talk to people who actively use facets -- about their own
use, understanding and difficulties. I view this study as an
opportunity to re-examine the theory underlying faceting and provides
a chance to inject practical, current experience gained from using
facets on the web.

Hoping to have a chance to talk with you soon,

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         Indiana University





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Dear Kathryn,

Papers 8 and 3 at
http://www.csi.forth.gr/~tzitzik/publications.htm#CTCA
could also be interesting for your study.
Regards,
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--- In facetedclassification@yahoogroups.com, james shi
<jamesshigl@y...> wrote:
> Sorry for bothering all of you, I have just made a misunderstanding.
>
> All the best
>
> Guoliang
>
> james shi <jamesshigl@y...> wrote:
> Kathryn La Barre,
>
> I am currently doing some research in putting FC on website, I'd
like to participate in your study.
>
> There is still one thing that I have not understood, how do I
participate? That is to say, I will be a interviewee or interviewer?
>
> All the best
>
> Guoliang Shi
> Visiting Scholar
>
> School of Information and Library Science
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3360
>
> E-mail: mailto:glshi@e...
>
> E-mail: mailto:jamesshigl@y...
>
>
>
>
>
> kathryn_la_barre <exlibri8024@h...> wrote:
>
> Apologies for cross-postings.
>
> I am a doctoral candidate at Indiana University currently conducting
> a study of the use of facets in website design and construction.
>
> During May and June - I plan to interview 20 individuals who use
> facets, facet analysis, or faceted classification as site components
> (for example: as content categories, in browsing, navigation or
> search systems).
>
> Earlier work relating to this study is posted here:
> http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre/facetstudy.html
>
> Interviews will not last more than one hour, will be conducted
> individually, and will be conducted at your office or other
> convenient place, phone interviews are also a possibility. A
> transcript of the interview will be made. Each participant will
> receive a copy and can edit the interview transcript. The names of
> participants will be kept confidential.
>
> The result of these interviews and a preceding study of a random
> sample of websites, will be the creation of a checklist or set of
> guidelines for faceted website design and construction. Each
> participant in the study will receive a copy. Once completed, the
> results of this study will be posted on my website.
>
> If you are interested in participating, or would like to know more
> about this study, please contact me / klabarre@i...
>
> One last bit of info - since the activities and products of the
> members of this group are of particular interest to this study:
>
> This study is dissertation research which will involve content
> analysis of websites and interviews with practitioners. This isn't
> as "academic" as it may first seem, especially since the original
> theoretical underpinnings of faceting come from the practice of
> people in the trenches, not from university studies! This is why I
> want to talk to people who actively use facets -- about their own
> use, understanding and difficulties. I view this study as an
> opportunity to re-examine the theory underlying faceting and provides
> a chance to inject practical, current experience gained from using
> facets on the web.
>
> Hoping to have a chance to talk with you soon,
>
>         Kathryn La Barre        http://mypage.iu.edu/~klabarre
>         doctoral candidate,
>         School of Library and Information Science
>         Indiana University
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Hi,

Situation:
- There seems to be little development in XFML
- I am craving for something that might be called "nested facets" or
"scopes"

Proposal:
Let go of XFML and move to Topic Maps. This facetedclassification
community develops the constraint language to make sure we can still
build our faceted interfaces from it. Topic Maps has its own constraint
language called TMCL.

Advantages:
- Topic Maps has scopes so my problem would be solved.
- The community and development on Topic Maps is alive and kicking.

I find the weakness of topic maps that there is no interface that really
uses the power that lies in topic maps. For example :
<http://www.nzetc.org> www.nzetc.org is nice because you can keep on
hopping in different directions. However, it is hard to get an overview.
So locating interesting information is hard on this site. Giving an
overview and allowing a user to make sensible choices is the power of
faceted classification (I think). This marriage might give both parties
a boost!

Reactions?

Marcel


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> Proposal:
> Let go of XFML and move to Topic Maps. This facetedclassification
> community develops the constraint language to make sure we can still
> build our faceted interfaces from it.

Hi Marcel,
this is a very good idea - exactly what the topicmap people hope
Topicmaps will be used for. It'll be kinda hard, but go for it. I'm
sure you will get support from the topicmap guys. Maybe even try
contacting one of the companies, they might be interested in
implementing a faceted browsing interface.

Cheers,
Peter

Hi all,
a whole bunch of new members have joined in the last few months, so
I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves briefly. Who'se first?

Cheers,
Peter

I'm not a "new" member, but I'll introduce myself. I'm head of the
Wordsmyth dictionary project (http://www.wordsmyth.net) and I'm
looking for ways to represent a "thesaurus" of semantic relations
such as the "Word Explorer" in the Wordsmyth Children's Dictionary.
Check an entry such as "airplane" in the children's dictionary to see
a sample. I can imagine how this would be represented as topics and
associations in a topic map. But I'm having trouble figuring out
which relations would be facets. Does a faceted analysis require
"fundamental" facets that apply to all entries?
Bob

>Hi all,
>a whole bunch of new members have joined in the last few months, so
>I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves briefly. Who'se first?
>
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I just want to give some  thoughts on this topic. I am
not attempting at any answers . My objective is to
start a good discussion on thesaurus representation.


If we take this example of "Airplane"  it is an
"ENTITY / CONCRETE OBJECT / THING ".

A Concrete Object may have its Species / Types :
"Supersonic Airplane" for instance.

It may have its Parts : "Landing Gear" for instance.

It may have Properties : Flight Range, Speed etc.

It may perform certain Actions:  Diving, Rolling

If the terms are grouped this way in the thesaurus
then it almost corresponds to faceted representation.

Hope this helps. I would appreciate comments and
criticism.

F.J. Devadason


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> I'm head of the
> Wordsmyth dictionary project
> (http://www.wordsmyth.net) and I'm
> looking for ways to represent a "thesaurus" of
> semantic relations
> such as the "Word Explorer" in the Wordsmyth
> Children's Dictionary.
> Check an entry such as "airplane" in the children's
> dictionary to see
> a sample. I can imagine how this would be
> represented as topics and
> associations in a topic map. But I'm having trouble
> figuring out
> which relations would be facets. Does a faceted
> analysis require
> "fundamental" facets that apply to all entries?
> Bob
>
> >Hi all,
> >a whole bunch of new members have joined in the
> last few months, so
> >I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves
> briefly. Who'se first?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Peter
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On 5/8/05, F.J.Devadason <devadason_f_j@...> wrote:
> If we take this example of "Airplane"  it is an
> "ENTITY / CONCRETE OBJECT / THING ".
>
> A Concrete Object may have its Species / Types :
> "Supersonic Airplane" for instance.
> It may have its Parts : "Landing Gear" for instance.
> It may have Properties : Flight Range, Speed etc.
> It may perform certain Actions:  Diving, Rolling
>
> If the terms are grouped this way in the thesaurus
> then it almost corresponds to faceted representation.

Certainly, each of those descriptors is a facet an airplane may have,
and I even like the way they've been grouped.

My question is, you say it "almost corresponds" to faceted
representation. Why does it almost correspond? In my mind it
corresponds to faceted representation just fine.

Is there an assumption that facets are never grouped?

--
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Thinking & Making: IA, UX, and IxD
http://thinkingandmaking.com
austin.govella@...

>> >Hi all,
>> >a whole bunch of new members have joined in the
>> last few months, so
>> >I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves
>> briefly. Who'se first?
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Peter
>> >

Hi all,

I am Kora (full name: Koraljka Golub), doing my PhD at Lund University, Sweden.
I work with utilizing controlled vocabularies in automated classification, esp.
with classification schemes that are mapped to thesuri.

Best regards,

¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
Koraljka Golub, PhD Student
E-mail: koraljka.golub@...
URL: http://www.it.lth.se/koraljka/Lund/

KnowLib, Dept. of IT, Lund University
P.O. Box 118, SE-221 00 Lund, Sweden
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petertheman wrote:

>a whole bunch of new members have joined in the last few months, so
>I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves briefly. Who'se first?
>
>
>
Hi all,
I write from Italy, I'm a content designer  working in a little company
doing multimedia
products for cultural heritage institutions.
I'm interested in faceted classification as a part of my work.

kind regards,
agnese

Faceted Representation has to reflect the facet
structure/ facet sequence. As I did not mention about
facet sequence I said "almost corresponds" to.


A faceted representation should reflect the "facet
structure" too.

Devadason
--- Austin Govella <austin.govella@...> wrote:
> On 5/8/05, F.J.Devadason <devadason_f_j@...>
> wrote:
> > If we take this example of "Airplane"  it is an
> > "ENTITY / CONCRETE OBJECT / THING ".
> >
> > A Concrete Object may have its Species / Types :
> > "Supersonic Airplane" for instance.
> > It may have its Parts : "Landing Gear" for
> instance.
> > It may have Properties : Flight Range, Speed etc.
> > It may perform certain Actions:  Diving, Rolling
> >
> > If the terms are grouped this way in the thesaurus
> > then it almost corresponds to faceted
> representation.
>
> Certainly, each of those descriptors is a facet an
> airplane may have,
> and I even like the way they've been grouped.
>
> My question is, you say it "almost corresponds" to
> faceted
> representation. Why does it almost correspond? In my
> mind it
> corresponds to faceted representation just fine.
>
> Is there an assumption that facets are never
> grouped?
>
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On 5/11/05, F.J.Devadason <devadason_f_j@...> wrote:
> Faceted Representation has to reflect the facet
> structure/ facet sequence. As I did not mention about
> facet sequence I said "almost corresponds" to.
>
> A faceted representation should reflect the "facet
> structure" too.

I think this is an interesting approach and am curious to hear more.

In my view, any given object or concept has an infinite number of
potential facets. "Facet structure" seems to suggest at least a
primary collection of facets, more important than others, and that
their structure should suggest the nature of the resulting taxonomy.

Am I reading this right?

And if this is the case, how do you best determine the 'primary
collection of facets'? Facet patterns derived from culture? Use?

I think we can all intuit the facets we should expose for a given
object. I was just wondering if you were suggesting a more defined
approach.



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http://thinkingandmaking.com
austin.govella@...

I am a professional indexer academically trained in library and
information science.  I currently am developing taxnomies for a
major government contract for a very complex and diverse user group.

We are keen on developing faceted classification for taxnomy and
possibly for thesaurus/controlled vocabulary.

We are challenged by working with content that is not classified in
any consistent manner (if at all) so any shoulders I could cry on ...

Cheers,

M J B

--- In facetedclassification@yahoogroups.com, "petertheman"
<peter@p...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> a whole bunch of new members have joined in the last few months, so
> I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves briefly. Who'se
first?
>
> Cheers,
> Peter

The theory of Library classification as explained by
S.R. Ranganathan in his "Prolegomena to Library
Classification" Ed 3, would form the basis for such an
approach.

Devadason

--- Austin Govella <austin.govella@...> wrote:
> On 5/11/05, F.J.Devadason <devadason_f_j@...>
> wrote:
> > Faceted Representation has to reflect the facet
> > structure/ facet sequence. As I did not mention
> about
> > facet sequence I said "almost corresponds" to.
> >
> > A faceted representation should reflect the "facet
> > structure" too.
>
> I think this is an interesting approach and am
> curious to hear more.
>
> In my view, any given object or concept has an
> infinite number of
> potential facets. "Facet structure" seems to suggest
> at least a
> primary collection of facets, more important than
> others, and that
> their structure should suggest the nature of the
> resulting taxonomy.
>
> Am I reading this right?
>
> And if this is the case, how do you best determine
> the 'primary
> collection of facets'? Facet patterns derived from
> culture? Use?
>
> I think we can all intuit the facets we should
> expose for a given
> object. I was just wondering if you were suggesting
> a more defined
> approach.
>
>
>
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Hi all,
I'm a library/info science student at the University of North Carolina.  At
this point, I've had relatively little practical experience with faceted
classification, but philosophically, it seems to me the only classification
system that makes any sense at all in an online environment, and the best
classification system for interdisciplinary areas in collections.  I hope to
experiment with it in a database I'm building as a Masters Project, and so
far, it seems your experiences with it will be very helpful,

Emily Fidelman

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>Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 11:26:54 -0000
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>a whole bunch of new members have joined in the last few months, so
>I'd like to invite them to introduce themselves briefly. Who'se first?
>
>Cheers,
>Peter
>
>