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#620 From: goldclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:17 pm
Subject: Reminder - Tom Garner
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Tom Garner

Date: Sunday, April 24, 2005
Time: 9:30PM JST (GMT+09:00)

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#619 From: LOUANA1@...
Date: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: Vote to disband
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I vote Yes.
Richard

#618 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:53 am
Subject: Vote to disband
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Hi All,

Now that we have had a chance to reflect and discuss I suggest we take a vote on
disbanding.  I think from the various comments everyone has made we are in basic
agreement (or at least acceptance) of disbanding.

I VOTE YES.

We have also discussed 3 ways to liquidate.  We should put off the final
decision on those ways until after we have a definite decision to disband, but
anything we do should probably be done before the end of the tax year, and with
a couple months to spare in case we want to individually take any actions before
year end (such as selling the shares ourselves if we get them distributed to us
individually).  The three ways we discussed are:

1) liquidate everything into cash and send each person their share

2) distribute all the shares instead of liquidating.  each person would get
their share of each individual stock

3) liquidate the little holdings but distribute the 2 primary investments as
stock shares

                                     - Paaul

#617 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 1:28 pm
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The best option might be to cash out the members in stock for the two big holdings (Cedar Fair and United Natural Foods) which both have built in gains, but to have the club sell the smaller holdings (which will not be a tax gain) so that we don't have to each pay commission on our smaller pieces of those holdings.

At 7:42 AM -0400 6/3/04, Paul Hess wrote:
Hi Lanny,

So would we send actual (paper) shares to each member if we do it that way?

The gains/losses on most stocks are more than a year old so they would be "long term" capital gains.  Some of the gains and losses would cancel out and the net result would be a smaller number.  I wonder if that total tax consequence would be LESS than the commission cost to each member of selling all those shares.  If someone pays (for example) $15/trade and has 10 stocks to sell that's $150 in commissions plus they will still eventually get the same tax hit.  And I don't know if the brokers will charge a fee to receive the paper shares or not.  If we have the club sell all of the stocks we are sharing the single commission cost 6 ways.

Just something to consider.

                                 - Paul


At 7:40 AM -0400 6/3/04, Lanny Vrooman wrote:
If we decide to disband the club, one possible option would be to cash out each member in stock.  I think (not one hundred percent sure) that way we would not incur tax consequences until we sold the stock.  We have done this when members withdrew.

Lanny

At 02:14 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
I would hate to see the club disband, but I will go along with the
majority.

One thing tho, what will the tax consequences be to the members if
everything must be sold to distribute the funds. Can everyone please
consider the answer to this in their decision.

Thanks,

Donna



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#616 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 11:42 am
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Hi Lanny,

So would we send actual (paper) shares to each member if we do it that way?

The gains/losses on most stocks are more than a year old so they would be "long term" capital gains.  Some of the gains and losses would cancel out and the net result would be a smaller number.  I wonder if that total tax consequence would be LESS than the commission cost to each member of selling all those shares.  If someone pays (for example) $15/trade and has 10 stocks to sell that's $150 in commissions plus they will still eventually get the same tax hit.  And I don't know if the brokers will charge a fee to receive the paper shares or not.  If we have the club sell all of the stocks we are sharing the single commission cost 6 ways.

Just something to consider.

                                 - Paul


At 7:40 AM -0400 6/3/04, Lanny Vrooman wrote:
If we decide to disband the club, one possible option would be to cash out each member in stock.  I think (not one hundred percent sure) that way we would not incur tax consequences until we sold the stock.  We have done this when members withdrew.

Lanny

At 02:14 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
I would hate to see the club disband, but I will go along with the
majority.

One thing tho, what will the tax consequences be to the members if
everything must be sold to distribute the funds. Can everyone please
consider the answer to this in their decision.

Thanks,

Donna



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#615 From: Lanny Vrooman <Lanny.V@...>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 11:40 am
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If we decide to disband the club, one possible option would be to cash out each member in stock.  I think (not one hundred percent sure) that way we would not incur tax consequences until we sold the stock.  We have done this when members withdrew.

Lanny

At 02:14 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
I would hate to see the club disband, but I will go along with the
majority.

One thing tho, what will the tax consequences be to the members if
everything must be sold to distribute the funds. Can everyone please
consider the answer to this in their decision.

Thanks,

Donna



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#614 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 11:23 am
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Hi Tucker,

Thanks for your kind words.  There has been some business and discussions by direct e-mail, but overall it's been pretty quiet.  If we decide to disband we might still use this group to exchange ideas occasionally since I think most are interested in that.

I started to look through some of your meetings logs on your web site and I think you have some interesting stocks in your portfolio.  It's a good read, especially for members considering joining your group.  Good luck!

                              - Paul

At 8:01 PM -0700 6/2/04, Tucker Gilman wrote:
Dear Gold Club members,
I am not a member of Gold Club, but I am the president of a small investment partnership partially modeled on your group. I have been on the Gold Club email list for almost two years observing and learning about the way you operate. The email list has been very quiet recently, and I had assumed that most Gold Club business was being conducted at live meetings. I was very surprised to read yesterday that the club may soon disband.
Because I am not a Gold Club partner, I do not have any meaningful comment to make on your upcoming decision. However, if Gold Club does disband and if any Gold Club partners would like to continue their involvement with investment clubs, I invite you to consider RainFrog Ethical Investment Partnership. RainFrog is partially modeled on Gold Club, although there are several important differences, including our focus on Socially Responsible Investment and the fact that our monthly meetings are conducted by email rather than in person. You can read more about our partnership and the way we operate on our web site (www.geocities.com/rainfrog_japan). You can also download a copy of our Agreement of Partnership from the web site. I would be happy to answer any questions you might have either by email or by telephone (home 202-965-5659, work 202-778-9661).
I wish you the best of luck with your future investments, and I hope to hear from some of you in the near future. I believe RainFrog has a lot to gain from the experience of Gold Club partners, and I hope you will find we have a lot to offer in return.
Sincerely,
R. Tucker Gilman
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#613 From: Tucker Gilman <rainfrog_japan@...>
Date: Thu Jun 3, 2004 3:01 am
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Dear Gold Club members,

I am not a member of Gold Club, but I am the president of a small investment partnership partially modeled on your group. I have been on the Gold Club email list for almost two years observing and learning about the way you operate. The email list has been very quiet recently, and I had assumed that most Gold Club business was being conducted at live meetings. I was very surprised to read yesterday that the club may soon disband.

Because I am not a Gold Club partner, I do not have any meaningful comment to make on your upcoming decision. However, if Gold Club does disband and if any Gold Club partners would like to continue their involvement with investment clubs, I invite you to consider RainFrog Ethical Investment Partnership. RainFrog is partially modeled on Gold Club, although there are several important differences, including our focus on Socially Responsible Investment and the fact that our monthly meetings are conducted by email rather than in person. You can read more about our partnership and the way we operate on our web site (www.geocities.com/rainfrog_japan). You can also download a copy of our Agreement of Partnership from the web site. I would be happy to answer any questions you might have either by email or by telephone (home 202-965-5659, work 202-778-9661).

I wish you the best of luck with your future investments, and I hope to hear from some of you in the near future. I believe RainFrog has a lot to gain from the experience of Gold Club partners, and I hope you will find we have a lot to offer in return.

Sincerely,

R. Tucker Gilman
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Date: Tue Jun 1, 2004 6:14 pm
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I would hate to see the club disband, but I will go along with the
majority.

One thing tho, what will the tax consequences be to the members if
everything must be sold to distribute the funds. Can everyone please
consider the answer to this in their decision.

Thanks,

Donna

#611 From: goldclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:17 pm
Subject: Reminder - Tom Garner
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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Tom Garner

Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004
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#610 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Oct 23, 2003 4:45 am
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How are things going?  Are you relocating, or just changing your mail?

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>account up/running, but am stopping all distrubtion lists and such, so
>hopefully I can ping you real soon...
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>thanks one and all...
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I'll be keeping my Yahoo account (hopefully) and my other hotpop
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hopefully I can ping you real soon...

thanks one and all...

#608 From: "Michael Keller" <m.w.keller@...>
Date: Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:17 pm
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Man, when not spending money brings a better return than investing it...
The New York Times

August 10, 2003

What Investors Should Do Now

By DAVID LEONHARDT and ALEX MARKELS

DOROTHY O. MULVI has developed something of a following at Golden West Manor, a high-rise retirement home overlooking the Rocky Mountains in Boulder, Colo. When other residents are thinking about how to stretch their savings to pay for retirement, they often come to Ms. Mulvi, an 82-year-old former bond trader, for investment tips. These days, however, she tends to have only one piece of advice, and it is not very comforting.

Sit tight, she told one friend recently. Don't tie up your money quite yet in long-range interest-bearing investments. Just because long-term interest rates have ticked up over the last month or so, she pointed out, they are still near the 40-year lows.

This may well be the most confusing time for investors in more than 20 years, and not only for those like Ms. Mulvi who are more dependent on the returns from their investments to live day to day. Short-term interest rates are below inflation for the first time since 1980. Many investment advisers consider long-term bonds a poor choice despite the recent climb in their return, with the rate on a 10-year Treasury note now at 4.27 percent, up from 3.1 percent in June.

Stocks remain more expensive than they have been for much of the last century, relative to corporate earnings. Real estate values in some regions are considered excessive, making housing in some cases a potentially risky investment.

"There is just no easy answer," said Jeremy J. Siegel, a finance professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.

Ms. Mulvi has even taken to advising some friends to do as she has done and dip into their investment principal.

"That pains me," she said, tightening the grip on her cane as she sat in Golden West's lobby. "I'm a conservative person."

Amid all the uncertainty, however, there is also room for many people to fare better than they are now. Doing so requires thinking about investing as something that encompasses more than cash flows and tax implications and extends to far more basic concepts, financial experts say. In a strange way, that might offer a little relief from all the uncertainty.

With short-term interest rates near zero, economizing has become more lucrative than it was in the 1990's. People who cut $50 from their monthly expenses — by switching to a less expensive Internet service, say, or quitting a gym they never use — are adding the same amount to their after-tax income as the interest on a $100,000 money market fund might.

Index funds, which generally have the lowest expenses among mutual funds, have become attractive for the same reason. So are investments that do not force people to tie up their money for years at the current level of returns. Many households could more than double the return they are getting on a C.D. or money market fund by moving the cash to inflation-indexed government bonds, which are paying 4.66 percent a year and must be held for just 12 months.

Of course, investing never looks free of peril at the time when the decisions are made. Many of the clairvoyant people who pulled their money out of technology stocks in early 2000, for example, worried at the time that the bubble was still inflating. The home buyers who brilliantly bought real estate amid the 2001 recession received no assurances then that housing prices were still on the rise.

But the current situation is nonetheless unusual. It has created vexing questions for retirees, baby boomers preparing to follow them soon and even Generations X, Y and Z, who should care almost exclusively about the long term and will usually do best by diversifying their investments.

There is no low-hanging fruit, said Martin Barnes, managing editor of the Bank Credit Analyst, an investment publication based in Montreal. It was easier in the 90's, even before the run-up in stocks, he said.

After the recent jump in interest rates, as investors have become more confident about economic growth but more concerned about the federal budget deficit, long-term bonds offer the latest temptation. But buying these bonds could ultimately feel like buying the best apple in a barrel full of rotten ones.

A few years from now, the 4 percent return now available on a 10-year note could look far less attractive than it does today, particularly if the economy picks up and takes inflation with it.

"You've got to be patient in the expectation that rates will rise," said Marshall B. Front, chairman of Front Barnett Associates, an investment counseling firm in Chicago. "Then you can tie your money up."

People who buy long-term bonds now are likely to suffer the same fate as those who bought long-term Treasuries a month ago, Mr. Front added. As interest rates have risen, those investors have seen the principal value of their bonds fall about 8 percent.

Ms. Mulvi agrees: "We've got a $450 billion deficit now, and it's going to be financed through the issuance of additional Treasury securities," she said. "That's going to bring interest rates up."

In fact, economists can make a credible argument, grounded in history, that bonds or stocks or houses are so far ahead of themselves that they will be to the coming decade what Japanese real estate and General Motors shares were to the previous one. Based on earnings over the last 12 months, the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index is more expensive than it has been at any time since 1950, outside of the late 90's.

Money market deposit accounts, meanwhile, are paying an average annual return of about 0.5 percent, down from about 2 percent during most of 2001, according to the research company BankRate.com. Against that background, some investors find that they have more financial decisions to make, because some municipal bonds and mortgage-backed securities have recently been called in before their due dates, unable to continue paying 5 or 6 percent a year.

Ms. Mulvi and other people trying to live on investment income face the hardest choices. Many already live on tight budgets, offering little chance at easy savings, and they cannot simply abandon low-risk, low-return investments to put their faith in the stock market's unmatched long-term record.

In Boulder, 20 percent of the apartments are now vacant at Villas at the Atrium, a retirement home that costs $2,400 a month for a one-bedroom apartment, meals, housekeeping and other services. That is more than twice the rent across town at Golden West. Three years ago, Villas at the Atrium was full.

"People are moving out of here because they can't afford it anymore," said Elizabeth Pahlke, who moved to the Atrium four years ago with her husband and has continued to live there since he died six months ago. "I'm having to dig into the principal of my investments," she added, "to pay for it."

To conserve principal, she has made small spending cuts. She no longer eats out, as she did with her husband, and avoids buying souvenirs on trips, like a vacation last month in Minnesota with grandchildren. As is the case for many of her peers, however, one big cost is going in the other direction: health care.

Although Medicare covered most of a recent ambulance ride to the hospital, her share of the $800 bill was more than twice as much as it was the last time she needed an ambulance, four years ago. "And it's not like it's something I could have done without," Mrs. Pahlke said.

Overall medical costs having risen 10 percent since the start of 2001, according to the Labor Department, while the Federal Reserve has lowered its benchmark federal funds interest rate to 1 percent, from 6.5 percent. That divergence has become a frequent subject of complaints to AARP, the lobbying group.

"We get calls from seniors asking us to lobby Alan Greenspan to raise interest rates," said David M. Certner, AARP's director of federal affairs. "But the truth is, there's not an easy solution to the problem right now."

When Mr. Greenspan, the Fed's chairman, testified before Congress last month, Representative Ron Paul, a Texas Republican, questioned him sharply about the problems that low interest rates create for retirees. Mr. Greenspan replied that the Fed had no choice but to keep its benchmark rate low and to encourage business investment, home buying and other activity that would help the still-weak economy.

"We can't have it both ways," Mr. Greenspan said. In other words, we cannot have both high interest rates, which give significant incomes to those who hold interest-paying investments, and low interest rates, which will stabilize the economy and expand it.

INVESTORS can do better than a 1 percent annual return by handing over their money for longer stretches of time. Five-year C.D.'s still yield about 2.7 percent, on average, compared with 0.85 percent for a three-month C.D. and 0.26 percent for an interest-bearing checking account, according to BankRate.com.

But these present some of the same problems as long-term bonds. At today's low interest rates, tying up money for long periods rarely makes sense, financial planners say. Despite their puny yields, money market accounts and C.D.'s remain better options for many people who need income because of the flexibility the investments offer. If rates rise, as many economists expect, better opportunities will become available.

For investors who are just looking for a safe, decent return without immediate income, meanwhile, the inflation-indexed bonds remain attractive. They are still paying a better return than a 10-year note, even though they require just a small time commitment and do not put the investment's principal at risk.

The bonds — which are known as I-bonds and should not be confused with Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities, or TIPS, whose underlying value varies — will now pay about 1.1 percentage points a year over the inflation rate for up to 30 years, and they can be redeemed anytime after one year. For the first five years, investors who redeem them must forfeit their last three months of interest.

The stocks in the S.& P. 500 are also paying more income than money market funds, and their current dividend yield of about 1.7 percent could increase soon. The yield is now far below its 50-year average, and the most recent tax cut included a reduction in dividend taxes for investors, potentially increasing the incentives for companies to pay them.

Citigroup has increased its dividend to 35 cents a share, from 20 cents. Viacom has said it will pay its first dividend in 16 years.

BUT the more basic — and perhaps creative — solutions to the challenge of investing in a low interest-rate world present much less risk than stocks.

Coletta and Bill Davis of Carlsbad, Calif., did not come to the strategy by choice, but they have been converted. They entered retirement with a bulging stock portfolio, then watched as their life savings deflated in the last three years. "We lost so much principal when the stock market went down," said Mrs. Davis, 66, who had been a vice president at a large bank, "that the thought of spending even a penny more of it just panicked me."

But they decided that they had no alternative — and have set aside some of the money for living expenses while putting most of it in long-term investments. By going to fewer movies and restaurants and canceling some trips they had imagined, the Davises estimate that they spend about $300 less each month than they had expected. A money market fund with a typical yield would need to have a balance of $350,000 before it could produce that much income a month — and that income would be taxed.

Investors can also create their own returns by moving money out of high-cost mutual funds. The average annual expense for a domestic stock fund is 1.49 percent, while the average cost of an index fund is 0.78 percent, according to Morningstar Inc. In other words, the difference between the two is a good bit larger than the yield on a typical money market fund.

For people with outstanding credit card debt, the opportunity is even better. "If somebody is making 1 percent on a money market fund and paying 18 percent on a credit card, there's a spectacular investment to be made by paying off the credit card," said Andrew Tobias, author of "The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need" (Harcourt, 2002).

Where else are spectacular investments available these days? 


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"CAST CHANGE ON "BIG BROTHER 4"
"The producers of BIG BROTHER 4 have made a casting change to the
previously announced group of HouseGuests, increasing the "X Factor"
from four couples to five couples. Brandon Showalter has been
replaced with a fifth ex who will be revealed along with the
remaining four HouseGuests in the premiere episode on Tuesday, July
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Calloway to Buy Top Flite
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Callaway Golf plans to acquire the Top Flite Golf Co., one of the
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#605 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:47 pm
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I'm starting to feel like the market could be bottoming out.  I'm sure we're in
for a period of low or lower oil prices, a lot of the unrealistically priced
companies have been taken down a few notches, and interest rates haven't risen
as much as I feared.  The only concern I have is that I'm not sure what is
actually going to kick start things.  If not we might just muddle through as we
have been.

At 8:41 AM -0400 4/14/03, Lanny L. Vrooman wrote:
> Attached are the Valuation and Members Status reports along with the March
Waterhouse statement.  Please look them over and let me know if you see any
problems.
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>Lanny
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>Attachment converted: Titan HD:03val.htm (TEXT/MSIE) (001CE84E)
>Attachment converted: Titan HD:03mem.htm (TEXT/MSIE) (001CE84F)
>Attachment converted: Titan HD:03-31-03.htm (TEXT/MSIE) (001CE850)

#604 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:44 pm
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Looks like they get you either way!

I agree with your suggestion to say "NO".  A charge of $40 for the transaction is worse than what we would pay doing it ourselves.


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   Below and attached is some info on Transocean.  Just wanted to get an opinion on what everyone wants to do.  We don't have enough money to buy the 100 shares but do we want to consider selling.  It still looks as if we would still encounter a fee.  I would vote to just say NO. 

Lanny

IMPORTANT INFORMATION PERTAINING TO ONE OF YOUR SECURITIES
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Dear Customer:

This is information regarding AN ODD-LOT PROGRAM
for TRANSOCEAN SEDCO FOREX INC.
The offer is made by TRANSOCEAN SEDCO FOREX INC. The offer expires on 04/07/2003 05:00 PM ET You must reply by : 04/03/2003 11:59 PM ET Your position in the above security is currently being held in your account at our firm and is the subject of a corporate reorganization. The terms and conditions of this offer are outlined in the offer material (click here to see the offer material). Should you wish to participate in the offer, we will forward your instructions. In order to submit instructions electronically we must receive your instructions by 11:59 PM Eastern Time on the reply date specified. Any instructions submitted after the reply date must be received by us via mail or telephone and will be processed on a "best efforts" basis. Additional shares purchased or received following receipt of this notice will require separate instructions to be submitted. You are responsible for canceling any open sell orders and verifying any option positions pertaining to this security. We will not be held liable for any short positions resulting from acting on your instructions. Please be advised that we cannot act in absence of instructions, and will not be held liable for any instructions that are received after the reply date. The reply date is prior to the expiration of the offer in order to properly fulfill your instructions. Please note most offers can be amended, terminated, or extended without further notice to shareholders. This is permitted because in most cases only a public announcement of the change is required. Therefore, it is advisable to review authoritative financial publications to stay informed of any changes. Should additional material with regard to the offer be provided to us on a timely basis, we will mail this information to you whenever possible. However, if we do not receive any additional material or insufficient material is provided to us, you may not receive notification from us regarding an important change to the terms or conditions of this offer. Any information given to us, either verbally or in writing, is intended as a guide and is not to be used as the basis for any decision regarding this offer. You are responsible for full compliance with the terms of this offer. In the event of a discrepancy between these terms and the offer material, the offer material will prevail. FOR INFORMATION CALL: (800)934-5790

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PLEASE SPECIFY YES OR NO AS TO YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE OFFER ON THIS REPLY FORM. IF YOU WISH TO RESPOND BY PHONE, PLEASE CALL THE NUMBER INDICATED. INSTRUCTIONS MUST BE RECEIVED BY US NO LATER THAN TWO BUSINESS DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE OFFER. AT THE COMPLETION OF A REORGANIZATION OFFER, WE WILL APPLY A $25 FEE TO COVER ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES. You may now modify your Current Position for this offer. Current Position: 30.13874944b9.jpg

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#603 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: Investment Club Advice?
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Hello Tucker,

I'm passing your note on to the club discussion group since I think it's an interesting and appropriate question applicable to us also.  Please watch for any discussions here that might be helpful to you and feel free to respond as appropriate.

I don't have a specific answer, but our bylaws etc were organized in accordance with NAIC (long before I became involved) so their policies and templates might be a good starting point for you.

                                      - Paul


At 12:26 PM -0800 2/11/03, Tucker Gilman wrote:
Dear G.O.L.D moderator,
I am the president of a rather new and geographically dispersed investment club.  We recently published our web site at www.geocities.com/rainfrog_japan.
A friend just pointed out that our web site might be construed as an offer to invest made to an unlimited number of people.  In some states (Texas for example) an offer to invest made to more than a definite number of people is regulated by the securities and exchange commission.  We are organized in Minnesota, so we are okay under state law.  However, I am now concerned about federal securities regulations.
G.O.L.D. has a long history as an Internet-based investment club.  Is there someone at G.O.L.D. who might be able to offer some advice on how Internet-based clubs can comply with securities and exchange regulations?
Tucker Gilman
president, RainFrog Ethical Investment Partnership


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#602 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Sun Dec 1, 2002 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: interested new member
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Hello Karen,

Thanks for writing!  I think the best way to describe the members is a group of individuals with a long term outlook whose primary goal is to learn more about investing and stock research, and whose secondary goal is to make money in the process.

We invest into the club fund each month (the amount is determined by each member).  From time to time we discuss ideas of companies that would make good investments, and as cash reserves build up, we take votes on whether (and at what price) to make those investments.  About 2/3 of our discussions tend to be in the group which is a convenient way to discuss things (and allows interested observers to watch and participate).  Other discussions, and much of the club specific business is done in private e-mail just between the members.

Please feel free to look over our past discussions and participate on in discussions as they occur.  A copy of the club bylaws are in the "files" section or one of the members can send you a copy.  If you are interested in joining as an investor let the group know and then the club would vote on your membership in accordance with the bylaws.

                                         - Paul


Also, if you are interested in joining the investment club
At 7:45 PM -0500 11/30/02, Brian Brittain wrote:
Hello:
 
I am an interested new member, who is a NAIC member and looking for a productive club membership.  I currently live in New York state outside watertown and am having difficulty finding any naic groups locally, so I hit the web in search.  Your group sounds very interesting as I am very active in investing and am looking for a good group of intelligent people.  Please let me know what your format is and if you are seeking any potential new members.
 
Sincerely,
 
Karen Brittain


#601 From: "Jack Squat" <N2k@...>
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 2:11 pm
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volume surge last couple of days

#600 From: "Lolly" <storybookgroup@...>
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I have also switched ISP's and my new email addy is:

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#599 From: "Thomas Roy Garner" <trgarner@...>
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Greetings everyone,

I have switched ISP's and my new e-mail address is trgarner@...

Thanks!

#598 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:17 pm
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Atropower has been cut by several analysts after missing their earnings targets.
The stock is getting clobbered these last few days.  Ouch!

#597 From: "Thomas Roy Garner" <trgarne@...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:15 am
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Greetings,

I'll be needing to take a couple month break from submitting funds to the group,
I'll be
starting back up 1 Jan 2003.  If this is a problem pls reply and I'll make the
necessisary
adjustments.

Thanks and have a great holiday.

#596 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: IBM
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Hi All,

Sorry I forgot to post a link to the article about IBM:

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43387-2002Oct30.html>

                 - Paul


At 8:33 AM -0500 10/31/02, Paul Hess wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>As a techie, I'm very impressed with IBM's new CEO and their new direction
toward "grid computing".  I think they're onto what will be a long term trend in
the industry.  I don't have any feel or opinion on whether the stock is a good
value right now compared to the company, but if anyone has thoughts on IBM as a
company (or time to do some web research) I'd love to hear your opinions!
>
>                                          - Paul

#595 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:33 pm
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Hi All,

As a techie, I'm very impressed with IBM's new CEO and their new direction
toward "grid computing".  I think they're onto what will be a long term trend in
the industry.  I don't have any feel or opinion on whether the stock is a good
value right now compared to the company, but if anyone has thoughts on IBM as a
company (or time to do some web research) I'd love to hear your opinions!

                                           - Paul

#594 From: Paul Hess <hess@...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:09 pm
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Press Release     Source: AstroPower, Inc.

AstroPower Named by Forbes as One of the 200 Best Small Companies
Thursday October 17, 1:33 pm ET

Company Receives Ranking on Publication's Prestigious 200 Best Small Companies List


NEWARK, Del.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 17, 2002--AstroPower, Inc. (NASDAQ:APWR - News) announced today that it has been named one of the 200 best small companies by Forbes.

Ranked 19 in terms of annual sales growth and 147 overall, AstroPower is being featured among 200 companies in the technology, retail and apparel, food and restaurants, and healthcare sectors in the October 28, 2002 issue of Forbes Magazine.

The Forbes 200 Best Small Companies list surveys public companies based on factors such as sales, market value, and profits as well as relative stock price strength.

Only companies with 12-month sales of $5 million to $600 million; a stock price above $5.00 per share; a five-year average return on equity of at least five percent; and a net margin of at least five percent, excluding extraordinary and nonrecurring items, are reviewed.

"This recognition is a tribute to AstroPower and its foundation," said Dr. Allen Barnett, President and CEO of AstroPower. "AstroPower is committed to meeting the needs of all of our customers, and we are dedicated to increasing the quality of life of those residing off the utility grid in rural countries as well as mainstream U.S. consumers. We are honored to be considered one of the best 200 small companies."

About AstroPower

Headquartered in Newark, Delaware, AstroPower is the world's largest independent manufacturer of solar electric power products, and one of the world's fastest-growing solar electric power companies.

AstroPower develops, manufactures, markets and sells a range of solar electric power generation products, including solar cells, modules, and panels as well as its SunChoice(TM) pre-packaged systems for the global marketplace. Solar electric power systems provide a clean, renewable source of electricity in both off-grid and on-grid applications. For more information, please visit
www.astropower.com.

This press release contains forward-looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, as described in the Company's registration statements and periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. As a result, there can be no assurance that the Company's future results will not be materially different from those projected. The projections contained herein speak only of the Company's expectations as of the date of this press release. The Company hereby expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any such statements to reflect any change in the Company's expectations or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which such statement is based.

#593 From: "Thomas Roy Garner" <trgarne@...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 4:56 am
Subject: RE: APWR ballot
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On 15 Sep 2002 at 21:22, Michael Keller wrote:

> Nope, got yours, Lanny forwarded it to me. No big deal.
>

That is good, was going to panic for a few.. :)  Have a good night...

#592 From: "Michael Keller" <m.w.keller@...>
Date: Mon Sep 16, 2002 1:22 am
Subject: RE: APWR ballot
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Nope, got yours, Lanny forwarded it to me. No big deal.



|-----Original Message-----
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|I hope that I was the last individual, if I was, I aplogize, for I
|thought I sent it out, I'm FOR
|the motion.
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#591 From: "Thomas Roy Garner" <trgarne@...>
Date: Sun Sep 15, 2002 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: APWR ballot
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On 15 Sep 2002 at 18:42, Michael Keller wrote:

> I don't want to disenfranchise anyone, but there's only one vote waiting to
> come in and it can't change the results, so I'll go ahead and announce that,
> with five votes in, the motion to purchase $1,000 worth of shares in APWR at
> or below $7.50 passed unanimously.
>
> Mike Keller

I hope that I was the last individual, if I was, I aplogize, for I thought I
sent it out, I'm FOR
the motion.

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