Just like to add my two cents worth, I started in 56, retired in 86. I
cannot remember how many managers talked about the free medical for
life, and to not pay any attention to the disclaimers in the books as
that would never happen. I know it was not in writing, we did not know
then everything had to be in writing. As for COLA's, they were never
promised, just implied. I can remember speakers from high places in
IBM making fun of the shoe company in Endicott because their retires
had never had a COLA, implying IBM would never treat their retirees
that way. Again as you say it was not in writing. So much for the
history lesson, now we just have to do the best that we can, and move
on.
Just like to add my two cents worth, I started in 56, retired in 86. I cannot remember how many managers talked about the free medical for life, and to not pay...
... A couple more pennies---As a first line manager in the 80's I was told in multiple management classes that when discussing salary increases with employees...
... I second the fact that the materials that IBM provided as good boilerplate for staff meetings etc for IBM mgrs. was full of the inference that it was for...
How do you do that in hindsite? Ya see we all did it wrong.... we shoulda worked for the gov... then we'd be rich... JM2C ... planning for the future that...
Funny you should mention that. I had my application in for a government job which I applied before I decided to apply at IBM. After a few months, IBM offered...
Having or not having those papers is meaningless, unless you need them to help it sink in that IBM did indeed break their promises to you. When I came forward...
... we ... As good a place as any for this comment, I guess. I was never promised "free medical for life" that I recall. But it seems pretty clear that many...
... You said it all, and all so well. I worked for IBM for 35 years and I never had anyone promise me lifetime medical care for me and mine. Joe in Fort...
I believe, at issue, is that many were told that. Heck, as a manager I brought it up at almost every Employee Morale Survey review as directed by my manager. I...
I took an early retirement bridge in mid 1992, and unfortuately did not receive the free medical, as I missed it by 6 months. So I pay a portion of the...
Don Smith
dsmith@...
Sep 22, 2008 11:28 am
"Of course, with hind-sight, if I had known that IBM was going to renege on what they had stated IN WRITING, I would have stuck around a little longer (or...
What $500 a year less? When I went on Medicare, the price for the same insurance plan jumped up, even though IBM as only on the hook for 20%. When my wife went...
Not to put words in Hank's mouth, but I think the $500 he referred to is the additional health care cost IBM pays (on average) for pre-'92 retirees. ... same ...
So true I can remember a motivational speaker in the late sixties saying that unlike other companies we would never have to worry about paying for medical in...
I remember these promises, too. I remember being promised company-paid lifetime medical care for me and my surviving spouse. The argument (as others have...
... primarily concerned with remaining competitive in a tough global economic environment, but rather in being poorly informed about the risks we were taking...
Oh, I forgot one important fact ... YOUR Congress enacted ERISA which the court specifically referenced in its decision. "ERISA's vesting requirements do not...
ERISA was enacted in 1974. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERISA and has been amended several times. It was originally had its roots back in 1961. After...
Unfortunately, you did not understand with whom you had an employement contract,,,, There is a big difference between some manager talking about how good it is...
... I ... know ... All you need to remember is " never written , never said". Times continue to change for better or worse. So make sure you get it in writting...
In your last paragraph,,, you really summed up how the pension increases have occurred since your retirement,,, one in about 1999 and one in 2008, that I am...
... increases have occurred since your retirement,,, one in about 1999 and one in 2008, that I am aware of. COLA's are regularly scheduled funded events, not...
Y'all are doing the old 'assume' game,,, you are falling prey to your hopes rather than FACTS,,,, My very first manager in IBM told me after my first blunder...
Or switch to any one of several Eastern religions, such as Hinduism, Taoism, or Buddhism,,, and you could reincarnate yourself in a happier life. ... From: The...
That's fantastic,,,, do you even remember the speakers name???? I can remember MANY 'Motivational Speakers' that IBM used, including one in particular,,, the...
I think his name was LEGION ... From: Just Puttin' <JustPutt2@...> Subject: Re: [IBM Retiree] medical and COLA's To: ibmretiree@yahoogroups.com Date:...
By golly, your are so right! I remember him well. Another speaker's name was Integrity. But he must be long gone from IBM by now. ... name???? ... one in...
You can thank him by learning by heart what he told you and using it in a positive way in life!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: retired_in_89 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To:...