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Just like to add my two cents worth, I started in 56, retired in 86. I
cannot remember how many managers talked about the free medical for
life, and to not pay any attention to the disclaimers in the books as
that would never happen. I know it was not in writing, we did not know
then everything had to be in writing. As for COLA's, they were never
promised, just implied. I can remember speakers from high places in
IBM making fun of the shoe company in Endicott because their retires
had never had a COLA, implying IBM would never treat their retirees
that way. Again as you say it was not in writing. So much for the
history lesson, now we just have to do the best that we can, and move
on.




Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:38 pm

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Just like to add my two cents worth, I started in 56, retired in 86. I cannot remember how many managers talked about the free medical for life, and to not pay...
thomas365us Offline Sep 19, 2008
9:38 pm

... A couple more pennies---As a first line manager in the 80's I was told in multiple management classes that when discussing salary increases with employees...
ibmshaftee Offline Sep 19, 2008
11:53 pm

... I second the fact that the materials that IBM provided as good boilerplate for staff meetings etc for IBM mgrs. was full of the inference that it was for...
Bob Sutton
bobsutton203 Offline Send Email
Sep 20, 2008
2:03 am

How do you do that in hindsite? Ya see we all did it wrong.... we shoulda worked for the gov... then we'd be rich... JM2C ... planning for the future that...
The Snodgrass Family
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Sep 20, 2008
2:07 am

Funny you should mention that. I had my application in for a government job which I applied before I decided to apply at IBM. After a few months, IBM offered...
Bob
bobc4012 Offline Send Email
Sep 21, 2008
5:39 am

Having or not having those papers is meaningless, unless you need them to help it sink in that IBM did indeed break their promises to you. When I came forward...
justa_bean_counter
justa_bean_c... Offline
Sep 22, 2008
11:28 am

... we ... As good a place as any for this comment, I guess. I was never promised "free medical for life" that I recall. But it seems pretty clear that many...
David Lee
daveleenc Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
12:34 pm

... You said it all, and all so well. I worked for IBM for 35 years and I never had anyone promise me lifetime medical care for me and mine. Joe in Fort...
ramacjoe Offline Send Email Sep 22, 2008
2:19 pm

I believe, at issue, is that many were told that. Heck, as a manager I brought it up at almost every Employee Morale Survey review as directed by my manager. I...
ibmretiree2006 Offline Sep 25, 2008
2:56 am

I took an early retirement bridge in mid 1992, and unfortuately did not receive the free medical, as I missed it by 6 months. So I pay a portion of the...
Don Smith
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Sep 22, 2008
11:28 am

"Of course, with hind-sight, if I had known that IBM was going to renege on what they had stated IN WRITING, I would have stuck around a little longer (or...
hankharty Offline Sep 22, 2008
11:28 am

What $500 a year less? When I went on Medicare, the price for the same insurance plan jumped up, even though IBM as only on the hook for 20%. When my wife went...
Bob
bobc4012 Offline Send Email
Sep 23, 2008
5:47 am

Not to put words in Hank's mouth, but I think the $500 he referred to is the additional health care cost IBM pays (on average) for pre-'92 retirees. ... same ...
chz_whiz Offline Sep 23, 2008
6:55 pm

So true I can remember a motivational speaker in the late sixties saying that unlike other companies we would never have to worry about paying for medical in...
Paly
pal409 Offline Send Email
Sep 20, 2008
5:28 am

I remember these promises, too. I remember being promised company-paid lifetime medical care for me and my surviving spouse. The argument (as others have...
Andy Hopper
ahopper Offline Send Email
Sep 21, 2008
2:06 pm

... primarily concerned with remaining competitive in a tough global economic environment, but rather in being poorly informed about the risks we were taking...
alwaysontheroad4bigblue
alwaysonther... Offline
Sep 21, 2008
10:34 pm

Oh, I forgot one important fact ... YOUR Congress enacted ERISA which the court specifically referenced in its decision. "ERISA's vesting requirements do not...
Andy Hopper
ahopper Offline Send Email
Sep 21, 2008
3:52 pm

ERISA was enacted in 1974. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERISA and has been amended several times. It was originally had its roots back in 1961. After...
Bob
bobc4012 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
6:22 am

Unfortunately, you did not understand with whom you had an employement contract,,,, There is a big difference between some manager talking about how good it is...
Just Puttin'
justputt2 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
11:23 am

... I ... know ... All you need to remember is " never written , never said". Times continue to change for better or worse. So make sure you get it in writting...
lastdino1 Offline Send Email Sep 22, 2008
11:23 am

... This somewhat obvious and very belated advice was just what I needed to make me feel better. How can I thank you?...
retired_in_89 Offline Sep 22, 2008
7:44 pm

In your last paragraph,,, you really summed up how the pension increases have occurred since your retirement,,, one in about 1999 and one in 2008, that I am...
Just Puttin'
justputt2 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
11:23 am

... increases have occurred since your retirement,,, one in about 1999 and one in 2008, that I am aware of. COLA's are regularly scheduled funded events, not...
retired_in_89 Offline Sep 22, 2008
7:51 pm

Y'all are doing the old 'assume' game,,, you are falling prey to your hopes rather than FACTS,,,, My very first manager in IBM told me after my first blunder...
Just Puttin'
justputt2 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
11:24 am

Or switch to any one of several Eastern religions, such as Hinduism, Taoism, or Buddhism,,, and you could reincarnate yourself in a happier life. ... From: The...
Just Puttin'
justputt2 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
11:24 am

That's fantastic,,,, do you even remember the speakers name???? I can remember MANY 'Motivational Speakers' that IBM used, including one in particular,,, the...
Just Puttin'
justputt2 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
11:25 am

I think his name was LEGION ... From: Just Puttin' <JustPutt2@...> Subject: Re: [IBM Retiree] medical and COLA's To: ibmretiree@yahoogroups.com Date:...
Paly
pal409 Offline Send Email
Sep 22, 2008
8:58 pm

By golly, your are so right! I remember him well. Another speaker's name was Integrity. But he must be long gone from IBM by now. ... name???? ... one in...
retired_in_89 Offline Sep 22, 2008
9:53 pm

You can thank him by learning by heart what he told you and using it in a positive way in life!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: retired_in_89 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To:...
Just Puttin'
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Sep 23, 2008
1:53 am
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