Thanks thats me . Of course being retired from ibm means working full time at
age 63

ip_dale <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Actually, a first choicer is one who was retired or within 5-years of
retirement eligibility on July 1, 1999.

--- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, chz_whiz <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
> Fortunate. Very fortunate.
>
>
>
> --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, Paly <pal409@> wrote:
> >
> > OK I'll bite, what s a "first choicer"?
> >
> > ignatz713 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> wrote: --- In
> ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" <bobc4012@> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > SouthernYankee stated the case about the old IBM, yes he did.
> Quite
> > well indeed.
> >
> > Then Southern Yankee said:
> >
> > 'At IBM, there will never be a cut back on quality or
> dependability'
> >
> > 'The company treats its employees with respect'
> >
> > SouthernYankee is living in the past. Period. No problem. Good
for
> > him.
> >
> > Obviously too that he is a First Choicer when it comes to
pension
> and
> > retiree medical. Good for him.
> >
> > And obviously he moved out of New York. Good for him again.
> >
> > >
> > > I thought SouthernYankee stated the case quite well. The only
> > > point on which I might quibble to a degree is the "degree of
> > > respect shown to the individual". IBM can be very subtle and,
> > > at times quite blunt, in the way it shows "respect for the
> > > individual". Also, it isn't always the fault of top level
> > > management, as lower and middle management apply their own
> > > spin to the decisions being made. Of course, top level
> > > management should always ensure but doesn't) the appropriate
> > > controls are in place to quickly
address "misinterpretations".
> > >
> >
> > >Also, it isn't always the fault of top level
> > > management, as lower and middle management apply their own
> > > spin to the decisions being made
> >
> > You're joking, right? Are you still working? Are you familiar
with
> > first level management?
> >
> > > Nobody was ever guaranteed a job in this world. To expect that
> > > guarantee is ludicrous. Granted, workers have a right in this
> > > country to organize and negotiate a better "business deal" with
> > > the company with which they are currently employed, but there
> > > is no guarantee that be given a job IF there is no legally
> > > binding contract stating such. If that contract demand will
> > > not be met, then you either have the option of applying
> > > elsewhere for a job or go on strike (if recognized as a
union).
> > >
> > > What concerns me more is what he stated in his post on "Thu
> > > Sep 27, 2007 8:48 am" about IBM eventually pulling out of the
> > > US like so many companies have done. I know GM has just signed
> > > a contract guaranteeing they won't leave, but a few more losing
> > > quarters and then a declaration of bankruptcy and they will
> > > be gone.
> > >
> > > Don't expect government to solve the problem either. What you
> > > would end up with is a communist dictatorship. Socialism has
> > > an extremely high cost as Europe has been finding out. Where
> > > there used to be job guarantees and other guarantees, some
> > > countries are now backing off. While Republicans tend to favor
> > > tax breaks for business, Democrats will tax business to death
> > > (except for the earmarks to the businesses in their own
> > > congressional districts or states). So don't expect real help
> > > from either party.
> > >
> >
> > Absolutely not. It's all on us to monitor and control. Good luck
> to
> > us all.
> >
> > > One difference between many of the Europeans and the
Americans,
> > > is that Europeans will still try to buy products made in their
> > > own country (or least Europe), whereas Americans will buy that
> > > cheap crap made in China. My wife and I always check for the
> > > place of manufacture and buy "Made in America", even if it
> > > costs a few dollars more, otherwise we won't buy it (exception
> > > is that rare instance when we have no other choice and
> > > absolutely need it).
> >
> > And you FIND stuff 'made in America'? Wow. I have been trying to
> do
> > that for years and years, and with very few exceptions, find it
> > impossible.
> >
> > And its just not Wal-Mart (a favorite
> > > whipping boy of the Socialists in this country), but every
> > > store. We were in Linens and Things the other day to get some
> > > towels. All the "Made in America" brands were being fazed out
> > > and replaced with "Made in China". We did not buy. I went to
> > > get new tires for my car and was told they were made in Korea.
> > > I checked the tires and found they were made in China, but the
> > > company was a Korean company. Sears, K-Mart, Target,
automotive
> > > parts, grocery stores, ad nauseam, are all selling crap made
or
> > > grown in China. The American suckers keep gobbling the stuff
up.
> > >
> >
> > In addition, even if it says 'made in America' there will be
parts
> > made overseas.
> >
> > We've given this country away.
> >
> > > At some point this country will have to pay up, but I guess
that
> > > as long as the younger generations still can buy there "made in
> > > China" X-boxes and other "Made in China" electronics and sit
> > > around smoking that "funny weed" and sucking down beer they
will
> > > be happy.
> > >
> >
> > Bingo. And use their cell phones. And their ipods. And drive
their
> > SUVs. And get their interest-only mortgages. And ignore the war
> being
> > fought 'over there' so we can be safe 'over here'.
> >
> > Give this country another 10-15 and watch the Second Choicers
> > suddenly say on this list: HEY, what's going on, dude? What the
> heck
> > happened when I wasn't looking?
> >
> > Mark my words.
> >
> > > I apologize for the long ramble, but every now and then I get
> > > set off.
> > >
> >
> > And you're mostly right. Thanks for the thoughts.
> >
> > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, ignatz713 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Interesting article. Looks like SouthernYankee doesn't read
> much.
> > > >
> > > > --- In ibmunion@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Carbone Jr."
> > > > <forthebirds39@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.poughkeepsiejournal.com/viewforum.php?f=97
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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