I wouldn't write off nonfiction for ebooks so quickly, Elliot. It's true that
the Kindle (I haven't looked at other readers) doesn't handle tables and so on
well, but there's plenty of serious nonfiction that is straight prose.


A search of the Kindle store on the word pacifism, for example, yields 27
results; "human rights" yields 801. Of course, this will grow over time.


But it's not a threat to indexers if indexers help spread the word that real
indexes can work in e-books and encourage publishers to create links from the
locators to the appropriate text when they're readying books for the Kindle.


Meg




-----Original Message-----
From: elinzer <elinzer@...>
To: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] E-readers: Sacramento Bee article





         Julie Shawvan asks, "Am I correct in assuming that these devices
are used mostly for reading fiction?'
         Yup.
         Based on the presentation at the NYC ASI conference on ebooks, on
November 13th, and everything that I've seen in print, that seems to be
the case.  The leadoff speaker at the conference, Brian O'Leary, of
Magellan Media Consulting Partners, a consulting firm to the publishing
industry, seemed to lean in that direction.  He couldn't bring his e-book
reader because his wife wouldn't let it out of her hands!  She reads at
the rate of something like 20 books per month, but all novels that are
fast reads.  Almost all the discussion about the actual content that
people read in Kindles and other e-book readers, centers on fiction,
often genre fiction, such as romance novels.
         Textbooks which contain any tables, graphs and illustrations
can't make the transition to e-book yet.  Very little serious nonfiction
seems to be sold in any of the e-book formats.  If I am wrong about that,
please correct me.
         Indexes in ebooks is almost a nonissue so far because of this.
         The only book that I have heard about where the lack of an index
in the e-book edition caused a problem is the most recent Mark Bittman
cookbook.
         Of course, this is subject to change.

Elliot Linzer

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You could try to make the transition to working from the PDF directly (i.e.,
not printing it out). What you'd need to really make that work would be a
second monitor so that the PDF and the indexing program can have their own
screen. The search capability is very handy to have when indexing. Is that
ironic?

Dan

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From: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Norman Duren,
Jr.


Now that we are expected  to work primarily from PDF files, I feel I need to

find some large volume printer to meet my needs.  What about using
commercial printers, such as FedEx Kinko, Office Depot, etc.?

Julie Shawvan asks, "Am I correct in assuming that these devices
are used mostly for reading fiction?'
         Yup.
         Based on the presentation at the NYC ASI conference on ebooks, on
November 13th, and everything that I've seen in print, that seems to be
the case.  The leadoff speaker at the conference, Brian O'Leary, of
Magellan Media Consulting Partners, a consulting firm to the publishing
industry, seemed to lean in that direction.  He couldn't bring his e-book
reader because his wife wouldn't let it out of her hands!  She reads at
the rate of something like 20 books per month, but all novels that are
fast reads.  Almost all the discussion about the actual content that
people read in Kindles and other e-book readers, centers on fiction,
often genre fiction, such as romance novels.
         Textbooks which contain any tables, graphs and illustrations
can't make the transition to e-book yet.  Very little serious nonfiction
seems to be sold in any of the e-book formats.  If I am wrong about that,
please correct me.
         Indexes in ebooks is almost a nonissue so far because of this.
         The only book that I have heard about where the lack of an index
in the e-book edition caused a problem is the most recent Mark Bittman
cookbook.
         Of course, this is subject to change.

Elliot Linzer

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My problem with printers revolve around unsteady hands due to cerebral
palsy.  When I try to print a large document, even a few pages at a time,
the printer  jams.  This present printer is a Samsung ML 1740.  I have had
three or four printers  in as many years, and all have had this issue.

Now that we are expected  to work primarily from PDF files, I feel I need to
find some large volume printer to meet my needs.  What about using
commercial printers, such as FedEx Kinko, Office Depot, etc.?

Norman Duren, Jr.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Rush" <ed@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] printer/scanner recs? MAC ONLY



On 17 Nov 2009, at 12:12 PM, Rae wrote:

> My Brother all in one fax/scan/printer/copier just gave up the ghost.
> I don't really like all in ones but they're cheap enough now that it's
> not that bad. Anyone have one they like? I was never really delighted
> with this one. I have a laser printer so no big deal but I do like
> having a color printer and a copier/scanner.

We recently got an Epson WorkForce 600 and I'm quite happy with it. It
can communicate with the computer via WiFi, which eliminates some of
the wiring mess, lets the device sit in a more convenient location,
and lets us both use it without one of our MacBooks being the printer
server. It's reasonably fast, unlike the HP J4680 we unceremoniously
dumped. Its controls are lit and clear, unlike the HP's LCD display
that required keeping a flashlight nearby.


> And while I'm at it, anyone have any recommendations for a good slide/
> negative scanner that won't break the bank?


I'm definitely interested in that, too. I saw one last week for $100
at Bed, Bath, & Beyond, but it looked rather cheesy to me so I didn't
buy it.

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Julie wonders if e-book readers are used mainly for reading fiction.


No reason why they should be.


I just got a Kindle for my birthday, and I'm loving it. I'm almost finished
reading David Plouffe's book, and next I'm going to read a novel by a friend of
mine's mother that just won an award. After that I think I'll buy the Kindle
version of the second volume of Taylor Branch's civil rights trilogy, which I
already have in my collection but is too hefty to carry around with me to read
whenever I have a moment. And then I'll be starting a new graduate class, and
I'll get Kindle versions of whichever texts I can.


I have not had time for much other-than-work reading in years, and now I'm
reading much more because it's so easy to just pull my Kindle from my purse on
the train, in a waiting room, or when I'm taking a lunch break. It makes me very
happy.


In the new year I'm going to try formatting a family history written by three
aunts of mine for the Kindle. If I don't hate the process, I may begin offering
this as a service. I'm particularly interested in this as a means of
republishing out-of-print books, and I will make the indexes linkable.


We indexers need to enter this conversation and assert that e-books can have
functional, linked indexes and that making them linkable preserves the
publisher's or author's investment in the index and adds value to the e-book.


Meg








-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Shawvan <shawvan@...>
To: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] E-readers: Sacramento Bee article





Am I correct in assuming that these devices are used mostly for reading
fiction?

Julie Shawvan

----- Original Message -----
From: "em_lau_ra" <em_lau_ra@...>

> from my morning paper:
>
> "...market researchers expect electronic readers to attain a break-out
> success this holiday season..."
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/146/story/2341486-p2.html
>
> Laura Anderson
> Invincible Indexing









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Am I correct in assuming that these devices are used mostly for reading
fiction?

Julie Shawvan

----- Original Message -----
From: "em_lau_ra" <em_lau_ra@...>

> from my morning paper:
>
> "...market researchers expect electronic readers to attain a break-out
> success this holiday season..."
>
> http://www.sacbee.com/146/story/2341486-p2.html
>
> Laura Anderson
> Invincible Indexing

from my morning paper:

"...market researchers expect electronic readers to attain a break-out success
this holiday season..."

http://www.sacbee.com/146/story/2341486-p2.html

Laura Anderson
Invincible Indexing
www.invincibleindexing.com
laura@...

I went from 97 to 2007, and it didn't take me a whole lot of time to get up to
speed even with that big of a jump when it comes to Word. The screen layout is
different. Menu options are configured differently, but with the Help option
it's fine.

Excel was a no-brainer, but I have a rather strong spreadsheet background.

I have no need of PowerPoint except for opening others' presentations.

The one program that is very different in a wonderful way is OneNote. There have
been major strides in the functionality, particularly linking. I gave up the
personal wiki idea once I discovered all the upgrades in OneNote 2007. I had
looked at the 2003 version, and found it woefully lacking for what I needed.
It's capabilities in 2007 are fantastic. I can't wait to see what Office 2010
brings with regard to OneNote.

I really think it depends as to how difficult you will find it.

Dawney Spencer
indexlady@...









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Thats exactly what I do, too, Carolyn, immediately go to Tools > Options and
turn off everything when I have installed/reinstalled Office!

Thanks Michelle and Carolyn!

Ken

--- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, "Carolyn Weaver" <cgweaver@...>
wrote:
>
> It was a _long_ learning curve for me (esp. for Word) -- much more difficult
> than the transition from previous versions, because so much had changed.
> I've now figure out the logic of where things are hidden, but still keep a
> copy of _Word 2007 Inside Out_ (which has a good index, btw) sitting on my
> desk for those cases when the help files don't and I just can't figure out
> how to do something like inserting manual page/column breaks.
>
> That said, I'm now pretty comfortable with it and love many of the new
> features (like being able to 'pin' commonly used file so they're always
> accessible on a program's home page).
>
> The upgrade is worth it, but don't make the switch when you're on deadline
> for a 20 page report and _really_ need to know how to format complicated
> tables or turn off all those 'default' features that you detest!
>
> My ultimate MS wish list:  Sell a 'plain vanilla' version of Office with all
> format settings/features turned off, and let _me_ decide what I want to
> activate!  Pretty please!  I'll pay extra, just to avoid the 3 days on
> average it takes to make the program fit my working style!!
>
> Carolyn Weaver
> Weaver Indexing Service
> cgweaver@...
> http://www.weaverindexing.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kennyhassman" <hassmanindexing@...>
> To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:47 PM
> Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] Office (Word , Outlook) 2003 vs. Office
> (Word, Outlook) 2007
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > For those who made the transition to Office 2003 to Office 2007 I am
> > interested in knowing how easy the transition was. I particularly like
> > the interface I've seen in Outlook 2007 as the calendar, tasks, etc.
> > seem to be all in one window vs. having to switch views.
> >
> > How do you like 2007 vs. 2003, which has served me well since 2003.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I can't speak about Outlook since I avoid it like the plague due to its
security issues.  For the four Office apps (Word, Excel, Access, and
Powerpoint) the interfaces are indeed very different and it took me a
couple of months to get used to it; even know I sometimes get 'stuck'
trying to find something.  There are things I like much better (mostly
in Excel) and things I don't like at all (mostly in Word); some of the
rearrangement is very intuitive while other menu options are devilishly
hard to find.  I imagine it will all come down to user preference, like
most things :)

Microsoft does offer an online interactive Help which I found invaluable
-- it displays the old interface, you select your menu option just as
you would have in the old version, then it displays the instructions on
how to find that option in the new interface.

See here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/HA102295841033.aspx

Of course it only works in Internet Explorer (surprise surprise).

Michele

kennyhassman wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> For those who made the transition to Office 2003 to Office 2007 I am
> interested in knowing how easy the transition was. I particularly like
> the interface I've seen in Outlook 2007 as the calendar, tasks, etc.
> seem to be all in one window vs. having to switch views.
>
> How do you like 2007 vs. 2003, which has served me well since 2003.
>
> Ken

--
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thing. I say you're a weedy pigeon and
you can call me Susan if it isn't so.
     -- Lord Melchett
__/--\__/--\__/--\__/--\__/--\__/--\__

It was a _long_ learning curve for me (esp. for Word) -- much more difficult
than the transition from previous versions, because so much had changed.
I've now figure out the logic of where things are hidden, but still keep a
copy of _Word 2007 Inside Out_ (which has a good index, btw) sitting on my
desk for those cases when the help files don't and I just can't figure out
how to do something like inserting manual page/column breaks.

That said, I'm now pretty comfortable with it and love many of the new
features (like being able to 'pin' commonly used file so they're always
accessible on a program's home page).

The upgrade is worth it, but don't make the switch when you're on deadline
for a 20 page report and _really_ need to know how to format complicated
tables or turn off all those 'default' features that you detest!

My ultimate MS wish list:  Sell a 'plain vanilla' version of Office with all
format settings/features turned off, and let _me_ decide what I want to
activate!  Pretty please!  I'll pay extra, just to avoid the 3 days on
average it takes to make the program fit my working style!!

Carolyn Weaver
Weaver Indexing Service
cgweaver@...
http://www.weaverindexing.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "kennyhassman" <hassmanindexing@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] Office (Word , Outlook) 2003 vs. Office
(Word, Outlook) 2007


> Hi All
>
> For those who made the transition to Office 2003 to Office 2007 I am
> interested in knowing how easy the transition was. I particularly like
> the interface I've seen in Outlook 2007 as the calendar, tasks, etc.
> seem to be all in one window vs. having to switch views.
>
> How do you like 2007 vs. 2003, which has served me well since 2003.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

The Golden Turkey article says that some e-books will contain indexes that link
to the relevant text as soon as the technology allows.


The technology is already there (it actually just requires a very simple, if
tedious, application of html--a process that can be expedited with some creative
search-and-replace routines):
http://ebookarchitects.com/otherservices/indexing.php


I'm looking into offering e-book formatting as a service, and if I do, the books
with indexes that I work on will have such hyperlinks.


Meg



-----Original Message-----
From: Carol <indexer@...>
To: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 22, 2009 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Going Rogue indexing flap - unintended
consequence, for me






On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Paula Presley wrote:

> This is most embarrassing

Paula, dear, one way to avoid such embarrassment is to not tell us! ;-)

Cheers,
Carol Roberts
http://www.RobertsIndexing.com
http://www.ArtWanted.com/CarolR

If you are in the habit of using group mailings to distribute jokes,
political messages, virus alerts, and the like, please take a moment
right now to remove me from your group. I don't care to receive that
kind of mail, and it's an invasion of my privacy to distribute my
address to strangers (to me) without my permission. Sorry to sound so
militant, but my wishes have not been respected much. Repeat
offenders will have their own addresses submitted to porn sites. ;-)

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On Nov 22, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Paula Presley wrote:

> This is most embarrassing

Paula, dear, one way to avoid such embarrassment is to not tell us! ;-)

Cheers,
Carol Roberts
http://www.RobertsIndexing.com
http://www.ArtWanted.com/CarolR

If you are in the habit of using group mailings to distribute jokes,
political messages, virus alerts, and the like, please take a moment
right now to remove me from your group. I don't care to receive that
kind of mail, and it's an invasion of my privacy to distribute my
address to strangers (to me) without my permission. Sorry to sound so
militant, but my wishes have not been respected much. Repeat
offenders will have their own addresses submitted to porn sites. ;-)



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The counterexample that proves the rule -- the Law of Unintended
Consequences says that they are usually unwanted (and undesired).

Joel

At 11/22/2009 01:50 PM, Paula Presley wrote:
>Thank you, *Going Rouge" for the indexing flap.
>
>It was mystifying to me how others on the list knew of the PR piece from ASI
>about the lack of an  index in this book.
>
>I went to ASIndexing.org and tried to look in the members-only section. *I
>wasn't there!!*
>*
>*
>To my dismay I learned that I never sent renewal for 2009.
>... So, now my membership is paid up through December 2010.
>
>Thank you, *Going Rogue* indexing flap. Otherwise when would I have
>discovered my membership had lapsed?

Thank you, *Going Rouge" for the indexing flap.

It was mystifying to me how others on the list knew of the PR piece from ASI
about the lack of an  index in this book.

I went to ASIndexing.org and tried to look in the members-only section. *I
wasn't there!!*
*
*
To my dismay I learned that I never sent renewal for 2009. Not believing
that could be true, I looked through bank statements and other documents,
including date book, and found no evidence of renewing.

Aha! There was a lot going on in my life -- family stuff and the like -- at
renewal time and I had never sent it in.

This is most embarrassing because I've really promoted ASI and its website
-- to authors, publishers, friends, anybody interested in indexing. I'm
proud to say that I've been a member since the mid-1980s (I seem to
recall).

So, now my membership is paid up through December 2010.

Thank you, *Going Rogue* indexing flap. Otherwise when would I have
discovered my membership had lapsed?


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Thank you Tom for help. This technique improved quality of searchable pdf
content.
It is working. Thanks once again.

Best regards,
Chandan Kumar Singh





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From: Tom Brown <jojfrost@...>
To: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 20 November, 2009 11:02:18 PM
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Locating previous edition index terms in
new edition book

> I also tried to make scanned copy searchable using Finereader. But its
> quality is not good enough.

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Chandan, have you tried resizing the scanned image? I have used ABBY
FineReader (version 8) with screen captures and, after resizing them to
300 dpi, have converted them successfully.

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Open to indexers and students interested in discussing indexing. We will be
meeting for an informal brunch:
Sunday November 22,2009
11:30
Tower Cafe
Sacramento, CA

Laura Anderson
Invincible Indexing
www.invincibleindexing.com
laura@...

This is very far off topic, but I've done a lot of searching, and I cannot
find the answer to my question.

I recently switched from Outlook Express--whatever was available in 2003--to
Outlook 2007. I do an occasional online newsletter, and in Outlook Express I
set up "groups"--that is the term used OE, vintage 2003. If I want to know
who is in one of those groups, in OE 2003, I simply click on the group, and
the list of members appears. If I want to edit a member--e.g., change an
address or other info--I simply click on the member, and an edit form comes
up.

In Outlook 2007, the groups are called "distribution lists." I can figure
out how to create a group, or how to add members.

I cannot figure out how to see a list of members or edit a member. The
single e-mail addresses I can reach through the Contacts list, but the
Contacts list will not let me look at or modify a group (distribution list).

Can anybody help with this issue? The online newsletter is one I use to
update healthcare professionals working with developmentally disabled
clients. It is basically a reading list of new items from major medical
journals. This is a volunteer project--something I do as a tribute to my
brother. These comments are basically an apology for bothering this list
with this question--but also a way of saying that I don't think you mind
helping out with a project of this nature.

Thanks much in advance.

~Judi

On Nov 19, 2009, at 6:45 PM, James Lamb wrote:

> Maternity/Paternity is
> associated with the time immediately after the
> birth of the child whereas Mother/Father is a
> continual state.

Agreed, and therein lies the problem. Because there's a difference btn
mothers/motherhood and maternal/maternity entries. So I ended up with

mothers/motherhood
fathers/fatherhood
parents
family issues
maternal entries (several), with xrefs
paternal entries, ditto
xrefs all over the place from/to each other

I also have female and male entries that complicate the whole thing,
too. Is it Talk Like a Pirate Day yet? Arrrrrrrh

Kind of clumsy but so far I don't see any other reasonable options
that cover all the various meanings and differences.

Rae
___________________________
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Freelance indexing and editing
http://www.rachelrice.com
YM: sevencatday
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> I also tried to make scanned copy searchable using Finereader. But its
> quality is not good enough.

* * * * * * * * * * Reply Separator * * * * * * * * * *

Chandan, have you tried resizing the scanned image? I have used ABBY
FineReader (version 8) with screen captures and, after resizing them to
300 dpi, have converted them successfully.

--
Best regards,
____
/om    jojfrost@...

> I am working on locator searching project. It is an 147 page index of book
on
> pediatric diagnostic tests. I have to update page references of previous
edition
> index terms from revised edition. I have access to scanned copy of
previous edition
> book.
>
> Procedure followed
> 1. checking location of terms in previous edition (scanned copy) in case
of multiple
> search instances.
> 2. searching same term in new pdf.
>
> I also tried to make scanned copy searchable using Finereader. But its
quality is
> not good enough.
>
> It is taking lot of time.
>
> Could you please suggest me another methods to quickly process this job?
>

For the task as you've described it, that's the best you can do.

If you had a really crisp scanned copy, you could send it to Indexing
Research or Leverage Technologies and have it converted to a file your
indexing software can read. import it, sort it in page order, then compare
page by page to the new version. If changes are minor and merely a matter of
shifting a few lines one way or another, that's doable, but if the new
edition is a major rework you are pretty much stuck doing what you are
doing. And even that won't get you synonyms and implied concepts that don't
actually appear in the text.

I hope you are charging handsomely to cover the costs of the therapy you
will need when you are done. It's going to drive you crazy.

Dear fellow members,

I am working on locator searching project. It is an 147 page index of book on
pediatric diagnostic tests. I have to update page references of previous edition
index terms from revised edition. I have access to scanned copy of previous
edition book.

Procedure followed
1. checking location of terms in previous edition (scanned copy) in case of
multiple search instances.
2. searching same term in new pdf.

I also tried to make scanned copy searchable using Finereader. But its quality
is not good enough.

It is taking lot of time.

Could you please suggest me another methods to quickly process this job?

Thanks in advances,

Best regards,
Chandan

I did an HR book a while ago and there was a
worthwhile distinction. Maternity/Paternity is
associated with the time immediately after the
birth of the child whereas Mother/Father is a
continual state. So, maternity & paternity
benefits are not automatically related to mothers
and fathers - maternity leave can be transferred
to the other spouse in some places, whereas
paternity leave can't. Mothers and fathers only
really came up with child-care provision and
allowing them time-off for emergency phone calls from schools.

James


At 16:00 19/11/2009, Rae wrote:

>I'm working on a maternity book full of mother, maternal and fathers,
>paternal. I see no reason for separating but can't think of the best
>way to combine/xref. This is my 5th book in a row of more than 800
>pages and no day off since I think maybe May (not complaining!!!!!
>just tired). I might have more questions with obvious answers before
>this one is done.
>
>Does this seem reasonable/logical, or does anyone have a better
>suggestion?
>
>Main entries:
>
>mothers/maternity
>fathers/paternity
>
>maternital factors (or issues?). See mothers/maternity
>paternal factors (or issues?). See fathers/paternity
>
>But I will still have stuff like maternal heart rate, maternity
>clothers, etc. which is why I think I'm not feeling too comfortable
>with this plan. It doesn't look right but I can't come up with
>anything else.
>
>Thanks in advance. Massages welcome.
>Rae
>___________________________
>Rachel Rice, MA
>Freelance indexing and editing
><http://www.rachelrice.com>http://www.rachelrice.com
>YM: sevencatday
>text msgs: <mailto:racric%40textfree.us>racric@...
>
>

--
James Lamb

Hello! If you have worked on indexing a catalogue, I would
appreciate some advice on what to charge and what kind
of time frame it might take. Please email me off-list
and I can give you more details.

Thank you!
Linnea Dwyer
Linnaeus Indexing Services

I don't see problems with what Rae is hypothesizing.  At, for
example, "maternal ..." will appear all the noun phrases that begin
with that word (e.g., "maternal clothes"), plus the crossref:

       maternality see mothers/maternity  [ Rae's "maternital" must go.  :-) ]

The following is less high-falutin', but will not sort quite as close:

       maternity see mothers/maternity

Don't forget "paternal clothes" -- things the male parent puts on
when he's having a sympathetic pregnancy.

Joel


At 11/19/2009 11:00 AM, Rae wrote:
>I'm working on a maternity book full of mother, maternal and fathers,
>paternal. I see no reason for separating but can't think of the best
>way to combine/xref. This is my 5th book in a row of more than 800
>pages and no day off since I think maybe May (not complaining!!!!!
>just tired). I might have more questions with obvious answers before
>this one is done.
>
>Does this seem reasonable/logical, or does anyone have a better
>suggestion?
>
>Main entries:
>
>mothers/maternity
>fathers/paternity
>
>maternital factors (or issues?). See mothers/maternity
>paternal factors (or issues?). See fathers/paternity
>
>But I will still have stuff like maternal heart rate, maternity
>clothers, etc. which is why I think I'm not feeling too comfortable
>with this plan. It doesn't look right but I can't come up with
>anything else.
>
>Thanks in advance. Massages welcome.
>Rae
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On Nov 19, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Linda Sutherland wrote:

> parental


oh yes, I have that, and family, etc.. I do need to separate out
mothers and fathers from maternal and paternal, but parental is a
third group. I'll xref where appropriate amongst them all.

Good pint.

or point lol (mmmmm beeer)
Rae
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At 11:00 19/11/2009 -0500, Rae wrote:
>I'm working on a maternity book full of mother, maternal and
>fathers,
>paternal. I see no reason for separating but can't think of the best
>
>way to combine/xref.

parental


Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@...

I'm working on a maternity book full of mother, maternal and fathers,
paternal. I see no reason for separating but can't think of the best
way to combine/xref. This is my 5th book in a row of more than 800
pages and no day off since I think maybe May (not complaining!!!!!
just tired). I might have more questions with obvious answers before
this one is done.

Does this seem reasonable/logical, or does anyone have a better
suggestion?

Main entries:

mothers/maternity
fathers/paternity

maternital factors (or issues?). See mothers/maternity
paternal factors (or issues?). See fathers/paternity

But I will still have stuff like maternal heart rate, maternity
clothers, etc. which is why I think I'm not feeling too comfortable
with this plan. It doesn't look right but I can't come up with
anything else.

Thanks in advance. Massages welcome.
Rae
___________________________
Rachel Rice, MA
Freelance indexing and editing
http://www.rachelrice.com
YM: sevencatday
text msgs: racric@...

At 11/18/2009 11:41 PM, Paula Presley wrote:
>I just clicked on this
>http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/index-palins-book-you-betcha and up it
>came!!

This presumably finds it because TNR decided it is a blog, not the article
   www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-going-rogue-index

:-)
Joel

My apologies.  The site-wide search "Palin index" does find it, however.

On another list, someone wrote that he likes (contra the new MLA
style manual) using URLs because they are stable.  He's mistaken, of
course, but one might expect the remarkably straight-forward URL
       www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-going-rogue-index
to persist.

Joel

At 11/18/2009 11:29 PM, Ed Rush wrote:

>On 18 Nov 2009, at 10:18 AM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
>
> > As does the New
> > Republic index (not indented, but following bolded main entries), at
> > http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/the-going-rogue-index.
>
>
>
>Some hours later, this URL yields:
>
>The page you are looking for may have moved
>
>Please use the site-wide search to locate the desired content, or go
>back to the previous page.