< when you see the OT in the subject line, that it is quite likely that the
accompanying email will not have much to do with indexing.>

Lee,

I understand "OT" just fine; when accompanied by the word "book," I thought
it might be something of value. My mistake.

Caryn

Another take: people don't expect politicians (in either party) to be
especially truthful, so their books become fodder for ridicule.
Still, your point is well taken.

Cheers,
Carol

I think it would've been a hoot to index.

Cheers,
Carol Roberts
http://www.RobertsIndexing.com
http://www.ArtWanted.com/CarolR

If you are in the habit of using group mailings to distribute jokes,
political messages, virus alerts, and the like, please take a moment
right now to remove me from your group. I don't care to receive that
kind of mail, and it's an invasion of my privacy to distribute my
address to strangers (to me) without my permission. Sorry to sound so
militant, but my wishes have not been respected much. Repeat
offenders will have their own addresses submitted to porn sites. ;-)



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Just cheap swipes, Caryn. Feel free to take them with a grain of salt.

You might take note next time, however, when you see the OT in the
subject line, that it is quite likely that the accompanying email
will not have much to do with indexing.

Lee

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Caryn Sobel wrote:

>
> Clarify, please:
>
> Are these comments referring to eighty-page chapters, and the
> probable large
> number of names to be indexed?
>
> Or are they just cheap swipes at a politician whose ideas you don't
> endorse?
>
> If the former, I'd like that made clear. If the latter, I request
> an end to
> it. I am a Palin supporter (though not of her public speaking
> style), but
> would be saying the same thing right now if it were Obama's book.
> It doesn't
> belong here, and I am not interested in politics on an indexing e-
> mail list.
> Whatever happened to common courtesy, or the idea that not everyone
> in the
> world shares your particular viewpoint?
>
> Caryn Sobel
>
> Sobel Writing Services
>
> 12 West Center Street
>
> New Paltz, NY 12561-2001
>
> 845-721-7534
>
> carynsobel@...
>
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Clarify, please:



Are these comments referring to eighty-page chapters, and the probable large
number of names to be indexed?



Or are they just cheap swipes at a politician whose ideas you don't endorse?




If the former, I'd like that made clear. If the latter, I request an end to
it. I am a Palin supporter (though not of her public speaking style), but
would be saying the same thing right now if it were Obama's book. It doesn't
belong here, and I am not interested in politics on an indexing e-mail list.
Whatever happened to common courtesy, or the idea that not everyone in the
world shares your particular viewpoint?





Caryn Sobel

Sobel Writing Services

12 West Center Street

New Paltz, NY 12561-2001

845-721-7534

carynsobel@...











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llami@... writes:

Every indexer in the world should get down on their knees right now
and thank whoever or whatever they believe in that they didn't have
to  do that job!
------------
Why, I do a lot of fiction :)


Jacqui





Jacqueline  Frances Brownstein
Freelance  Indexing/Proofreading/Copyediting
Jacqui519@...
_http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jacqueline-brownstein/15/390/770_
(http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jacqueline-brownstein/15/390/770)


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Every indexer in the world should get down on their knees right now
and thank whoever or whatever they believe in that they didn't have
to do that job!

Just MHO,

Lee
falling off my chair laughing!

On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:19 PM, jill_in_wi wrote:

>
> Listening to telly last night, I heard this:
>
> Palin's book: 400 pages, 5 chapters, no index
>
> Jill Edwards
>

Listening to telly last night, I heard this:

Palin's book: 400 pages, 5 chapters, no index

Jill Edwards

Brian Keith as Teddy Roosevelt, inspired casting.

________________________________

From: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
indexlady@...
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 01:06 PM
To: indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Indexers and Movies




is "The Wind and the Lion".
----
Great movie!!! I love that one, too.




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is "The Wind and the Lion".
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Great movie!!! I love that one,  too.




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I guess my interests don't really hit on anything that someone could
guess I'm an indexer/librarian with a couple of history degrees thrown
in. Embarrasingly I did like the series of "The Librarian" made for tv
movies, but aside from that one of my all-time favorite movies is "The
Wind and the Lion". I'm currently reading the Sharpe books, and almost
anything Wilbur Smith puts out (barring the horrible ancient Egypt
series).

Brian


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Oh, good heavens, that should be Katharine, not Katherine :(

Andrea

Anesi Indexing
Quality Indexes Since 1996

www.anesiindexing.com
andrea@...
aanesi@...
570-390-7020

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Andrea Anesi wrote:

> Fun topic! One of my favorites is "Desk Set" with Katherine Hepburn
> and Spencer Tracy. Although it doesn't deal with indexing
> specifically, it is about an information/research department for a
> broadcasting company whose human information professionals just might
> be replaced by a giant computer.
>
> If I think of any others, I'll let you know.
>
> Andrea
>
> Anesi Indexing
> Quality Indexes Since 1996
>
> www.anesiindexing.com
> andrea@...
> aanesi@...
> 570-390-7020
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:26 PM, InDocs Indexing Service wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering what movies are of interest to indexers?  I recently
>> watched the documentary "Helvetica" which would be of interest to
>> indexers because it deals with fonts (or rather, THE font of all
>> fonts) and I'm thinking the movie, "Party Girl" would also be of
>> interest because it's about a clubber who decides to become a
>> librarian (being that so many indexers have a library background.)
>> Then there's the recent "Julie and Julia" (haven't seen it yet)
>> which they say mentions a tidbit about indexing.  Any others you can
>> think of?
>>
>> Rose Ippolito, MA
>> InDocs Indexing Service
>> specializing in religious and spiritual texts
>> rmippolito@...
>> http://inDocsindexing.com
>>
>> "Human felicity is produced not so much by great pieces of good
>> fortune, that seldom happen, as by little advantages that occur
>> every day." Ben Franklin
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



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Fun topic! One of my favorites is "Desk Set" with Katherine Hepburn
and Spencer Tracy. Although it doesn't deal with indexing
specifically, it is about an information/research department for a
broadcasting company whose human information professionals just might
be replaced by a giant computer.

If I think of any others, I'll let you know.

Andrea

Anesi Indexing
Quality Indexes Since 1996

www.anesiindexing.com
andrea@...
aanesi@...
570-390-7020

On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:26 PM, InDocs Indexing Service wrote:

> I'm wondering what movies are of interest to indexers?  I recently
> watched the documentary "Helvetica" which would be of interest to
> indexers because it deals with fonts (or rather, THE font of all
> fonts) and I'm thinking the movie, "Party Girl" would also be of
> interest because it's about a clubber who decides to become a
> librarian (being that so many indexers have a library background.)
> Then there's the recent "Julie and Julia" (haven't seen it yet)
> which they say mentions a tidbit about indexing.  Any others you can
> think of?
>
> Rose Ippolito, MA
> InDocs Indexing Service
> specializing in religious and spiritual texts
> rmippolito@...
> http://inDocsindexing.com
>
> "Human felicity is produced not so much by great pieces of good
> fortune, that seldom happen, as by little advantages that occur
> every day." Ben Franklin
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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I'm wondering what movies are of interest to indexers?
---------
I'm thinking we are all so  different that no one would agree. It's like
reading material for  entertainment--we all have different tastes.

I'm a real indexer. That gives  me some credentials to speak. (wry smile)

I like lighthearted chickflicks  with happy endings. The last one I saw in
a theater was Fool's Gold. That was a  couple of years ago. Last year, we
saw Marley & Me.

The Hunny Bunny and I go to a  late-morning matinee on Christmas Day. It's
our tradition. Complete with a  big container of popcorn and soda.

That's usually the only time we go  see a movie.

As far as TV shows I enjoy... the  only 2 shows I make time for are
CSI:Miami and Dancing with the Stars.  Everything else is dependent on what's
going
on. TV is the last thing in my  life. I'll go do dishes before watching TV.
I do enjoy cooking shows, decorating  shows, but there is too much other
stuff to do that I rarely watch  them.

Great subject. What does everyone  else watch?

Dawney








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I'm wondering what movies are of interest to indexers?  I recently watched the
documentary "Helvetica" which would be of interest to indexers because it deals
with fonts (or rather, THE font of all fonts) and I'm thinking the movie, "Party
Girl" would also be of interest because it's about a clubber who decides to
become a librarian (being that so many indexers have a library background.) 
Then there's the recent "Julie and Julia" (haven't seen it yet) which they say
mentions a tidbit about indexing.  Any others you can think of? 

Rose Ippolito, MA
InDocs Indexing Service
specializing in religious and spiritual texts
rmippolito@...
http://inDocsindexing.com


"Human felicity is produced not so much by great pieces of good fortune, that
seldom happen, as by little advantages that occur every day." Ben Franklin




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Hi Helene,

I charge per page for embedded indexing projects... whether FrameMaker,
XML, or Word.

I have worked with CUP so I'm not sure if that is any different. I know
there are a lot of indexers out there who do index to the CUP guidelines
so hopefully they'll provide their viewpoints.

Regards,
Lucie Haskisn

-----------------

I have recently purchased WordEmbed and I may be about to undertake my
first CUP index. The author has given me a word count of 100,000. I
normally charge by indexable page. How do you charge when you work from
a Word document?

Helene Ferranti
Cloudberry Indexing
Charlestown, MA 02129

I have recently purchased WordEmbed and I may be about to undertake my first CUP
index. The author has given me a word count of 100,000. I normally charge by
indexable page. How do you charge when you work from a Word document?

Helene Ferranti
Cloudberry Indexing
Charlestown, MA 02129

On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:22 PM, Write Guru wrote:

> ill-advised changes--that's it! Thank you!!

Glad I could help.

Cheers,
Carol

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ill-advised changes--that's it! Thank you!!

~Judi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol" <indexer@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Wording for "should not change"


>
> On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Write Guru wrote:
>
>> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and
>> settings and
>> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you
>> should not
>> change."
>>
>> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change."
>> Immutable
>> is not right. Suggestions?
>
> ill-advised changes to
>
> or
>
> changes to avoid
>
> Cheers,
> Carol Roberts
> http://www.RobertsIndexing.com
> http://www.ArtWanted.com/CarolR
>
> If you are in the habit of using group mailings to distribute jokes,
> political messages, virus alerts, and the like, please take a moment
> right now to remove me from your group. I don't care to receive that
> kind of mail, and it's an invasion of my privacy to distribute my
> address to strangers (to me) without my permission. Sorry to sound so
> militant, but my wishes have not been respected much. Repeat
> offenders will have their own addresses submitted to porn sites. ;-)
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:57 PM, Write Guru wrote:

> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and
> settings and
> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you
> should not
> change."
>
> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change."
> Immutable
> is not right. Suggestions?

ill-advised changes to

or

changes to avoid

Cheers,
Carol Roberts
http://www.RobertsIndexing.com
http://www.ArtWanted.com/CarolR

If you are in the habit of using group mailings to distribute jokes,
political messages, virus alerts, and the like, please take a moment
right now to remove me from your group. I don't care to receive that
kind of mail, and it's an invasion of my privacy to distribute my
address to strangers (to me) without my permission. Sorry to sound so
militant, but my wishes have not been respected much. Repeat
offenders will have their own addresses submitted to porn sites. ;-)



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unchangeable
constant
continuable


Write Guru wrote:
> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and settings and
> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you should not
> change."
>
> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change." Immutable
> is not right. Suggestions?
>
> ~Judi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Best,
Pam Rider
Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth

Ohhhh...... duh!

settings
--unalterable

settings
--forbidden modifications


settings
--warnings

settings
---DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH THESE!



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Write Guru <judi@...> wrote:

>
>
> The ME is "settings." I need a sub under it that picks up that concept.
>
> ~Judi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paula Presley" <paula.presley@... <paula.presley%40gmail.com>
> >
> To:
<indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com<indexersdiscussionlist%40yahoogroups.com\
>
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Wording for "should not change"
>
> > Hmmmm.. . . of course nobody would look for "do not change," and if you
> > hand, for example, the following, would the reader see the warnings?
> >
> > modifications (or even "changes"??)
> > --allowed <perhaps See x-refs here?>
> > ------menus
> > ------settings
> > --forbidden
> > ----<xxx>
> > ----<xxxx>
> >
> > Or, simply an MH of "forbidden modifications"
> >
> > Or, if they're not "forbidden" but just not approved or not recommended,
> > would the reader look under "warnings" or
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Write Guru
<judi@...<judi%40writeguru.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and settings
> >> and
> >> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you should
> >> not
> >> change."
> >>
> >> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change."
> >> Immutable
> >> is not right. Suggestions?
> >>
> >> ~Judi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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The ME is "settings." I need a sub under it that picks up that concept.

~Judi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paula Presley" <paula.presley@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Wording for "should not change"


> Hmmmm.. . . of course nobody would look for "do not change," and if you
> hand, for example, the following, would the reader see the warnings?
>
> modifications (or even "changes"??)
> --allowed <perhaps See x-refs here?>
> ------menus
> ------settings
> --forbidden
> ----<xxx>
> ----<xxxx>
>
> Or, simply an MH of "forbidden modifications"
>
> Or, if they're not "forbidden" but just not approved or not recommended,
> would the reader look under "warnings" or
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Write Guru <judi@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and settings
>> and
>> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you should
>> not
>> change."
>>
>> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change."
>> Immutable
>> is not right. Suggestions?
>>
>> ~Judi
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hmmmm.. . . of course nobody would look for "do not change," and if you
hand, for example, the following, would the reader see the warnings?

modifications (or even "changes"??)
--allowed <perhaps See x-refs here?>
------menus
------settings
--forbidden
----<xxx>
----<xxxx>

Or, simply an MH of "forbidden modifications"

Or, if they're not "forbidden" but just not approved or not recommended,
would the reader look under "warnings" or




On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Write Guru <judi@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and settings and
> various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you should
> not
> change."
>
> I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change." Immutable
> is not right. Suggestions?
>
> ~Judi
>
>
>


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I'm indexing a computer software book. It discusses menus and settings and
various changes to get certain results. I then have "settings you should not
change."

I have an ME for settings. I need a sub for "should not change." Immutable
is not right. Suggestions?

~Judi

I am relocating to Hawaii and am considering indexing as a profession that I can
do as a home business 3000 miles from the Mainland.  I have a MLIS from The
University of Michigan and have been self employed as an automation and
cataloging instructor and consultant.  I hope to get on board with the topic as
soon as possible. I don't know any professional indexers personally, so I also
hope to learn more about the profession via these groups and listservs.

I always tell clients that up to two hours of edits/repagination are
included in the base fee. Any additional time is billed at $50/hr.

Carolyn Weaver

----- Original Message -----
From: "em_lau_ra" <em_lau_ra@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] reflow of index, rates for?


> Hello All,
> The author of a 200 page book which I indexed says that the page numbers
> in the final proofs have changed and wants to pay me to fix the index for
> him.  I have not yet seen the PDFs so I am not of the nature of the
> changes or how significant they are.  Does anyone have tips in advance
> about pricing these types of things?
> Thank you!
> Laura Anderson
> Invincible Indexing
> laura@...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hello All,
The author of a 200 page book which I indexed says that the page numbers in the
final proofs have changed and wants to pay me to fix the index for him.  I have
not yet seen the PDFs so I am not of the nature of the changes or how
significant they are.  Does anyone have tips in advance about pricing these
types of things?
Thank you!
Laura Anderson
Invincible Indexing
laura@...

Good morning everyone,

I'm doing research for an article in The Indexer on why people do or do not join
their respective indexing societies. I've read over the archives and still have
a few questions. Specifically:

1) if you're not a member, why is that? If you were a member and are no longer,
may I ask why?

2) if you're an isolated indexer, what benefits does society membership offer?
What benefits would you like?

3) If you're a current member, what are your favorite benefits? What benefits
would you like to see offered?

Offlist replies are encouraged. Please be assured that I intend to sanitize all
identifying information from each post, though I would like to know which
indexing society each respondent is referring to so I can categorize data in
that way. Thanks in advance for your responses.

Janyne Ste Marie
jstemarie@...

Thanks for the advice!!

It turns out to be an English translation of an oral saga, much in the
nature of Song of Roland.
The professor is Senegalese and wrote down the saga in Mandinka and then
translated into English, especially for classroom use. All he and his press
want is an index of the English translation. It looks like there may be some
Mandinka names here and there, but for the most part it will be English,
aimed at university undergrads.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Carolyn Weaver
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> I don't know the language, but recently indexed a book that focuses on the
> region where it's spoken, with many transliterated terms in the text. Main
> thing to watch for is that there are many sound-based characters not found
> in other languages that will probably need to be hand-coded; so get
> instructions on how to handle those and make sure that the rate covers the
> coding time.
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> Carolyn Weaver
> Weaver Indexing Service
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> >I have a meeting this evening with an author re (I think) indexing a book
> > that is an English translation of a Mandinga text. The author is from
> > Senegal.
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> > I'll see what materializes and exactly what kind of indexing he might
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> > The book is published by a university press.
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