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I need to make the entry:

The Nation's Report Card in Dance

Do I enter it that way, or:

Nation's Report Card in Dance, The

Or both ways?  I am asking because I feel the need to bring the word "Nation" to
the front of the entry.  Or, should I force it to sort in under "N"  Or - should
I let it be sorted under both the T and N???  If this was a book I wouldn't be
having this problem, but this is a standard name for assessment that is in all
of our Nation's schools.

Thanks for helping out a very tired indexer!

Bobbi

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At 11:16 PM 2/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>  I need to make the entry:
>
>The Nation's Report Card in Dance
>
>Do I enter it that way, or:
>
>Nation's Report Card in Dance, The

I would enter it with the "The" at the end and sort under N. That's the
general rule, though sometimes it makes for really "ugly" entries.

Sonsie

You would never index that under "The." You can type it either way, but
index it in the Ns. Once you choose a style, be consistent throughout
your index. If you have a copy of "Indexing Books" or CMS, there will
be a section on initial articles in titles of works.

Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
indexer@...
Shorewood, WI
http://RobertsIndexing.com
photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@execpc.com/Carol/
I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my capacity as
ASI secretary.
                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
Leifer
[No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that happen?]
I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable tense.
--Hamilton cartoon caption.

On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:16 AM, Bobbi Swanson wrote:

>  I need to make the entry:
>
>  The Nation's Report Card in Dance
>
>  Do I enter it that way, or:
>
>  Nation's Report Card in Dance, The
>
>  Or both ways?  I am asking because I feel the need to bring the word
> "Nation" to the front of the entry.  Or, should I force it to sort in
> under "N"  Or - should I let it be sorted under both the T and N??? 
> If this was a book I wouldn't be having this problem, but this is a
> standard name for assessment that is in all of our Nation's schools.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Carol, I think I was just being lazy as well as tired!  Thanks for
helping to clear the cobwebs!

Bobbi




You would never index that under "The." You can type it either way, but
index it in the Ns. Once you choose a style, be consistent throughout
your index. If you have a copy of "Indexing Books" or CMS, there will
be a section on initial articles in titles of works.

Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
indexer@...

I guess that is why I had to ask - it just didn't look good to me at all.  I
don't have any other entries (so far) that start with "the", so when I
entered it under the 'Ns" it look too strange, yet it looks just as strange
with 'the' at the end.  Sure wish I could just leave it off entirely, but it
is part of the name.  I guess that is the way I am going to leave it though,
as it looks better than the other way.  Thanks so much for pointing out to
me why I was having so much trouble with this one - it looked "ugly"!!!

Bobbi



> At 11:16 PM 2/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>  I need to make the entry:
>>
>>The Nation's Report Card in Dance
>>
>>Do I enter it that way, or:
>>
>>Nation's Report Card in Dance, The
>
> I would enter it with the "The" at the end and sort under N. That's the
> general rule, though sometimes it makes for really "ugly" entries.
>
> Sonsie
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:44 AM, Bobbi Swanson wrote:

> I guess that is why I had to ask - it just didn't look good to me at
> all.  I
>  don't have any other entries (so far) that start with "the", so when I
>  entered it under the 'Ns" it look too strange, yet it looks just as
> strange
>  with 'the' at the end.  Sure wish I could just leave it off entirely,
> but it
>  is part of the name.  I guess that is the way I am going to leave it
> though,
>  as it looks better than the other way.  Thanks so much for pointing
> out to
>  me why I was having so much trouble with this one - it looked
> "ugly"!!!

Avoiding the ugly is why I leave the article out front and ignore it in
sorting. You can do that, so long as you do it consistently.

Cheers,

Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
indexer@...
Shorewood, WI
http://RobertsIndexing.com
photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@execpc.com/Carol/
I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my capacity as
ASI secretary.
                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
Leifer
[No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that happen?]
I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable tense.
--Hamilton cartoon caption.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bobbi,

You may want to see what your editor prefers. Some of my clients like it at
the beginning with a foreced sort and some prefer it at the end of the
entry following a comma.

Paula



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Hello
For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this question. Many
of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
texts, articles, etc.
As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex to sort
using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
<The >and then the rest of the title.

Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one publisher
neither they or an author have ever said a thing.

Ken




--- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, "Bobbi Swanson"
<bobbiswanson@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Carol, I think I was just being lazy as well as tired!
Thanks for
> helping to clear the cobwebs!
>
> Bobbi
>
>
>
>
> You would never index that under "The." You can type it either way, but
> index it in the Ns. Once you choose a style, be consistent throughout
> your index. If you have a copy of "Indexing Books" or CMS, there will
> be a section on initial articles in titles of works.
>
> Cheers,
> Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
> indexer@...
>

Thank you Ken, Carol, Sonsie, Caryn, and everyone else who so kindly
responded to my question about this entry.  I am going to put the "the" at
the end of the entry, as there are no other entries that I can see like this
in the book, and it does make for a much "cleaner" looking index.  Thanks
again for coming through for me!  You are all the best!

Bobbi



> Hello
> For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this question. Many
> of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
> texts, articles, etc.
> As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex to sort
> using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
> <The >and then the rest of the title.
>
> Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one publisher
> neither they or an author have ever said a thing.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> --- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, "Bobbi Swanson"
> <bobbiswanson@...> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Carol, I think I was just being lazy as well as tired!
> Thanks for
>> helping to clear the cobwebs!
>>

Ken, you didn't ask a question! Don't leave us hanging!

Most of my scholarly clients also prefer "The" to be left in front (and
ignored in sorting, of course).

Cheers,
Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
indexer@...
Shorewood, WI
http://RobertsIndexing.com
photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@execpc.com/Carol/
I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my capacity as
ASI secretary.
                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
Leifer
[No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that happen?]
I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable tense.
--Hamilton cartoon caption.

On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Kenny H wrote:

> Hello
>  For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this question. Many
>  of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
>  texts, articles, etc.
>  As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex to sort
>  using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
>  <The >and then the rest of the title.
>
>  Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one publisher
>  neither they or an author have ever said a thing.
>
>  Ken





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Carol

Nabberd you snart-aleck you! I was wondering if SOMEONE was going to
ask me what the question was!

I guess my question was, Can you realy have "The" come at the end as
in, "Cat in the Hat, The" ?

I have never seen that.

My understanding regarding "The" is:
A) leave it out altogether in which case the entry would be: Cat in
the Hat
B) Force the entry to alphabetize staring with the word Cat by using
<The > (in Cindex, or whatever the mechanism is in other indexing
programs)to force Cindex to sort starting the word immediately after
"The."

Ken (who often has a lot of questions, some of which are implied!).





--- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, Carol <indexer@...> wrote:
>
> Ken, you didn't ask a question! Don't leave us hanging!
>
> Most of my scholarly clients also prefer "The" to be left in front (and
> ignored in sorting, of course).
>
> Cheers,
> Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
> indexer@...
> Shorewood, WI
> http://RobertsIndexing.com
> photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@.../Carol/
> I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my capacity as
> ASI secretary.
>                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
> I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
> Leifer
> [No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that happen?]
> I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable tense.
> --Hamilton cartoon caption.
>
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Kenny H wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >  For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this question. Many
> >  of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
> >  texts, articles, etc.
> >  As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex to sort
> >  using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
> >  <The >and then the rest of the title.
> >
> >  Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one
publisher
> >  neither they or an author have ever said a thing.
> >
> >  Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I guess my question was, Can you realy have "The" come at the end as
in, "Cat in the Hat, The" ?
~~~~~
_Chicago Manual of Style_, 15th edition, section, 18.51, page 772
"In titles beginning with The, A, or An, the article is traditionally placed
at the end of the title, following a comma, when the title forms a main
heading."

Heidi

Heidi Blough
indexing@...
www.heidiblough.com

Heidi
Thanks, I only have two Chicago Manuals of Style and three of the
Indexes chapters as separate sitting here on my desk!
duhhhh
Ken


--- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Blough"
<listmail@...> wrote:
>
> I guess my question was, Can you realy have "The" come at the end as
> in, "Cat in the Hat, The" ?
> ~~~~~
> _Chicago Manual of Style_, 15th edition, section, 18.51, page 772
> "In titles beginning with The, A, or An, the article is
traditionally placed
> at the end of the title, following a comma, when the title forms a main
> heading."
>
> Heidi
>
> Heidi Blough
> indexing@...
> www.heidiblough.com
>

Sometimes it is easy to forget to check - and Chicago doesn't cover
everything. But they have a position on titles. I still check to see if a
client has specific style requirements. I prefer the look of keeping the
article and forcing the sort on the second word but it is up to the client.

Heidi

> Heidi
> Thanks, I only have two Chicago Manuals of Style and three of the
> Indexes chapters as separate sitting here on my desk!
> duhhhh
> Ken

Ken,
All of the publishers I've indexed for, which includes scholarly, trade
and children's and young adult, want "Cat in the Hat, The."
Ina

Ina Gravitz
I. Gravitz Indexing Services

Kenny H wrote:

> Carol
>
> Nabberd you snart-aleck you! I was wondering if SOMEONE was going to
> ask me what the question was!
>
> I guess my question was, Can you realy have "The" come at the end as
> in, "Cat in the Hat, The" ?
>
> I have never seen that.
>
> My understanding regarding "The" is:
> A) leave it out altogether in which case the entry would be: Cat in
> the Hat
> B) Force the entry to alphabetize staring with the word Cat by using
> <The > (in Cindex, or whatever the mechanism is in other indexing
> programs)to force Cindex to sort starting the word immediately after
> "The."
>
> Ken (who often has a lot of questions, some of which are implied!).
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, Carol <indexer@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Ken, you didn't ask a question! Don't leave us hanging!
>  >
>  > Most of my scholarly clients also prefer "The" to be left in front (and
>  > ignored in sorting, of course).
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
>  > indexer@...
>  > Shorewood, WI
>  > http://RobertsIndexing.com
>  > photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@.../Carol/
>  > I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my capacity as
>  > ASI secretary.
>  >                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
> ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
>  > I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
>  > Leifer
>  > [No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that happen?]
>  > I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable tense.
>  > --Hamilton cartoon caption.
>  >
>  > On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Kenny H wrote:
>  >
>  > > Hello
>  > >  For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this question. Many
>  > >  of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
>  > >  texts, articles, etc.
>  > >  As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex to sort
>  > >  using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
>  > >  <The >and then the rest of the title.
>  > >
>  > >  Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one
> publisher
>  > >  neither they or an author have ever said a thing.
>  > >
>  > >  Ken
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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>  >
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Ina
I stand (actually, I sit) corrected. I can't imagine that I have seen
it like that but that is the truth!
Ken

--- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, Ina Gravitz
<inagravitz@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
> All of the publishers I've indexed for, which includes scholarly, trade
> and children's and young adult, want "Cat in the Hat, The."
> Ina
>
> Ina Gravitz
> I. Gravitz Indexing Services
>
> Kenny H wrote:
>
> > Carol
> >
> > Nabberd you snart-aleck you! I was wondering if SOMEONE was going to
> > ask me what the question was!
> >
> > I guess my question was, Can you realy have "The" come at the end as
> > in, "Cat in the Hat, The" ?
> >
> > I have never seen that.
> >
> > My understanding regarding "The" is:
> > A) leave it out altogether in which case the entry would be: Cat in
> > the Hat
> > B) Force the entry to alphabetize staring with the word Cat by using
> > <The > (in Cindex, or whatever the mechanism is in other indexing
> > programs)to force Cindex to sort starting the word immediately after
> > "The."
> >
> > Ken (who often has a lot of questions, some of which are implied!).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com, Carol <indexer@> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Ken, you didn't ask a question! Don't leave us hanging!
> >  >
> >  > Most of my scholarly clients also prefer "The" to be left in
front (and
> >  > ignored in sorting, of course).
> >  >
> >  > Cheers,
> >  > Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor
> >  > indexer@
> >  > Shorewood, WI
> >  > http://RobertsIndexing.com
> >  > photography site: http://myweb.core.com/photos/indexer@/Carol/
> >  > I am speaking in my capacity as an indexer and not in my
capacity as
> >  > ASI secretary.
> >  >                        ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
> > ❧ ❧ ❧ ❧
> >  > I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. --Carol
> >  > Leifer
> >  > [No longer true! I now work out 5 times a week. How did that
happen?]
> >  > I've tried relaxing, but--I don't know--I feel more comfortable
tense.
> >  > --Hamilton cartoon caption.
> >  >
> >  > On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Kenny H wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > Hello
> >  > >  For my own sake of clarification allow me to ask this
question. Many
> >  > >  of the scholarly books I index make oodles of reference to other
> >  > >  texts, articles, etc.
> >  > >  As a matter of course I do include "The" but I force Cindex
to sort
> >  > >  using the first letter of the word after "The" by using
> >  > >  <The >and then the rest of the title.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Works nicely, looks fine, in seveal dozen books for this one
> > publisher
> >  > >  neither they or an author have ever said a thing.
> >  > >
> >  > >  Ken
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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> >  >
> >
> >
> >
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The Cat in the Hat
Cat in the Hat, The

I've worked for different presses who have favored one or the other of the
above options. Both are considered to be "correct" and the preference of one
over the other is simple a stylistic issue. As others have mentioned, the
most important criteria for using one over the other is simply
this--whichever one your client prefers.

Just for the record, most of my clients prefer the first option in which the
article comes first but is ignored in the sorting, but I've had a few
clients over the years that requested the second option. I consider it to be
very like the request for a specific page reference format (i.e. Chicago,
Hart's rule, or unsquashed numbers) and am happy to follow the press
requirements.

Best,
Sylvia Coates

Sylvia's experience mirrors mine. But, I do have a preference. I much
prefer the full and accurate title in real, accurate order. I find many
venues that ignore leading articles in alphabetizing.

As we all ignore leading conjunctions and prepositions in subentries,
why would it be a challenge for titles?

But. I index following client preference.

Sylvia Coates wrote:
> The Cat in the Hat
> Cat in the Hat, The
>
> I've worked for different presses who have favored one or the other of the
> above options. Both are considered to be "correct" and the preference of one
> over the other is simple a stylistic issue. As others have mentioned, the
> most important criteria for using one over the other is simply
> this--whichever one your client prefers.
>
> Just for the record, most of my clients prefer the first option in which the
> article comes first but is ignored in the sorting, but I've had a few
> clients over the years that requested the second option. I consider it to be
> very like the request for a specific page reference format (i.e. Chicago,
> Hart's rule, or unsquashed numbers) and am happy to follow the press
> requirements.
>
> Best,
> Sylvia Coates
>
>
>
>
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I need advice on how to enter this name.

Thich Nhat Hanh
Nhat Hanh, Thich
or
Hanh, Thich Nhat

I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
Nhat Hanh

TIA,

Rae

____________________________________
Rachel Rice, MA
Freelance indexing and editing
Brookline, Vermont USA
http://www.rachelrice.com
YM: sevencatday

Ugly. It's the new pretty. (Made that up myself.)

Thich is not a given name; it is the title of repect. It is the Vietnamese
equivalent of Reverend or Rinpoche.

That much said, I recognize that readers may not know the difference, so you
may want an xref from Thich to the given name.

I don't know what the Vietnamese convention is for listing first and last
names, so I cannot help with alphabetizing the rest.

~Judi Gibbs

----- Original Message -----
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To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] Thich Nhat Hanh


>I need advice on how to enter this name.
>
> Thich Nhat Hanh
> Nhat Hanh, Thich
> or
> Hanh, Thich Nhat
>
> I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
> Nhat Hanh
>
> TIA,
>
> Rae
>
> ____________________________________
> Rachel Rice, MA
> Freelance indexing and editing
> Brookline, Vermont USA
> http://www.rachelrice.com
> YM: sevencatday
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This sounds like a Vietnamese name, and if that is the case, according to
CMS, The surname is given first, so you just make the entry as it is, no
inversion is necessary.

Hope this helps,
Bobbi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Rice" <racric@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] Thich Nhat Hanh


>I need advice on how to enter this name.
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> Thich Nhat Hanh
> Nhat Hanh, Thich
> or
> Hanh, Thich Nhat
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> I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
> Nhat Hanh
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> TIA,
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> Rae
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> ____________________________________
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> Freelance indexing and editing
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Hi, Donna! I'm in your class and also in your state--although far away
from the wild wooly west aspects of this state (I was a lot closer to
cows in Oklahoma where my uncle was a rancher!).  I look forward to
seeing your postings here and in class--but meanwhile, clue me in:
BOTB? I'm new to indexing and have no idea what this is. A search on
google yields battle of the bands. My first guess: Books on the Brain!
help me, Rhonda
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medical work, banking, the nursery industry, and in the library
community as library director for a small town. I have a BA in English
Literature from UC Santa Barbara. My interests include reading, hiking,
mountain climbing, gardening, and observing and photographing nature
(birds, wildlife, wildflowers, etc.). I look forward to my studies of
indexing, and hope to find a niche in the BOTB indexing world.
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On 3 Feb 2006, at 2:27 PM, rjonesdenver wrote:

> BOTB?

Back of the book.
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Rae,
Library of Congress CIP has him as
Nhat Hanh, Thich.
Ina

Ina Gravitz
I. Gravitz Indexing Services

Rachel Rice wrote:
> I need advice on how to enter this name.
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> Thich Nhat Hanh
> Nhat Hanh, Thich
> or
> Hanh, Thich Nhat
>
> I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
> Nhat Hanh
>
> TIA,
>
> Rae
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> ____________________________________
> Rachel Rice, MA
> Freelance indexing and editing
> Brookline, Vermont USA
> http://www.rachelrice.com
> YM: sevencatday
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Rae,

Chicago suggests that they be indexed under theim last name, first name
with a cross-reference under Thich Nhat Hanh.  In an interview in
Religion and Ethics Newsletter that I read online, the people were just
indicated by their last name. Thich Nhat Hanh was referred to as Nhat Hanh.

Hope this helps.

Nora Harris

Judith Gibbs wrote:

> Thich is not a given name; it is the title of repect. It is the Vietnamese
> equivalent of Reverend or Rinpoche.
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> That much said, I recognize that readers may not know the difference, so you
> may want an xref from Thich to the given name.
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> I don't know what the Vietnamese convention is for listing first and last
> names, so I cannot help with alphabetizing the rest.
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> ~Judi Gibbs
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rachel Rice" <racric@...>
> To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:05 PM
> Subject: [indexersdiscussionlist] Thich Nhat Hanh
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>>I need advice on how to enter this name.
>>
>>Thich Nhat Hanh
>>Nhat Hanh, Thich
>>or
>>Hanh, Thich Nhat
>>
>>I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
>>Nhat Hanh
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>>TIA,
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>>Rae
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>>____________________________________
>>Rachel Rice, MA
>>Freelance indexing and editing
>>Brookline, Vermont USA
>>http://www.rachelrice.com
>>YM: sevencatday
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LC isn't always correct. I once reviewed an index with an entry under
Rinpoche (as the surname). I pointed out that's like entering someone under
Reverend. She said LC had him listed under Rinpoche. Fine. Whoever set up
that LC entry clearly didn't know titles used by Buddhist clergy.

~Judi Gibbs

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ina Gravitz" <inagravitz@...>
To: <indexersdiscussionlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [indexersdiscussionlist] Thich Nhat Hanh


> Rae,
> Library of Congress CIP has him as
> Nhat Hanh, Thich.
> Ina
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> Ina Gravitz
> I. Gravitz Indexing Services
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> Rachel Rice wrote:
>> I need advice on how to enter this name.
>>
>> Thich Nhat Hanh
>> Nhat Hanh, Thich
>> or
>> Hanh, Thich Nhat
>>
>> I find him easily on the net, but don't see anything other than Thich
>> Nhat Hanh
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Rae
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> Rachel Rice, MA
>> Freelance indexing and editing
>> Brookline, Vermont USA
>> http://www.rachelrice.com
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From: "Bobbi Swanson" <bobbiswanson@...>


Hi, Bobbi--I'm just now reading your response to my intro letter. Thanks for the
message--ever since I have started down this path, I'm struck by how open the
people are and how sharing they are. I seriously wonder if I'll ever be able to
do it--but I've not really started yet--after reading all the professional tips
these people share. Tiny steps...tiny steps...and the listserv! thanks again, rj



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Hang in there, I thought that same thing when I started out - will I ever be
able to do it? - and now, 3 years later - I am doing it, and loving it!
Enjoying the work is half the battle, learning the trade is the other half,
and I am finding out that the learning never ends!  I don't know what I
would do without the help from the great folks on this list, they helped me
out at the begining, and are still teaching me!  I wish you all the best!
Don't hesitate to ask questions, I guarantee you will get answers!

Bobbi

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> Hi, Bobbi--I'm just now reading your response to my intro letter. Thanks
> for the message--ever since I have started down this path, I'm struck by
> how open the people are and how sharing they are. I seriously wonder if
> I'll ever be able to do it--but I've not really started yet--after reading
> all the professional tips these people share. Tiny steps...tiny
> steps...and the listserv! thanks again, rj
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