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Re: [junkfaxDiscussion] Finally less junk

Openfax is a messaging service provider that offers fax, email and voice messaging services. Though this industry seems to be hated by many there are many legitimate uses for the service.  For example: Public relations, associations, publications, collections, invoicing, customer contact, etc. where recipients do want this information.  Just as in any technology service there are people who do break the law and do abuse the service. 

Though my initial post was somewhat misleading  (and I do appologize), its a difficult line to walk with the general public - especially when your industry is disliked. The faxbackbenefits system is real and will help stop faxes coming from at least our company at this point.  We hope to grow it into the market as a fax filter service to get major networks to participate with.  . 

Companies that offer lists, documents or other services where they have a high degree of involvement are the companies targeting spam fax senders. Companies like Openfax that elect not to promote spam faxing by not offering these services is beneficial to everyone.  As a network provider why would we want to send messages to people who don't want them?  It potential creates legal issues, provides a disservice to clients and well, upsets everyone.

We invented the filter service to put the control back to the people (or at least as much control as we could give from our share of the market).

As far as point #4 it again is a point of view issue.  Spamming (not opt-in) emails creates major problems from ISPs and the public.  Many services such as Openfax focus on providing a way for people to deliver messages.  We publish and enforce abuse policies and try to target the legitimate users.  Whether someone breaks the law or abuses our network is up to the individual, all we can do is react to complaints, target better clients and maybe make a difference with some controls and preferences to what you want or don't want from our networks.


On 7/5/07, Bob Comperini <bob@...> wrote:

This morning, I received the following private e-mail:

>From: Brett Kokinadis <<mailto:bkokinadis@...> bkokinadis@...>
>Date: Jul 5, 2007 9:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [junkfaxDiscussion] Finally less junk
>
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>Well you are correct on the host. Pretty sharp Bob. however I will tell you every person who registers at FBB is honestly added to the global block list on our supporting network.
>
>We don't want our customers sending to people who hate faxes. Openfax does not promote unsolicited faxing, we do not distribute lists or documents. I simply posted this to get people excited about something that really works. Maybe the approach was misleading but how would you suggest doing that then?

It looks like Brett attempted to also send the e-mail to this list, but it was never posted. Perhaps Brett's gmail e-mail address is not subscribed to the list (Brett is subscribed to this list, but perhaps using a different e-mail address. I dont know).

So, we now know that this "<http://profiles.yahoo.com/madukahari>madukahari", who started this whole "Finally, less junk" thread, by posting something about a "new company", was a hoax, and just a deceptive way to get people to sign up for this new company's "services". That Yahoo ID subscribed to this list on 7/4/07, right before making the post. That Yahoo ID was also created (or at least "last updated") also on 7/4/07. Bottom line: that Yahoo ID is just a fake. Brett has been a member of this list for quite a while... so the plot thickens.

Ok, so was I right? Is this is just another company, run by a company that engages in junk faxing?

So, my questions now become:

(1) Now that you've started this whole thing by trying to deceive people, why should anyone believe anything about your company, and why would anyone believe that your company really will "help reduce the number of faxes"?

(2) The sending of unsolicited FAXes is illegal, plain and simple. Why should anyone even WANT to deal with them, to "help reduce the faxes"? If Junk FAXers willingly violate laws by sending these things out, why should anyone believe that you'll actually do the right thing, by offering to "help reduce" the number of faxes? What incentive is there for you to actually honor any such request, especially when the there was a lot of deception promoting this company to begin with? Most people believe these are scams (just like the "opt out" instructions), who's only purpose is to provide you with "working" FAX numbers.

(3) Please defend the practice of sending unsolicited junk faxes.

(4) Does your company also engage in the sending of unsolicited "Spam" e-mails?

Perhaps you can tell us all what OpenFax really does.




Thu Jul 5, 2007 4:43 pm

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I work in a doctors office where we got tons of junk faxes, so many we actually changed the number to try and stop them. I found this website called...
madukahari
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Jul 4, 2007
7:12 pm

... I dunnoo.. I'm always skeptical of these companies... First of all, this company, has only had their domain registered since March 27, 2007! There hasn't...
Bob Comperini
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Jul 4, 2007
7:30 pm

Sounds like the junk faxers are creating a legal defense ploy. By registering with the site you create a 'established business relationship' with your fax...
Norman Buck
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Jul 4, 2007
8:04 pm

... hahah, yeah, that's probably it, too! Good one ;) I wonder where the other person heard of this company? Geeze, I hope it wasn't from unsolicited FAX...
Bob Comperini
rgc446
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Jul 4, 2007
8:10 pm

Don't know exactly, but the volume of faxes I received has defiantly been reduced. ... From: Bob Comperini <bob@...> To:...
Madu Kahari
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Jul 5, 2007
1:50 pm

... I'll bet that reduction is only temporary...
Bob Comperini
rgc446
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Jul 5, 2007
1:53 pm

... Interesting.... Your e-mail originated from IP 70.89.223.193. Guess who that IP is registered to? 193.223.89.70.in-addr.arpa name =...
Bob Comperini
rgc446
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Jul 5, 2007
2:06 pm

Well you are correct on the host. Pretty sharp Bob. however I will tell you every person who registers at FBB is honestly added to the global block list on our...
Brett Kokinadis
bkokinadis
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Jul 5, 2007
6:41 pm

... It looks like Brett attempted to also send the e-mail to this list, but it was never posted. Perhaps Brett's gmail e-mail address is not subscribed to the...
Bob Comperini
rgc446
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Jul 5, 2007
4:21 pm

Openfax is a messaging service provider that offers fax, email and voice messaging services. Though this industry seems to be hated by many there are many...
Brett Kokinadis
bkokinadis
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Jul 5, 2007
4:44 pm

Hmm, looks like this "member" is a spammer also. Their telltail clues, Yahoo profile created "Last Update: 07/04/2007" and no info at all in it. I wouldn't...
New Jersey Bill
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Jul 5, 2007
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