Here's a link to the add for the tool.
http://www.privacycorps.com/products/?id=23
  It works several ways, the one taht interestd me: you can set it to
block all faxes except those on an approved list you create. I don't
have anyone I want to receive from on a regular basis, so I'd block
them ALL until I know one is coming.
Eric
Here's a l


--- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Irene Kraus" <ikraus@d...>
wrote:
> Eric was heard to say:
>
> > I'm also interested to see how effective this Firewall thing
> > is. I like the description of the "data" function that blocks
> > all faxes except those on an "invited" list.
> > It cost me $12 to change the number of my second line (fax
> > amchine is on this number).
> > I tried the $12 temporary solution, but the next step might
> > be this device ... if it works it might be worth the $99.
>
> A hardware fax firewall? Not sure if I've ever heard of such a
thing, but it
> is entirely possible. What I would assume you're talking about it
something
> where you can tell it to accept calls only from specific numbers.
That would
> work with the Caller Id service provided by the phone company to block
> unwanted calls. Please note that these are assumptions I'm making on
how the
> device SHOULD work. I have no idea if this is accurate!
>
> The service I've been using for the past year - Callwave - will
block junk
> faxes coming from known sources. I have no idea how that system works
> exactly, but it is my understanding it works pretty much as I've
outlined
> above. To date, that has been fairly effective. But then, Callwave
likes to
> advertise their 'services' like anything! As you have to keep their
program
> running all the time in the background, you're somewhat of a captive
> audience for their junk. Everytime they send me an e-mail or notice
(through
> their tool) about something, I complain. So far, that's fallen on
deaf ears.
>
>
> My problem has been with eFax, which doesn't appear to do ANYTHING
to block
> junk faxes. An additional annoyance with them is their rates are
based on
> the number of faxes you get in a month. So far, I have not been able to
> figure out how to cancel my account with them either!
>
> I really hate the fact that these companies are assuming that
because I've
> bought one product/service from them, I want to hear about other
offerings.
> A once a month 'newsletter' would be okay in my book, but nothing more
> frequent than that! THAT's harassment IMO...
>
> <>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
> Irene M. Kraus a.k.a. The Computer Lady!
> Web Development, CBT, Graphic Design - www.design-comp.com
> President/Webmaster Computer Erie Bay User Group - www.cebug.org

Or you all working for faxrecoverysystems or just stupid?

"I hereby certify that neither I nor my company, identified herein
below, gave the sender(s) ("Sender") of said fax(es) or to
Sender's agent any prior express or indirect invitation or permission
to transmit the cited faxes to me or my company."

I would NEVER certify that!  For most faxes, I don't even know who
sent them.

"I therefore authorize Agency to bring action or suit, on behalf of
Client and to do so at Agency's sole discretion in Client's
name ..."

Over my dead body.  Nobody files suit in my name unless I explicitly
authorized the suit.

Why would I subject myself to possibly hundreds of thousands of
dollars in liability?    Not to mention having to fly to testify and
all that crap.

I don't understand why you hijacked MY offer to purchase my junk faxes
under MY terms to advertise faxrecoverysystems.

As I said, you either work for those morons are you're the dictionary
definition for gullible and dimwitted.

You haven't even figured out that there's a difference between getting
$10 at the time of sale (assignment) and *** MAYBE *** getting $100
sometime after who know how many hassles and successful collection?

You can discuss here whatever you want in YOUR threads and I was
really hoping to limit MY thread to MY topic:

"I will sell my faxes for $10 each"

So if anyone wants to discuss my offer - great. If not, please start
your own topic.

Christine




--- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Tom <worldlysaint@y...> wrote:
> You can see their agreement here:
> http://www.faxrecoverysystems.com/images-fax2/CollectionAgreement.pdf
>
> It asks for nothing up front other than, in so many
> words, your commitment to cooperate fully with them in
> their attempt to collect, and to forward to them any
> money you might happen to collect (out of which would
> come your $100 settlement).
>
> They appear to be legitimate. Here's a sample news
> story from September 20:
>
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20050920&Category=NEWS&ArtNo\
=509200371&Ref=AR
>
> They were new members of the Florida Collector's
> Association last December.
>
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XiPyxMp8-rcJ:www.acainternational.org/fl/%3\
Fcid%3D104+954-581-2197&hl=en
>
> Your mileage may vary!
>
> Tom Richards
>
> --- Howard Siegel <hsiegel@p...> wrote:
>
> > Because each organization says that they don't
> > charge anything on
> > their home pages.  If their agreements conflict with
> > that then
> > it would already be common knowledge or been fixed
> > by now.
> >
> > - h
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Christine Baker wrote:
> >
> > > Why are you posting such crap then?
> > >
> > > "As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > > Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason."
> > >
> > > Christine
> > >
> > > --- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard
> > Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > >> I have not yet downloaded the agreement forms, so
> > unless someone
> > >> else posts it, you'll have to grab a new one of
> > their web site.
> > >>
> > >> - h
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Christine Baker wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> "As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > >>>> Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason."
> > >>>
> > >>> Great, $100 is much better than $10.  The
> > contract I got is over half
> > >>> a year old, so maybe they changed.  Could you
> > please post the new
> > >>> agreement for analysis?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Christine
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard
> > Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > >>>> Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason.  So
> > >>>> I don't know where Ms. Baker got the idea that
> > they did, unless
> > >>>> there is a similarly named service that does
> > and she is getting
> > >>>> the two organizations confused with each other.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I know that I would really like to know if Fax
> > Recovery Services
> > >>>> is legit (they seem to be based on a simple web
> > search finding
> > >>>> reports about them), and how effective they
> > are.  I suppose that
> > >>>> if they were 100% effective at getting the
> > spammers to cough up
> > >>>> some money, but abysmal at getting them to stop
> > their antics,
> > >>>> then I guess I wouldn't care how often they fax
> > spammed me as
> > >>>> each one would be worth more to me than the sum
> > of the consumables
> > >>>> each one used up, so they could fax spam me to
> > their heart's
> > >>>> content.  I'd even install some extra phone
> > lines and put up
> > >>>> more fax machines for them to spam;-).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - h
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, secret.squirrel wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Can you tell me where it has the obligations
> > in the Fax Recovery
> > >>> Systems
> > >>>>> agreement -- we are contemplating using them
> > and would like to
> > >>> know more
> > >>>>> about this before we send everything off.
> > Thanks --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> J. LaDow
> > >>>>> http://www.rideguy.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Christine
> > >>> Baker
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:19 AM
> > >>>>> To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> Subject: [junkfaxDiscussion] I will sell my
> > faxes for $10 each
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No contract obligating me to put in thousands
> > of dollars like with
> > >>>>> faxrecovery (I read the contract in March) and
> > those other scammers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You get the fax and an affidavit stating when
> > and where I
> > > received it
> > >>>>> -  and that's it.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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-----Original Message-----
From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Christine Baker
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:34 PM
To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [junkfaxDiscussion] Re: I will sell my faxes for $10 each

Or you all working for faxrecoverysystems or just stupid?

"I hereby certify that neither I nor my company, identified herein
below, gave the sender(s) ("Sender") of said fax(es) or to
Sender's agent any prior express or indirect invitation or permission
to transmit the cited faxes to me or my company."

I would NEVER certify that!  For most faxes, I don't even know who
sent them.

"I therefore authorize Agency to bring action or suit, on behalf of
Client and to do so at Agency's sole discretion in Client's
name ..."

Over my dead body.  Nobody files suit in my name unless I explicitly
authorized the suit.

Why would I subject myself to possibly hundreds of thousands of
dollars in liability?    Not to mention having to fly to testify and
all that crap.

I don't understand why you hijacked MY offer to purchase my junk faxes
under MY terms to advertise faxrecoverysystems.

As I said, you either work for those morons are you're the dictionary
definition for gullible and dimwitted.

You haven't even figured out that there's a difference between getting
$10 at the time of sale (assignment) and *** MAYBE *** getting $100
sometime after who know how many hassles and successful collection?

You can discuss here whatever you want in YOUR threads and I was
really hoping to limit MY thread to MY topic:

"I will sell my faxes for $10 each"

So if anyone wants to discuss my offer - great. If not, please start
your own topic.

Christine




--- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Tom <worldlysaint@y...> wrote:
> You can see their agreement here:
> http://www.faxrecoverysystems.com/images-fax2/CollectionAgreement.pdf
>
> It asks for nothing up front other than, in so many
> words, your commitment to cooperate fully with them in
> their attempt to collect, and to forward to them any
> money you might happen to collect (out of which would
> come your $100 settlement).
> 
> They appear to be legitimate. Here's a sample news
> story from September 20:
>
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20050920&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=509200371&Ref=AR
>
> They were new members of the Florida Collector's
> Association last December.
>
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XiPyxMp8-rcJ:www.acainternational.org/fl/%3Fcid%3D104+954-581-2197&hl=en
>
> Your mileage may vary!
>
> Tom Richards
>
> --- Howard Siegel <hsiegel@p...> wrote:
>
> > Because each organization says that they don't
> > charge anything on
> > their home pages.  If their agreements conflict with
> > that then
> > it would already be common knowledge or been fixed
> > by now.
> >
> > - h
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Christine Baker wrote:
> >
> > > Why are you posting such crap then?
> > >
> > > "As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > > Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason."
> > >
> > > Christine
> > >
> > > --- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard
> > Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
> > > wrote:
> > >> I have not yet downloaded the agreement forms, so
> > unless someone
> > >> else posts it, you'll have to grab a new one of
> > their web site.
> > >>
> > >> - h
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Christine Baker wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> "As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > >>>> Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason."
> > >>>
> > >>> Great, $100 is much better than $10.  The
> > contract I got is over half
> > >>> a year old, so maybe they changed.  Could you
> > please post the new
> > >>> agreement for analysis?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Christine
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard
> > Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> As far as I can tell, neither Fax Recovery
> > Systems nor Consumer
> > >>>> Crusade require any cash outlay at any time for
> > any reason.  So
> > >>>> I don't know where Ms. Baker got the idea that
> > they did, unless
> > >>>> there is a similarly named service that does
> > and she is getting
> > >>>> the two organizations confused with each other.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I know that I would really like to know if Fax
> > Recovery Services
> > >>>> is legit (they seem to be based on a simple web
> > search finding
> > >>>> reports about them), and how effective they
> > are.  I suppose that
> > >>>> if they were 100% effective at getting the
> > spammers to cough up
> > >>>> some money, but abysmal at getting them to stop
> > their antics,
> > >>>> then I guess I wouldn't care how often they fax
> > spammed me as
> > >>>> each one would be worth more to me than the sum
> > of the consumables
> > >>>> each one used up, so they could fax spam me to
> > their heart's
> > >>>> content.  I'd even install some extra phone
> > lines and put up
> > >>>> more fax machines for them to spam;-).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - h
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, secret.squirrel wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Can you tell me where it has the obligations
> > in the Fax Recovery
> > >>> Systems
> > >>>>> agreement -- we are contemplating using them
> > and would like to
> > >>> know more
> > >>>>> about this before we send everything off.
> > Thanks --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> J. LaDow
> > >>>>> http://www.rideguy.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Christine
> > >>> Baker
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:19 AM
> > >>>>> To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> > >>>>> Subject: [junkfaxDiscussion] I will sell my
> > faxes for $10 each
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> No contract obligating me to put in thousands
> > of dollars like with
> > >>>>> faxrecovery (I read the contract in March) and
> > those other scammers.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You get the fax and an affidavit stating when
> > and where I
> > > received it
> > >>>>> -  and that's it.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
>
>            
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secret.squirrel,

I will not express my opinion one way or the other about the
the interchanges with "that lady", but I hope you will stick
around and continue to post so that we can ALL help each other
here.

- h

--

This is the topic:  "I will sell my faxes for $10 each"

If you think it's spam, have it deleted.  Better yet, sue me.

I posted this topic because I got tired of you morons talking about
faxrecoverysystems without ever reading the contract.

Now that we've discussed the contract -- OFF TOPIC because you can't
shut up -- I hope it's clear to everybody with half a brain that it's
not good idea to sign that contract.

America is a country in rapid decline and I'm on my way out.  I
learned that trying to teach people how to think, how to help
themselves and how to avoid getting screwed.

I learned through my efforts that Americans are lazy, stupid, greedy,
ignorant or selfish morons -- and any combination thereof.  Well, all
except for 1 in 1,000, or so.

I still feel sorry for the people who get scammed and I got this
response from an expat in Nicaragua:

"Today, I look at this stuff as "if people lose their money then they
pay less taxes which means less people get killed around the world". I
understand it is the little guy that gets suckered in but, here, the
little guy can't because he has no more money than that which might
buy rice for today. Sorta makes the whole thing look very different."

That pretty much sums it up.  I still feel bad for people who get
scammed, but I'm working on putting it in a different perspective.
And if I had thought of that quote before I posted, I wouldn't have
wasted my time.

If I really thought somebody wanted to buy my faxes for $10 each, I
can just post that at my own sites where I don't have to put up with
your BS and I have a LOT more traffic.

"If people lose their money then they pay less taxes which means less
people get killed around the world"

So, this group is all yours, enjoy.

"If people lose their money then they pay less taxes which means less
people get killed around the world"

Christine

PS:  "If people lose their money then they pay less taxes which means
less people get killed around the world"

--- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
wrote:
> secret.squirrel,
>
> I will not express my opinion one way or the other about the
> the interchanges with "that lady", but I hope you will stick
> around and continue to post so that we can ALL help each other
> here.
>
> - h
>
> --

You must run in different circles than I.  The Americans I know are
friendly, generous, hard-working contributors to society.  Well, all
except for 1 in a 1,000 or so.  I agree that there is a lot wrong with
our society and that's a topic for another forum.  But in society, as in
most things in life, you find what you look for.  If you look for
stupidity, greediness and avarice, you will find it.  I've found MUCH
better.

Shel :0)

>
>
> I learned through my efforts that Americans are lazy, stupid, greedy,
> ignorant or selfish morons -- and any combination thereof.  Well, all
> except for 1 in 1,000, or so.

Christine Baker was heard to say....

> If you think it's spam, have it deleted.  Better yet, sue me.

I must be coming into the middle of a conversation that started elsewhere...
How can someone be sued over an opinion, which is what - I think - was
presented? Any judge worth a hill of beans would toss that in a hurry!

> I posted this topic because I got tired of you morons talking
> about faxrecoverysystems without ever reading the contract.

Ummmm... Calling other people names will NOT encourage anyone to listen.
That is, I assume, the desired goal!?!? Insulting someone will NOT help, no
matter what kind of facts or reasoned argument that is presented. Work is
needed on people skills...

> Now that we've discussed the contract -- OFF TOPIC because
> you can't shut up -- I hope it's clear to everybody with half
> a brain that it's not good idea to sign that contract.

We have!?!?!? Where???? When??? Must have missed that conversation too. So,
I can't be persuaded to one side or the other on this 'argument' as I've not
heard it. Nor am I willing to listen if that consists only of name calling.
Facts, my dear, facts. So far, I haven't heard any...

Did this message get cross-posted into the wrong group!?!?

> America is a country in rapid decline and I'm on my way out.
> I learned that trying to teach people how to think, how to
> help themselves and how to avoid getting screwed.
>
> I learned through my efforts that Americans are lazy, stupid,
> greedy, ignorant or selfish morons -- and any combination
> thereof.  Well, all except for 1 in 1,000, or so.

Ahhhh.... So America (the US, I guess you mean) is going down the tubes?
Interesting! What facts support this statement? People have been predicting
the fall of the US from the day we declared our independence. Hasn't
happened yet! Americans may have a lot of faults, but quitting isn't one of
them. Nothing is ever accomplished by just giving up.

If you're feelings on the topic are that sincere on the wish to leave, feel
free! Bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

> I still feel sorry for the people who get scammed and I got
> this response from an expat in Nicaragua:

Huh??? We're talking about the infamous Nigerian scam messages now??? Where
someone claims they are holding millions (or trillions) of dollars and need
YOU'RE help?!!? Gee, how can anyone turn down an offer like that? ;-)

Seriously, I am quite aware of how many people are taken in by scams. The
sophistication and level of deception found within those continues to
improve all the time. As a matter of routine, I include at least one
screenshot of a new type in every issue of my newsletter I mail out to my
customers. Have heard a few 'thank-you's on that topic, which is why I
continue it.

Sorry, it seems this response is traveling through a lot of different
topics. Pardon my confusion and digression...

> If I really thought somebody wanted to buy my faxes for $10
> each, I can just post that at my own sites where I don't have
> to put up with your BS and I have a LOT more traffic.

Okay... I think we're back on topic for the junk-fax-discussion list.
Someone wants to buy someone's junk faxes for $10??? Who??? When was this
offer made??? I'd really like to know more before I commented further.

> "If people lose their money then they pay less taxes which
> means less people get killed around the world"

???? Someone said this???? In reference to what? I can buy into a statement
about bankruptcy or poverty leading to less tax money. But, how does that
connect to people getting killed? Sorry, that line of reasoning got lost in
translation...

BTW, any reason why this statement was repeated 3 times? Stating something
over and over and over does NOT make it true.

> So, this group is all yours, enjoy.

Ahhhh... The perennial favorite threat... "I'm leaving because <insert
reason here>." <*sigh*>

A group such as this gathers together out of a common goal. In this case, we
are gathered together out of a sincere desire to stop abuse of our time,
money, and resources by those who send out junk faxes. We know our efforts
in reaching that goal can be made easier by working together. Putting aside
our personal issues with each other or differences of opinion on various
topics may be required and should be expected. Let's keep our focus on the
prize to be won here, after all!

<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>
Irene M. Kraus a.k.a. The Computer Lady!
Web Development, CBT, Graphic Design - www.design-comp.com
President/Webmaster Computer Erie Bay User Group - www.cebug.org

Christine,

Check this out:

http://www.medscape.com/psychiatryhome

Trust me, you need it.


--- Christine Baker <christine@...> wrote:

> This is the topic:  "I will sell my faxes for $10
> each"
>
> If you think it's spam, have it deleted.  Better
> yet, sue me.
>
> I posted this topic because I got tired of you
> morons talking about
> faxrecoverysystems without ever reading the
> contract.
>
> Now that we've discussed the contract -- OFF TOPIC
> because you can't
> shut up -- I hope it's clear to everybody with half
> a brain that it's
> not good idea to sign that contract.
>
> America is a country in rapid decline and I'm on my
> way out.  I
> learned that trying to teach people how to think,
> how to help
> themselves and how to avoid getting screwed.
>
> I learned through my efforts that Americans are
> lazy, stupid, greedy,
> ignorant or selfish morons -- and any combination
> thereof.  Well, all
> except for 1 in 1,000, or so.
>
> I still feel sorry for the people who get scammed
> and I got this
> response from an expat in Nicaragua:
>
> "Today, I look at this stuff as "if people lose
> their money then they
> pay less taxes which means less people get killed
> around the world". I
> understand it is the little guy that gets suckered
> in but, here, the
> little guy can't because he has no more money than
> that which might
> buy rice for today. Sorta makes the whole thing look
> very different."
>
> That pretty much sums it up.  I still feel bad for
> people who get
> scammed, but I'm working on putting it in a
> different perspective.
> And if I had thought of that quote before I posted,
> I wouldn't have
> wasted my time.
>
> If I really thought somebody wanted to buy my faxes
> for $10 each, I
> can just post that at my own sites where I don't
> have to put up with
> your BS and I have a LOT more traffic.
>
> "If people lose their money then they pay less taxes
> which means less
> people get killed around the world"
>
> So, this group is all yours, enjoy.
>
> "If people lose their money then they pay less taxes
> which means less
> people get killed around the world"
>
> Christine
>
> PS:  "If people lose their money then they pay less
> taxes which means
> less people get killed around the world"
>
> --- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, Howard
> Siegel <hsiegel@p...>
> wrote:
> > secret.squirrel,
> >
> > I will not express my opinion one way or the other
> about the
> > the interchanges with "that lady", but I hope you
> will stick
> > around and continue to post so that we can ALL
> help each other
> > here.
> >
> > - h
> >
> > --
>
>
>
>




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Just damn.

Hi-

I've been getting junk faxes to my home voice line from ActiveCore (or
its subsidiaries) from 1-416-621-2694.  (I managed to intercept one by
forwarding it to an actual fax machine---it was an ad for sending out
junk faxes).  Despite following their instructions, I can't seem to
get off their list.

If anyone else is in this predicament, you might want to go to their
investor forum at:

http://www.agoracom.com/nonmemforum/main.asp?topic=ActiveCore+Technologies

They're a publicly traded company---maybe if enough people complain,
they will take complaints more seriously.

-Mike

On the other hand, if one had permission to send a fax or an EBR (and a fax
number given for the purpose of sending faxes or the fax number published in
a directory or on the internet), then one wouldn't have to waste the $ to
purchase the fax number from InfoUSA.

Ergo, it would seem that any entity that is not exempt from the TCPA that
purchases fax numbers from InfoUSA must be doing so for illegal activity...

Jim

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Blau" <rblau@...>
> To: "Junk fax plaintiff's litigtion support forum"
> <junkfax-l@...>
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Junkfax-l] InfoUSA broadcaster
>
>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Greg Geismann Show MO Legal wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Demand letter sent to potential defendant advertising weight loss
>>> program
>>>
>>> Potential defendant responds that my client's fax number "was  purchased
>>> from one
>>> of the most reputable companies in the country, InfoUSA."
>>>
>>> What is the scoop on InfoUSA?  Are there any pending law suits /
>>> anecdotal
>>> experiences with this company?  Do they even exist?
>>
>> Purchasing a fax number from a reputable company is NOT a defense to  the
>> junk fax provisions of the TCPA.
>>
>> InfoUSA is a reputable company and the certainly exist.They sell data
>> that telemarketers, among others use.  I've never heard any  allegation
>> that InfoUSA has violated the law.
>>
>> Robert Blau
>> Attorney at Law
>> 55 Morris Avenue
>> Springfield, NJ 07081
>>
>> 973-564-9003
>> fax 973-564-9071
>>
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I might have hit the jackpot!?
I got a local fax (tx) from Drive Time.
I called and the guy that answered the phone said that the guy that
sent them out "Has been told not to do that any more".

do ya'll think there is anything I can do?

Sandy

I've been receiving faxes for mortgages from "Mortgage Services" for the past
month or so. I
haven't been able to trace the calls and haven't found any info on the phone
numbers.
Anyone had any luck tracking this one down?

"Call Now 800-949-3520" with a removal of "800-301-1092"

Thanks!

Although I hate to waste my time, I hate the junk faxes just as much.
So lately I've decided to have some fun and hopefully make them waste
some money.

I'll call the number for Mortgage Services, loans etc... and tell them
i am interested in refinancing my mortgage. The operator, after taking
some basic information transfers my call to the company that actually
pays to have the faxes sent out.  I give them a fake name, address
etc... I
tell them my house is worth about $950,000 and I have about $200,000
left on my mortage. I want to refinance and pull about $500,000 in
equity for a business I am starting.  At this point, the rep is all
excited, with visions of commissions dancing through his head.  I
discuss several proposals with them and then insist that they FedX me
the available options for me to review. I tell them I do not want the
proposals in email they must be in writing.  9 out of 10 times they
agree to FedX the information to me.  I estimate that they will spend
anywhere between $20 and $40 to send me the information which is going
to a non-existant address. Just make sure that the zip code matches
whatever town or city you use.

I wonder how long it would take them to stop paying for junk faxes if
we all did that!  It makes me feel good knowing I've wasted just a
little of their profits.

If you happen to be bored one day or a little slow a work give it a try.

--- In junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "design_west"
<design_west@y...> wrote:
>
> I've been receiving faxes for mortgages from "Mortgage Services" for
the past month or so. I
> haven't been able to trace the calls and haven't found any info on
the phone numbers.
> Anyone had any luck tracking this one down?
>
> "Call Now 800-949-3520" with a removal of "800-301-1092"
>
> Thanks!
>

>It makes me feel good knowing I've wasted just a little of their profits.

you know, getting a fedex from them with a valid return address would
give you just about everything you need to file suit against them (at
the very least, an address for a cease and desist or demand letter).
Technically, there may be some (although remotely possibly) legal
trouble you could get in for providing all the fraudulent info.  Plus,
they may not realize you were referred by a junk fax.  Could have been
via a spam email, a legit referral via junk mail, etc.  No way to
verify that the rejection is associated with the junk fax.  Cathartic?
yes.  effective? probably not.

I am new to this list, however I have sued and won over a dozen cases
so far and have collected on almost every single one. Since I am a
licensed Private Investigator, I do have a few more tools at my
fingertips than the average person. I just received a new fax today and
it stated that it conforms to November, 2005 faxing guidelines. I have
no idea what they are talking about and have tried to research any new
laws and havent found anything new. The fax comes from New York and I
am wondering if there is some sort of new law there. Obviously I cannot
sue this company in small claims court, but could of course file a
class action suit if I wanted to. The one interesting thing I saw on
this fax is a reference to contribute to a Reputable American Charities
dedicated to helping hurricane victims. I am wondering if they think
that since they have something on there for advertising a non-profit,
if they feel that they are exempt.

-----Original Message-----
From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:22 PM
To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [junkfaxDiscussion] A new one

I am new to this list, however I have sued and won over a dozen cases
so far and have collected on almost every single one. Since I am a
licensed Private Investigator, I do have a few more tools at my
fingertips than the average person. I just received a new fax today and
it stated that it conforms to November, 2005 faxing guidelines. I have
no idea what they are talking about and have tried to research any new
laws and havent found anything new. The fax comes from New York and I
am wondering if there is some sort of new law there. Obviously I cannot
sue this company in small claims court, but could of course file a
class action suit if I wanted to. The one interesting thing I saw on
this fax is a reference to contribute to a Reputable American Charities
dedicated to helping hurricane victims. I am wondering if they think
that since they have something on there for advertising a non-profit,
if they feel that they are exempt.

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From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Koury
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:09 PM
To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [junkfaxDiscussion] A new one

There is no new law that would allow him to fax to you. He is lying.

 

 

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From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of secret.squirrel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM
To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [junkfaxDiscussion] A new one

 

I had a run in with a company that spam-faxed our home based office.  They claimed they had every right to fax us unsolicited due to a change in some new law, but the guy couldn't tell me the law or anything about it.  After a good 10 minute arguement and a threat from my lawyer for his company to stop faxing us (we filed legal complaint, and they turned around and now we get atleast 10 a day, and not to the number the business is registered on, no -- these are to the personal line.  This jerk turned around and since we send the cease and decist, he must've gotten us on some other blaster line because they're burning it up alteast 10 faxes a day now.  I wish I knew about this new law, because I'd like to drive to Washington state and strangle this bastard.

 

Sorry for my language there, but this is ridiculous who these people think they are.  You would think a simple remove me would suffice, but no -- you have to threaten them, spend your own money to sue them and now there's some law that he claims gives him the right to ring our phones at 3am when our children are sleeping.  So help me he better never see me in a dark alley...

 

Please fill us in if you find out anything about this law, if it exists and what it entails, because at this point, I myself am out for blood against this last one we dealt with.

 

Thanks again

Josh LaDow,

Compu-Tek, LLC.

http://www.purgweb.com

http://www.dedicate-it.net

 

-----Original Message-----
From: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com [mailto:junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:22 PM
To: junkfaxDiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [junkfaxDiscussion] A new one

I am new to this list, however I have sued and won over a dozen cases
so far and have collected on almost every single one. Since I am a
licensed Private Investigator, I do have a few more tools at my
fingertips than the average person. I just received a new fax today and
it stated that it conforms to November, 2005 faxing guidelines. I have
no idea what they are talking about and have tried to research any new
laws and havent found anything new. The fax comes from New York and I
am wondering if there is some sort of new law there. Obviously I cannot
sue this company in small claims court, but could of course file a
class action suit if I wanted to. The one interesting thing I saw on
this fax is a reference to contribute to a Reputable American Charities
dedicated to helping hurricane victims. I am wondering if they think
that since they have something on there for advertising a non-profit,
if they feel that they are exempt.

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On 12:18 PM 12/28/2005, Joe Huff wrote:
>there probably is a new law that has passed, because certain idiots started
taking advantage of suing people and making a decent living by doing so.....

"taking advantage" of suing people for sending out unsolicited (illegal) faxes?
There is no such thing as being able to "take advantage"  of those kinds of
people.  I applaud anyone, who files actions against the IDIOTS who do the
illegal faxing to begin with.