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Re: Disappointed with Agile 2009 stage options

I agree! If there is no "breaking acts" stage, what is the community
doing to encourage innovation?

I will bring it up at XTC in London this evening. Hopefully Rachel
will be there.

David

--- In kanbandev@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kerievsky" <jlk@...> wrote:
>
> David -- I'd suggest that you email the top folks involved in the
> organization of the conference this year. Perhaps you can help to
> consolidate and improve the number of stages -- it is still early
enough to
> make these changes.
>
> I think a Breaking Acts stage is essential. Maybe they just need
some folks
> to step up to be producers of it?
>
> best
> jk
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:28 AM, David J Anderson <netherby_uk@...>wrote:
>
> > So Agile 2009 is off and running...
> >
> > I've been checking out the different stages and wondering what to
> > submit. Look here...
http://agile2009.agilealliance.org/participate.html
> >
> > I will submit something to the main stage and I have a good idea what
> > that will be. But I also wanted to submit either (a) something about
> > my emerging strategically aligned prioritization scheme that guys such
> > as Karl have adopted - the commodity, differentiator, spoiler, cost
> > saver model or (b) something on establishing classes of service in a
> > kanban system using cost of delay functions.
> >
> > I'm actually really struggling to see where any kanban sessions will
> > go other than perhaps some stuff on tooling in the Tools for Agility
> > stage.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I find myself very disappointed with the stage options.
> > There seems to be a lack of range and over duplication. What, for
> > example, is the difference between Agile Adoption and Agile &
> > Organizational Culture? The abstract for the latter suggests that you
> > should submit "if you have had challenges adopting agile". Hmmm.
> >
> > And what is the difference between Agile Product Management and
> > Customers & Business Value?
> >
> > It appears looking from the outside that stage submissions were
> > considered on individual merit without any portfolio management level
> > coordination to avoid duplication.
> >
> > Chris Matts, you are normally the voice of reason on these things?
> > What is happening? Or perhaps I'll just ask Rachel at XTC tonight? ;-)
> >
> > If anyone would like to suggest the best stage to submit kanban
> > proposals, I am sure there are several folks on this list who would
> > appreciate the guidance.
> >
> > David
> > http://www.agilemanagement.net/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> best regards,
> jk
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So Agile 2009 is off and running... I've been checking out the different stages and wondering what to submit. Look here......
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2008/12/2 David J Anderson <netherby_uk@...> ... I had the same reaction - no Breaking Acts or Questioning Agile. I wondered whether Manifesting...
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I guess we're supposed to be done Questioning Agile at this point? ;) michael...
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Of course. It excludes people like me...... Practitioners! ;-) ... From: "Michael Maham" <michael.maham@...> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:03:53 To:...
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voice of reason = frothy mouthed fanatic? The language this group uses is most strange. I suggest the "telliing our stories" for a bunch of people, possibly...
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David -- I'd suggest that you email the top folks involved in the organization of the conference this year. Perhaps you can help to consolidate and improve...
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If the breaking acts stage re-emerges I would be happy to help (a bit). Cheers Mark On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Joshua Kerievsky ... -- Cheers Mark...
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2008/12/2 Mark Levison <mark@...> ... Me too. I'll also email the organisers asking/suggesting. The more of us that make a noise the better :) Karl ...
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May I suggest that whatever comments are made to the Agile 2009 working group they reflect the hard work and effort these people have put into organizing the...
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I had a conversation with Ahmed Sidky (Program Committee Chair for Agile 2009), here's what I learned: Thank you for your feedback. Concerning Kanban, I think...
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Mark You may find a home for practical psychology and cognition on the real option yahoo group. Its pretty much the only thing olav and I discuss when we are...
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... What is the yahoo group? I've done some digging and can't find it. Cheers Mark Blog: http://www.notesfromatooluser.com/ Recent Entries: Agile/Scrum...
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Mark, I think you've grossly misinterpreted my statements about a Breaking Acts or Questioning Agile stage. It's that people won't do innovation if there is no...
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Slight correction... It's *NOT* that people won't do innovation if there is no stage at the conference, but that innovation will not get a fair shake in the ...
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... Then make a Breaking Acts conference with a spirit like RubyFringe <http://rubyfringe.com/>. Alternately: make a submission that stands out. All the...
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Brian, I appreciate these comments. There is some good advice here that deserves a wider audience and a more prominent position. It also reflects a real shift...
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Just to note that the "Research Stage" is different, and those papers submitted there are still reviewed by a program committee in the traditional way, and if...
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2008/12/6 Brian Marick <marick@...> ... That's a really interesting idea. What would it take to find a nearby pub to have some Agile Fringe...
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The idea of a fringe event modeled on the Edinburgh Fringe has been suggested in the past - the APLN talked about it. It's viable because you have a...
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On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM, David J Anderson ... Related to Fringe's - Birds of a Feather? The last MS related conference I attended had some excellent...
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... Fringe Stage at Agile2009. IMHO, it isn't yet time to pull the plug on this stuff being at Agile2009. That conference has lots of people who need to ...
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2008/12/8 Joshua Kerievsky <jlk@...> ... With reference to the other email I've just sent on this thread... Using the Open Jam as a base gives...
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... Makes sense to me Karl. --jk...
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Joshua is right. It is too early to give up on getting something added to the official program. In off list discussions with Johanna Rothman, it is looking...
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2008/12/8 David J Anderson <netherby_uk@...> ... Would a Lean Fringe be focussed enough? I also just went and looked at the Open Jam page, which I'd...
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... coaching and ... collaborators. ... Greetings Mark, Long time! I would be interested in learning more but not sure I am at a level of understanding of...
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Mark, ... addition ... the ... (and ... things ... What aspect of "Cognition and Psychology" is a breaking act? Matt...
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Mark, ... Ah.. I am not a coach hence the disconnect. Cognitive psychology has been around for a while in the field of usability though. Matt...
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