Re: Fellow travelers, it is time to free kanban from the shackles of its origin!
So now I understand why so many of these reported kanban systems make me
uncomfortable: the batch size is too large, the WIP is too high vesus whay I
would expect
an Agile team to be doing.
Things as big as entire features are far too large to track and manage
programming work.
>
> Hence, if we want to track how developed something is we ask how much
> information has arrived and give stages of arrival names for
> convenience. [...]
> Regardless of whether there are handoffs or not we can still manage it
> with kanban. There is benefit in limiting WIP and pulling value through.
>
> David
>
> --- In kanbandev@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Sanders" <aremsan@> wrote:
> >
> > I think software does go through phases, just how big/long to they
> have to be? How big do
>
So now I understand why so many of these reported kanban systems make me uncomfortable: the batch size is too large, the WIP is too high vesus whay I would...
Karl, ... Maybe it's just a difference in our definitions of the jargon, but I'd say you could break that down into 4 levels: 1. The MMF (where an MMF is made...
Hi, I think this is what makes me (and others) most uncomfortable. Stating that there are phases, implies that work happens sequential. Personally, I don't...
Hi, Actually, we rarely use and barely mention value stream maps, for several reasons... Inside development it is not always the right tool to use. Bas...
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... Hi, ... Well, thats not always easy. I'd consider anything from the requirement in to the product out to be SW development. Within that frame, there are...
Bas This is a very leading statement. So what ideas do you think David will come up with? or in other words..... What are the implications of test after v test...
... I was fully trained in Lean back in 1996. Only then they were calling it TQM. It was at a big US company and we tried to use lean techniques foe...
Hi Paul, Thanks for the insights. It is not often we have someone join us who can claim TQM, CMM Assessor and XP practitioner, glad you could join in the ...
Hi Robin, Thanks for the welcome. I guess what lay behind my many statements was a question. How does feedback work in Kanban? In manufacturing, you can rely...
Paul, In our Kanban framework, we have feedback in a lot of the same ways we would in an XP fashion. The engineering practices are similar (TDD, sometimes...
Hi Eric, Dave, Thanks for the responses. How does improving the process (rather than improving the product) fit into this? I'm thinking of velocity,...
Paul, I am not sure I am following the question. Are you saying how do you improve the kanban process? Or how does this process improvement (encouraging test...
... Hi Eric, The breakthrough for me when applying Kiazen (change for the better) to software development, was realising that developing software was far too...
A goal of the design of the Scrumban process was to include evolutionary states that were a strict superset of Scrum. So, most of the iterations of Scrumban...
Paul, Can you be more specific? Exactly what was sketchy and where would you like to see more detail? This is the kind of feedback we need to in order to...
... Hi David, First of all I should declare that I'm sceptical, which isn't always a bad thing. But I am genuinely interested otherwise I wouldn't be here. Who...
Hi Paul, I appreciate your perspective and it's interesting to see how details are being perceived. First off I agree with you much of what we're doing with...
Hi David, I'm not looking to fall out with anyone :) I am truly trying to understand. I'm glad that you acknowledge that pull, kanban, or whatever you choose...
... I agree. See also what Jeff Patton used to call "span planning". <http://agileproductdesign.com/writing/how_you_slice_it.pdf> I think there's still a lot...
... Hi Karl, Brain, I understand. Yes this stuff does take effort, but for me it is also very important. Here is where the product vision is turned into...
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