Hi, Currently our Kanban tracks larger BVIs (we call them features) rather than user stories. At first I was skeptical but it turns out our customers really...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 8:50 am
... We have 3 "fixed" developer teams, and a maintenance team that is made up of 1 or 2 developers out of each development team. And it rotates when a ...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 8:56 am
Good point. In pre-sales, the work being done is probably "customers" that could move through "columns" like workshop etc. I think the exactly sequence of...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Aug 1, 2011 9:16 am
Hello, Kurt. It seems to me that the "real problem" is with your strategy, now with how you represent your kanban. No amount of fiddling with cards on the wall...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 11:00 am
The strategy with promises based on wishful thinking rather than actual measurements is problematic, sure, and the first step to fixing that is having...
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Eb
amaeze77
Aug 1, 2011 11:05 am
... We do something but we work hard at identifying the smallest BVI (and it's never really the complete feature). I don't know much about your environment...
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Mike Burrows
asplake
Aug 1, 2011 11:16 am
... It's hard to see you getting much (if any) benefit from classes of service until you can identify some features that need more managed more carefully than...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 11:27 am
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Eb <amaeze@...> wrote: We do something but we work hard at identifying the smallest BVI (and ... That doesn't seem to...
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Eb
amaeze77
Aug 1, 2011 11:41 am
... Really? I'm not sure I've ever seen software solutions that were both all or nothing and yet so long (duration wise). Interesting. ... and the fixed date...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 11:41 am
... We have 4 classes of service available now, but only fixed date gets used. We need to work on getting people to feel comfortable with the other 3. We have...
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Mike Burrows
asplake
Aug 1, 2011 12:32 pm
... Ah - the kind of work I was referring to would fit come in under "intangible". To achieve a similar effect, ho much effort can be reallocated flexibly...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 1, 2011 1:11 pm
... It is just an internal thing. I don't know if we have really lost much tracking ability. Before we had large multi-month projects represented by a single...
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alshalloway
Aug 1, 2011 1:30 pm
... If this is true then you have eliminated discovery in your process. I would say you are not doing Kanban or even Agile. Their are two ways to avoid the...
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alshalloway
Aug 1, 2011 1:32 pm
Our experience has been that although you can 'kanbanize' upstream, the real value upstream is: 1) managing the workload that hits the team 2) ensuring the...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Aug 1, 2011 4:52 pm
Hi Kurt, When I think of BVI, I think of the value, rather than the implementation. So I don't think of a BVI as having fixed scope. Further, when you do seem...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Aug 1, 2011 4:53 pm
This seems relevant to these lists aswell! Karl ... From: Mary Poppendieck <mary@...> Date: 1 August 2011 14:27 Subject: [leandevelopment] CFP -...
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joanielsmith
Aug 2, 2011 2:01 am
My team has been practicing Kanban for about a year now with good success. Prior to Kanban we ran on two week sprints. We kept our every other week...
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Alan Shalloway
alshalloway
Aug 2, 2011 3:15 am
In particular, Kurt said: “The Kanban community and literature seems to be settling on indivisible BVIs rather than prioritized user stories” I don’t...
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Rajith Raveendranath
rajithr
Aug 2, 2011 4:26 am
Hi You could have a separate swim lane for the support team, thus your support queries will not affect the WIP of your dev/maint lane. In our team earlier we...
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Yuval Yeret
yuvalyeret
Aug 2, 2011 4:51 am
Alan, I agree with your point here and certainly recommend breaking BVIs to smaller pieces so they can flow am get at least internal feedback faster. Im ...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 2, 2011 7:11 am
Those 4 points you listed, are they not the sort of thing that Kanban is ideal for? Or do you mean the people involved upstream should pay attention to or...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 2, 2011 7:30 am
Very interesting. This wasn't at all clear to me despite paying a reasonable amount of attention to the community and list etc. Now I am having trouble...
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Zsolt Fabok
zsoltfabok
Aug 2, 2011 8:17 am
Hi, Try out the following: have a machine where the latest version of your product is available so that the product owner can have a look at any time. Send out...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Aug 2, 2011 9:42 am
... If only two of your bags came out, would you go home anyway, or stay at the airport waiting until the third showed up? If you knew in advance that only two...
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Eb
amaeze77
Aug 2, 2011 10:52 am
Kurt - I think what most of us are saying (or at least I am) is that whether it be BVI (or user stories or whatever) that is delivered, it should be the ...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 2, 2011 11:26 am
Oh I agree 100%, I have spent the last 2 years "advocating" the delivery of smaller increments, and a whole heap of other cool things. We might get there one...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 2, 2011 11:40 am
... Actually I hit reply too quick. That did happen, and after a discussion we ended up with features that have a maximum estimated 30 day development time. So...
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Eb
amaeze77
Aug 2, 2011 11:55 am
... So it's acceptable for your customers to defer any bit of value until all their features are available? Are you customers making this call or this part of...
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Kurt Häusler
kurt.haeusler
Aug 2, 2011 12:28 pm
... I don't believe they think they are deferring value, and in a lot of cases they are possibly right. I am trying to think of a way of describing this ...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Aug 2, 2011 12:39 pm
... Are they making money now, doing what they do without the product, or with some different product? If so, what one thing would help them make money more...
