Hi David, 2008/12/31 davidpeterjoyce <dpjoyce@...> ... I assume you are referring to my session about 'Dimensional Pull' at the XPDays in London? I...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jan 1, 2009 8:01 pm
2008/12/31 davidpeterjoyce <dpjoyce@...> ... Hi I'm curious as to whether you heard that from me? It wasn't my intent if it was! For me, the single...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 1, 2009 10:56 pm
Koen, Your post is filled with assumptions and seems to be anticipating others' intent. Ironically, a big part of Peter Coad's teaching was that you should...
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davidpeterjoyce
Jan 2, 2009 10:59 am
... The conference looks awesome, however I wont be able to attend as my wife is due! Will any of the sessions be recorded? or are there any plans to run a ...
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davidpeterjoyce
Jan 2, 2009 11:06 am
Hey Karl, No this wasnt from you, I heard it from a couple of folks in the breaks and in the audience discussion for your KFC session. Your definition is how I...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jan 2, 2009 11:16 am
2009/1/2 davidpeterjoyce <dpjoyce@...> ... There has been talk of a European conference. Assuming the Miami one is a success I'd like to see whether EMC...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 2, 2009 6:00 pm
I am definitely interested in organizing a European event for after the late summer early autumn - as soon as schools are back in session. Let's get past the...
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Koen Van Exem
koenvanexem
Jan 3, 2009 12:14 am
Hi David, 2009/1/1 David J Anderson <netherby_uk@...> ... I am just observing and analyzing. I will try to clarify myself more in depth. ... The main...
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Corey Ladas
corey.ladas
Jan 3, 2009 1:04 am
In my defense, I did write in several places in the book about the benefits of cross-training, flexible roles, and situational specialization. I was not...
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Corey Ladas
corey.ladas
Jan 3, 2009 1:31 am
Koen, I have been meaning to write about this for a while now. Backflows are good or bad depending on why they happen. Backflows that result from the...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jan 3, 2009 1:43 am
I disagree, Corey. Backflows are ALWAYS good. Something bad might have happened to require the backflow, but that's not the backflow's fault. We should embrace...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 3, 2009 1:47 am
Koen, There is so much nonsense and speculation in what you write I hardly know where to start. Comments inline... ... Sorry! I fail to compute any of this. In...
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Corey Ladas
corey.ladas
Jan 3, 2009 2:04 am
Dan, I probably agree with you, and we've only stumbled across some tricky semantics. Let me try this: We want to train people to pull the andon cord--to...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 3, 2009 6:48 am
Hi, Not want to get too much in this rather unfriendly discussion, but anyways... couple minor points. ... If you are refering here to TDD on unit level, then...
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chris.matts@...
chrisjmatts1968
Jan 3, 2009 12:36 pm
Dan Agree except one situation. The same identified cause causes a backflow. I.e. Someone STILL aint doin their job right. Chris ... From: Dan Rawsthorne...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 3, 2009 6:25 pm
... You clearly don't understand FDD. In FDD features are tiny. A Feature leads to a single sequence diagram - often only 2 or 3 methods on 2 or 3 classes. So...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jan 4, 2009 12:39 am
No, the levels are different. A TDD test is for up to 10 lines of code, usually. The way I understand both XP and FDD, an FDD feature is equivalent to an XP...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 4, 2009 1:03 am
Hi, ... You clearly favor starting every discussion stating that the other person doesn't understand the subject. ... Yes, I know. So, a TDD cycle might be...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 4, 2009 3:52 am
HI, Sorry for the late reply. Your thoughtful reply required some thinking :) ... Agree. ... Oki. But then (as you do later) you assume a very short...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jan 4, 2009 3:58 am
That's a good thing to know. It's not the backflow's problem, but it is your team's problem. Dan Rawsthorne, PhD, CST Senior Coach, Danube Technologies ...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 4, 2009 4:06 am
Historically an FDD feature results in between 80 and 130 lines of Java. I don't have data for other languages. If there are typically 5 classes in a feature...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 4, 2009 6:31 am
Hi David, I don't think Koen is in this part of the discussion (and Dan is certainly not Koen!). 10 lines of new code for one test, would be a lot in a TDD...
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David J Anderson
netherby_uk
Jan 4, 2009 6:45 am
Bas, This has degenerated into a pointless argument about how many lines of code are typed at any given point in time. Koen originally argued that the...
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brucemount@...
brucemount
Jan 4, 2009 10:23 am
David: Well said. --Bruce netherby_uk@... writes: ....There aren't any factions. There are aren't any prescriptions for processes. Nor would we want to...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 4, 2009 10:30 am
Hi David, ... The discussion is whether a TDD and a FDD cycle is comparable. This was one of the arguments you made in your discussion with Koen. I'm merely...
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John A. De Goes
jdegoes
Jan 4, 2009 4:47 pm
The greater the separation between design and implementation, the less information is available to motivate the design. The less detailed the design, the...
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Brad Appleton
bradapp1
Jan 4, 2009 4:48 pm
... 100% agree ... It defines the product-wide "train schedule" (cadence) of product-wide planning points/intervals between the starting point and final ...
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Matt Heusser
heusserm
Jan 4, 2009 6:04 pm
David, I believe you comments below were uncalled for. I urge you to seek first to understand. If this kind of feedback is unhelpful to the list owners, I can...
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Jan 4, 2009 8:46 pm
I have to say that I'm with Matt on this one. There is a great deal to be learned in professional arguments, such as the lengthy and involved discussion...
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Bas Vodde
basvodde
Jan 4, 2009 11:55 pm
Hi Brad, ... Yes, I think this is a good summary. Thanks for the discussion. You helped me see better how asyncrhonous independend iterations (or then even...
