Koen, Your post is filled with assumptions and seems to be anticipating others' intent. Ironically, a big part of Peter Coad's teaching was that you should...
... The conference looks awesome, however I wont be able to attend as my wife is due! Will any of the sessions be recorded? or are there any plans to run a ...
Hey Karl, No this wasnt from you, I heard it from a couple of folks in the breaks and in the audience discussion for your KFC session. Your definition is how I...
2009/1/2 davidpeterjoyce <dpjoyce@...> ... There has been talk of a European conference. Assuming the Miami one is a success I'd like to see whether EMC...
I am definitely interested in organizing a European event for after the late summer early autumn - as soon as schools are back in session. Let's get past the...
Hi David, 2009/1/1 David J Anderson <netherby_uk@...> ... I am just observing and analyzing. I will try to clarify myself more in depth. ... The main...
In my defense, I did write in several places in the book about the benefits of cross-training, flexible roles, and situational specialization. I was not...
Koen, I have been meaning to write about this for a while now. Backflows are good or bad depending on why they happen. Backflows that result from the...
I disagree, Corey. Backflows are ALWAYS good. Something bad might have happened to require the backflow, but that's not the backflow's fault. We should embrace...
Koen, There is so much nonsense and speculation in what you write I hardly know where to start. Comments inline... ... Sorry! I fail to compute any of this. In...
Dan, I probably agree with you, and we've only stumbled across some tricky semantics. Let me try this: We want to train people to pull the andon cord--to...
Hi, Not want to get too much in this rather unfriendly discussion, but anyways... couple minor points. ... If you are refering here to TDD on unit level, then...
Dan Agree except one situation. The same identified cause causes a backflow. I.e. Someone STILL aint doin their job right. Chris ... From: Dan Rawsthorne...
... You clearly don't understand FDD. In FDD features are tiny. A Feature leads to a single sequence diagram - often only 2 or 3 methods on 2 or 3 classes. So...
No, the levels are different. A TDD test is for up to 10 lines of code, usually. The way I understand both XP and FDD, an FDD feature is equivalent to an XP...
Hi, ... You clearly favor starting every discussion stating that the other person doesn't understand the subject. ... Yes, I know. So, a TDD cycle might be...
HI, Sorry for the late reply. Your thoughtful reply required some thinking :) ... Agree. ... Oki. But then (as you do later) you assume a very short...
That's a good thing to know. It's not the backflow's problem, but it is your team's problem. Dan Rawsthorne, PhD, CST Senior Coach, Danube Technologies ...
Historically an FDD feature results in between 80 and 130 lines of Java. I don't have data for other languages. If there are typically 5 classes in a feature...
Hi David, I don't think Koen is in this part of the discussion (and Dan is certainly not Koen!). 10 lines of new code for one test, would be a lot in a TDD...
Bas, This has degenerated into a pointless argument about how many lines of code are typed at any given point in time. Koen originally argued that the...
David: Well said. --Bruce netherby_uk@... writes: ....There aren't any factions. There are aren't any prescriptions for processes. Nor would we want to...
Hi David, ... The discussion is whether a TDD and a FDD cycle is comparable. This was one of the arguments you made in your discussion with Koen. I'm merely...
The greater the separation between design and implementation, the less information is available to motivate the design. The less detailed the design, the...
... 100% agree ... It defines the product-wide "train schedule" (cadence) of product-wide planning points/intervals between the starting point and final ...
David, I believe you comments below were uncalled for. I urge you to seek first to understand. If this kind of feedback is unhelpful to the list owners, I can...
I have to say that I'm with Matt on this one. There is a great deal to be learned in professional arguments, such as the lengthy and involved discussion...
Hi Brad, ... Yes, I think this is a good summary. Thanks for the discussion. You helped me see better how asyncrhonous independend iterations (or then even...
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