... Hi Ron Thank you for this reply. If you agree with my note below it will clear up a number of issues I have with XP etc.. I am going to attempt to reflect...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 1:18 pm
... John Business Analysis is a process. That process aims to extract all the relevant information from a number of people. As production manager, you are...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 1:30 pm
... Ron Good points. I do not think I was being clear. The real value of the business analysis process is its ability to ask questions. It can answer them, but...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jun 1, 2009 1:47 pm
Hello, chrismatts1968. On Monday, June 1, 2009, at 9:30:01 AM, you ... Sounds so far like a skill you could teach to a Furbie. :) Ron Jeffries ...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jun 1, 2009 1:56 pm
Hello, chrismatts1968. On Monday, June 1, 2009, at 8:42:24 AM, you ... Yes ... ... I think I understand this. I believe I'd call it Big Analysis Up ... That...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 1:58 pm
... These tools ain't hard to master. It is more attitude than anything. Which is why 97% of the BAs that cannot do it deserve to fall foul of Darwinism....
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 2:49 pm
... Depends how long it takes you to do. We do it in a few hours. Is that "Big"? ... Its not an assumption. More my experience over the last decade or so. Its...
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Brian Marick
briandawnpau...
Jun 1, 2009 3:26 pm
... The latter is interesting. One of the difficulties coaching a new Agile team is teaching them to develop "slicewise" or "sashimi style". That is: given...
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Brian Marick
briandawnpau...
Jun 1, 2009 4:02 pm
Side note... ... Since it appears such movement creates a bottleneck (someone who spends time creating / collecting what a business expert would know), a lean...
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Brian Marick
briandawnpau...
Jun 1, 2009 4:08 pm
... I think you should use the phrase "business coach" instead of having to explain that what you mean by "business analyst" is not what other people mean....
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jun 1, 2009 4:45 pm
Ron and I have a different view on this wrt scrum. In scrum it's not about building the product, it's about maximizing ROI. It is realized that the...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 4:54 pm
... Dan What is the Scrum meaning of ROI? I assume Scrum has one otherwise you cannot maximise it. "elicit the right information from the stakeholders"... Like...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 5:05 pm
... Andy Pols and I proposed the role "Agile Business Coach" a few years ago. When we discussed it at ADC v2, Americans pointed out that the term coach in the...
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Alan Shalloway
alshalloway
Jun 1, 2009 5:30 pm
It is fairly well agreed upon in the arena of product development (which I consider software development to be a subset of) that market risk (defining the...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jun 1, 2009 5:41 pm
It does, but it's not very tasty. I think it's just maximizing business value (a subjective thing) for the amount of effort the team spends. Since the latter...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jun 1, 2009 5:45 pm
When Alan and I worked together we talked about this topic a lot, and we generally agree on it. My only quibble with his analysis below is that only some of...
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Alan Shalloway
alshalloway
Jun 1, 2009 6:05 pm
I don't think we even quibblingly disagree here ;) As long as you agree infrastructure stories should always be linked to stories with business value. Alan...
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Troy Tuttle
troy_tuttle
Jun 1, 2009 7:11 pm
Brian, I am very much in favor (and practitioner) of the slice-wise approach for the reasons you mentioned. We are running with Kanban now, but don't...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 1, 2009 8:37 pm
Hi Brian, 2009/6/1 Brian Marick <marick@...> ... What you have described is what I meant my "implementation and design feedback". The "slicewise"...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 1, 2009 8:59 pm
2009/6/1 Brian Marick <marick@...> ... Business Pimp? -- Karl Scotland Agile Coach http://availagility.wordpress.com/...
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Dan Rawsthorne
drawstho
Jun 1, 2009 9:27 pm
In a metaphorical, if not physical sense, yes. You shouldn't be doing anything unless it leads to business value. We used to discuss adoption of stories, but I...
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Chris
chrisjmatts1968
Jun 1, 2009 10:16 pm
Works for me. :-) Sent from my iPhone On 1 Jun 2009, at 21:59, Karl Scotland <kjscotland@...>...
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jason marshall
jdmarshall@...
Jun 1, 2009 11:42 pm
Within a largish J2EE project about 5 ago now, I switched my (sub)team to this process due to what I saw as an excessive amount of rework. Several people...
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jdn3times
Jun 1, 2009 11:57 pm
... Well, flattery is nice. "Business Analysis is a process." If I understand correctly from other posts in this thread (and related) that doesn't mean that...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jun 2, 2009 12:04 am
... I hold that all stories should have clear business value, and I would not have expressed XP's view the way that Alan did. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com...
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Carey DiJulio
careyd27
Jun 2, 2009 6:59 am
I know I'm pretty late on this - but how about something like: "Kanban is a process for making (local) value streams visible, limiting WIP, and ensuring that...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jun 2, 2009 8:38 am
... Are people looking for a description, or for a definition, in this quest? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Here is Edward Bear,...
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rob_hathaway74
Jun 2, 2009 8:44 am
All, I'd like to announce the creation of a new website: www.limitedwipsociety.org. The Limited WIP Society is intended to be the home of Kanban for the...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 2, 2009 9:40 am
... This is the purpose of the MMF. It is the value that is being sought. It may have one or many stories. The value is normally in the output***. Any work on...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 2, 2009 10:06 am
... If so, "Why?" ( <- That's one, four more to go )...
