Hi Karl When I saw the picture of the circular Kanban board on your blog I immediately remembered this very classical picture of iterative development with...
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Eb
amaeze77
Oct 1, 2010 12:17 am
Then a start a thread that focuses on those questions. Whether they can be used together is completely different from whether "Kanban is Agile". ... -- blog:...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 1, 2010 7:06 am
Hi Eb, The questions Alan is asking are valid. I don't agree with Emil that labels aren't important and we shouldn't codify methods. If you buy into the...
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Eb
amaeze77
Oct 1, 2010 10:09 am
... Hello Paul - I never said the questions were invalid. I just said that they were IMO, a different set of questions and a new thread should be started ...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Oct 1, 2010 11:09 am
Hi Paul ... I'm curious. Do you think you would have understood better if you had been given the answers? Karl -- Karl Scotland Lean & Agile Coach ...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 1, 2010 11:20 am
Hi Karl, I don't want it to look like I'm picking on Kanban. Scrum IMHO suffers from a similar problem. How does a novice apply it in practice? What are the...
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Sameh Zeid
samehsz
Oct 1, 2010 12:04 pm
When used as process management foundation, Flow Management using Kanban can help in recognizing improvement areas where best practices can be implemented. ...
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Ged Byrne
gedb01
Oct 1, 2010 12:59 pm
Paul, As another newcomer to Kanban I see it as something that like minded individuals can rally around. I'm new to Kanban, but I've been applying the...
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Joseph Hurtado
trumpetflickr
Oct 1, 2010 1:13 pm
Short answer: It's the mixed martial arts of Agile. A bit longer answer: Kanban is the lightest Agile method available. Unlike other methods it can start with...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Oct 1, 2010 1:18 pm
... And therein lies the challenge. Every context is different. What is the right level of abstraction to desctive the contexts? What is the right level of...
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John Goodsen
jgoodsen
Oct 1, 2010 1:29 pm
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Joseph Hurtado < ... of software development at the moment - and the fighters (us) come into the octagon with different...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 1, 2010 1:34 pm
Hi Karl, Have we seen no patterns? Can we say nothing other then experiment for yourself? For example XP makes clear that it works best for small teams (7 plus...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 1, 2010 1:38 pm
Hi John, ... Agreed. This is a big ask for a novice though :) Paul....
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Ged Byrne
gedb01
Oct 1, 2010 1:47 pm
To assist with the ongoing conversations, here's a scenario that I believe demonstrates the need for Kanban. The original XP Project was the Chrysler...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Oct 1, 2010 2:01 pm
... I don't have answers - I've found they often lead to closed rather than open thinking - or worse, no thinking at all! I do have a model I use to help...
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Oct 1, 2010 2:09 pm
Let me ask a different question: "Do we believe novices should be trying kanban in isolation?" I used to think "of course", but lately I've started changing my...
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Robert Swanbum
rswany79...
Oct 1, 2010 2:25 pm
As a novice, it's not that hard to pick up. You really just have to participate in learning as you go. Be open, be honest with what you are seeing and be...
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Oct 1, 2010 2:34 pm
Are you a "software novice" or just "new to kanban"? I'm assuming you're speaking from experience and not theory....
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Robert Swanbum
rswany79...
Oct 1, 2010 2:45 pm
Sort of both. Our situation is a bit different than a true software dev group. We are more of an app support group. When I first got here 5 months ago...
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Robert Swanbum
rswany79...
Oct 1, 2010 2:47 pm
Forgot to mention, I do have quite a bit of experience in Six Sigma, Balanced Scorecarding and stuff like that so from a managerial process perspective pehaps...
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Joseph Hurtado
trumpetflickr
Oct 1, 2010 2:47 pm
Good point John, I almost said it was Jiu Jitsu, but then realized not really. I do think it's MMA because it welcomes best practices from any other Method....
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Oct 1, 2010 2:47 pm
Robert, this is very nice! Would you be willing to write up your experience, findings, and such as a 1-2 page and submit it to myself and Karl to put on LWS?...
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Robert Swanbum
rswany79...
Oct 1, 2010 2:50 pm
Yes, I planned on documenting the whole experience once I felt we were truely at a mature stage.  What is LWS? ... From: Eric Willeke...
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Oct 1, 2010 4:06 pm
http://www.limitedwipsociety.org/ <http://www.limitedwipsociety.org/>De facto home of case studies, local meet ups, etc. As I looked, I find our tag cloud...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 1, 2010 5:15 pm
Hi Eric, I think you're on the money! ... I'm definitely not a novice at software. I also have a lot of experience of processes and process improvement. From...
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John Goodsen
jgoodsen
Oct 1, 2010 5:32 pm
... That's where the Shu Ha Ri model comes into play. When you are Shu, you cannot discard. You need to get somewhere around Ha and Ri before you get to...
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Eric Willeke
erwilleke
Oct 1, 2010 5:45 pm
A different question: Is kanban a good idea for a young team making its first move from chaos -> [Agile/lean/defined process/whatever] in the absence of a...
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Alan Baljeu
alanbaljeu
Oct 1, 2010 7:39 pm
If sprint interval equals the mean MMF size, then half the sprints will fail to meet objectives. If sprint interval equals the 80th percentile MMF, 20% will...
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Yuval Yeret
yuvalyeret
Oct 2, 2010 6:01 am
Alan, Those are key questions around this subject, and we haven't thought them through yet, although we have some thoughts. I would say that unless your MMFs...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Oct 2, 2010 6:29 am
Hi Ged, This response explains precisely why we need a structured taxonomy. Value stream mapping can be used with Scrum, XP or any Agile method. Kanban at the...
