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RE: [LIONS] Re:I thought it could not be possible but it is real

Hi Martha, Thanks for your support!

Hi John,

First at all, it is NOT a MLM schema

Second it is NOT a SCAM. I have implemented it on my business and it really works.

 

Formula Five is a system created by Paul Lemberg, who has spent 15 years as a super-successful business consultant earning his clients MILLIONS in extra profit that was hiding RIGHT under their noses.  And all it took to get at it was the simple application of these plug-in-and-go Formulas in the system.

There is an important point to clarify here: It is not a New Business Opportunity, it is actually a SYSTEM to improve your current business, so if you do not have a business and have not planned to create one, please do not watch the videos.

http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer1

 

http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer2

 

Regarding about MLM's posting not allowed here, sorry, I did not know. I thought it was an Open Group!

 

Unfortunatelly, for many people, MLM is synonym of Scam and Pyramids, which is a misled conception of what it really is.  MLM or Network Marketing (for some are the same thing and for others they are different) is just a business model like any other. According to Robert Kiyosaki, is the best way to start a business. Therefore, it is not bad to be in MLM and promote it, so it should not be put away on this forum...It would be like a Business Model Discrimination!


I know personally several professional people in the MLM business making tens of thousands a month. You can find theories, courses and strategies applicable exclusively to MLM Business Model.

 

What “MIGHT have been wrong” in MLM is the way their businesses were promoted, and many are still doing so. I put “MIGHT have been wrong” between quotes because most people think the problem is in the proposed business approach, but the problem is ACTUALLY on their mindsets. I mean, if someone could make “30.000 dollars in two months” and we could not, then we say the business opportunity proposed was a lie (scam), wasn't it? But what is really happening is that we are no aligned to that business (passion about that) or we are not doing enough to make it (lazy), or we are not being efficient enough to make it (old school)...the failure is unavoidable. This is why 97% of the people will never get success on business!, and this is also why 65% of the businesses in USA fail before 6 years. It is a MindSet Problem, not a business model problem.

 

I remember more than two years ago when I brought “The Millionaire Mind Intensive Seminar”, a Free 3-days seminar based on T. Harv Eker’s bestselling book “The Secrets of The Millionaire Mind”. I was verbally attacked by 4 members of this group saying that I should not be promoting those kind of things here. I do not only attended once to that seminar, but I repeated it 4 times in two years...and I keep going...and I keep learning...It is FREE! Why to avoid it? Because does FREE look like scam? How can they pay those expenses, keep it free, and keep same people going back next time? Go an you will see it! You will not only learn about reprogramming your money blue print but also you will have the opportunity to do networking with about 600 people during three days for free.

 

I also attended to their “Enlightened Warrior Training Camp”, I am going to Vancouver, Canada this summer to attend “Wizard Training Camp” and I will be in October in Los Angeles to attend “Train the Trainers Certification”. My Personal Life and my Business Life changed completely since I knew Harv Eker’s company. It is considered the Fastest Growing Training Company in the World but I could not share that experience here. If someone is interested, please visit http://www.MMISeminar.com.


One of the first things we learn on those seminars is “Do not shut the Messenger”

I became succesful on my business and life when I became OPEN, but remember that Open means “Totally Open”…No Filters! I even read the Spam (when it is new) and I have found very good information on it. There are people out there with very good information to share but they do not know how to promote it, so the first thing they do is to send it to their list. If you do not like spam, then you are NOT OPEN. I am not talking about spams like "You Won the Lottery", "There is a inheritance in a Europe's bank" or  "We need help to get money out from a bank in Africa". In fact, those spams does not make me angry, they make me laugh,  I think there is always something to learn from anything!


Have you seen the latest posts on this LION list? Very few in the last month. People are not motivated to do it, because people are not encouraged to do read it. "Why should I read someone else's post, if I cannot post my own?" is what members could be thinking now.


Have you seen the latest posts on LinkedIn LION Group? They are all about “Connect with me” (wich is not allowed), Job Posting (for which there are other groups), Service Offerings (Free Ads) and spam like “Expense Report Software” posted 4 times in 27 days, and it is still there.

 

I mean, they are not bad. At the end, we are here to connect to each other. Open Networking is to get together people offering things and people looking for things…ANYTHING!

Did you see the comment rate in LION Group? It is pretty low!

 

People are looking for new content! Things that make them shake because they are different and bring new ways to make them successful.

What I brought this time was something totally different and it was censured one more time because of the mindset!

 

I am not the one who is going to lose the opportunity to learn something, I already have the knowledge. I just wanted to share it!

 

Have a good day!


Jose F. Lozano
Internet Marketing Specialist (SEO, SEM and SMM)






To: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com
From: marthasue@...
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:59:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [LIONS] Re:I thought it could not be possible but it is real




Hi John and all, 
 
I went to the link supplied by Jose.  I just thought ... "why not see what he was talking about!"
 
DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS, John?
 
There is nothing on the first of four videos about MLM.  It is a sales training on how to increase your productivity and margin.  I was very impressed.  He didn't sell you anything ... just information given THAT WAS FABULOUS information I might add.
 
If you get a sales pitch at the end of the 4 sessions ... so be it.  It will be your choice to join or not.  In the mean time I learned (probably have heard parts of this before ... but not exactly in this same way) that doing small steps in consistent measures and focused on one step at a time to increase your goals in 5 different areas of your business (OR LIFE) would bring you a result of 15% improvement in each of the 5 areas.  Scale that ... and you can double your efficiency and margin and not work the 18 to 20 hours a day that I do now.
 
I sat down and figured how to implement that structure into what I do.  Although I am a MLMer from way back ... the thought didn't occur to me to apply it in those areas of my life.  I looked at it in the structure of my golf tournaments.
 
One of the reasons that I watched the video was because I am surprised that people have not responded after reading my posts about making money for your business in a legitimate fundraiser where your company is giving back to the community in our Stimulus program.
 
With your response to Jose's post ... I think you must not have watched his or mine.
 
Jose, thank you for sharing.  Feel free to contact me offline.  marthasue (at) bionicgolfpro.com
 
I'll be in touch later with an update of my views on Videos 2 to 4.
 
Wishing you all the best "round of life" you could ever dream possible.
 
Martha Sue Yeary
 
www.BionicGolf.SDBusinessAlliance.dojiggy.com (where your business can get visibility and funding)
 
 


 
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 AM, <johnev4ns@aol.com> wrote:


Jose,
 
You may not know, so you are forgiven in advance, but we do not allow MLM scams at the LIONs.
 
Cheers John






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Jose, You may not know, so you are forgiven in advance, but we do not allow MLM scams at the LIONs. Cheers John...
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Hi John and all, I went to the link supplied by Jose. I just thought ... "why not see what he was talking about!" DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS, John? There is...
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Hi Martha, Thanks for your support! Hi John, First at all, it is NOT a MLM schema Second it is NOT a SCAM. I have implemented it on my business and it really ...
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... I personally liked the disclaimer written in very small letters on both pages with the video links: "DISCLAIMER: THE PERFORMANCE EXPERIENCED BY THE USER...
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Hi Vlad, The Disclaimer The Disclaimer is something that must be placed in any site that is claiming results. They are same as the one that you listen in Radio...
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Hey Jose, Do this solicitation on a side channel. Best Regards, Tony Reynes _____ From: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com] On...
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Tony is right - you've had your 200 cents ;-) please take it offline now. ... [mailto:linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com] ... real ... claiming ... are ... is ......
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John & Tony ... I have a question please! If thoughts on improving your business or your personal development are not to be online in this forum ... please...
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Bravo Jose! Perfectly stated! First of all ... I would like to address the issue of recruiters vs network marketers. If you don't think you are network...
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