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RE: [LIONS] Re:I thought it could not be possible but it is real

Hey Jose,

 

Do this solicitation on a side channel.

 

Best Regards,

Tony Reynes


From: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jose Lozano
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:40 PM
To: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LIONS] Re:I thought it could not be possible but it is real

 




Hi Vlad,

The Disclaimer

The Disclaimer is something that must be placed in any site that is claiming results. They are same as the one that you listen in Radio and TV Advertising. Have you ever read the side effects in medications? They are worse than the illness! But you still take it, don't you?

By the way, the disclaimer is at the end of the page (as usual) but it is not as small as used to be. It is actually in uppercase and twice bigger than usual, so they want you to see it anyway. Of course, nobody is going to put it at the beginning.
 
For me, that disclaimer shows how honest they are with the people who are watching their videos. The main reason those disclaimers must be placed there is because of the People’s Mindset. Remember that 97% of people will never be successful in life because:

  • They are skeptical (see it to believe it)
  • They want to stay on their comfort zone (they do not try new things).
  • They do not take action because of fear to something (paralyzed by analysis)
  • They will influence others to make them stay within the 97% (selfish).
  • They are influenced by bad comments from others because they do not have their own criteria and “think that others are right”, but they do not realize that 97% of “others” are going to fail.


Those disclaimers are made for:

  • People who really decide to create a life (take action) not for those who think that life happens to them (waiting with filters on).
  • for those who will not blame others for failing (responsible for their own actions).
  • for those who focus on what are they going to gain and not for those who focus on what are they going to lose (positive thinking).


If that disclaimer stops you, remember the way to do one thing is the way you do everything, that is your life!

We can bring the best product, the best system, the best technique or the best business, and 97% of people will fail anyway because the success is not in the model, the success is in YOU.  Not in the technology, not in the economy, not in the market, not in the product, service, system or site...Just in YOU.

So, who cares disclaimers, who cares what you can find in Google, who cares what others are saying. People use to say more bad things than good things, so other people are not reference for your success. The only person who can tell you whether something is good or bad for you is YOU.

The MLM Criticism

It is important that you brought that section because it confirms what I am talking about MLM. The Criticism section of that page means “The way people use to see MLM”, and it does not refer about what MLM actually is.

In fact, the section says “In March 2008, the FTC removed Network Marketing (MLM) companies from the proposed Business Opportunity Rule:

    The revised proposal, however, would not reach multi-level marketing companies or certain companies that may have been swept inadvertently into scope of the April 2006 proposal


The Rule was impacting MLM Business Models unfairly so The FTC decided to exempt them by March 2008 because they were swept inadvertently into another scope. It basically means that MLM is NOT considered within the BAD Known Business Opportunities. Therefore, it is an Actual Business Model.

The Formula Five

  • It is NOT MLM.
  • It is NOT a Business Opportunity.
  • It IS a system that can be implemented on your current business.


The only way to know whether something works for you or not is to live it by yourself.

It is free, you learn something applicable right now and you can leave whenever you want without buying anything. It is that simple!

http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer1

http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer2

 
Best Regards,

Jose F. Lozano
Internet Marketing Specialist (SEO, SEM and SMM)




To: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com
From: pv7721@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:41:41 +0000
Subject: [LIONS] Re:I thought it could not be possible but it is real



--- In linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com, Jose Lozano <jflozano_us@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martha, Thanks for your support!
>
> Hi John,
>
> First at all, it is NOT a MLM schema
>
> Second it is NOT a SCAM. I have implemented it on my business and it > really works.
>
> Formula Five is a system created by Paul Lemberg, who has spent 15
> years as a super-successful business consultant earning his clients > MILLIONS in extra profit that was hiding RIGHT under their noses.
> And all it took to get at it was the simple application of these
> plug-in-and-go Formulas in the system.
>
> There is an important point to clarify here: It is not a New
> Business Opportunity, it is actually a SYSTEM to improve your
> current business, so if you do not have a business and have not
> planned to create one, please do not watch the videos.
>
> http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer1
> http://www.FormulaFiveSolution.com/trailer2

I personally liked the disclaimer written in very small letters on both pages with the video links:

"DISCLAIMER: THE PERFORMANCE EXPERIENCED BY THE USER COMMENTS AND TESTIMONIALS ON THIS PAGE AND/OR OUR WEBSITE IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO EXPERIENCE. COMPANY HAS NOT INVESTIGATED OR SUBSTANTIATED ANY OF THE USER COMMENTS OR CLAIMS. SOME OF THE USERS MAY, IN SOME CASES, BEEN INCENTIVIZED TO SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS, AND COMPANY HAS NOT VERIFIED THE FIGURES QUOTED IN THEM."

> Regarding about MLM's posting not allowed here, sorry, I did not
> know. I thought it was an Open Group!
>
> Unfortunatelly, for many people, MLM is synonym of Scam and
> Pyramids, which is a misled conception of what it really is. MLM or > Network Marketing (for some are the same thing and for others they
> are different) is just a business model like any other. According to > Robert Kiyosaki, is the best way to start a business. Therefore, it > is not bad to be in MLM and promote it, so it should not be put away > on this forum...It would be like a Business Model Discrimination!

Personally, I think the criticisms described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketing#Criticism_of_MLM
are quite valid.

My 2c

Vlad

 


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Hi John and all, I went to the link supplied by Jose. I just thought ... "why not see what he was talking about!" DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEOS, John? There is...
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Hi Vlad, The Disclaimer The Disclaimer is something that must be placed in any site that is claiming results. They are same as the one that you listen in Radio...
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Hey Jose, Do this solicitation on a side channel. Best Regards, Tony Reynes _____ From: linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com] On...
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Tony is right - you've had your 200 cents ;-) please take it offline now. ... [mailto:linkedinlions@yahoogroups.com] ... real ... claiming ... are ... is ......
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