I just recently found this list, and the related Web pages.  I'm
interested if there is any updated info on the current status of this
scrap yard "collection" since the last Dec. 2000 postings (?)

Oddly enough, the day I "discovered" the Lost Engines list, I'd just
finished posting a photo of the N&W 2-8-8-2 Mallet (Y6b?) that spent
its last years rusting away at a Roanoke scrap yard, until the
1970's.  If anyone's interested a pic of the ill-fated N&W Mallet, it
can be viewed at:
http://wvexplorer.com/wvrailroads/postcards/step1.asp?cat_fldAuto=47
(Pic #6 on that page).

It just occurred to me that one alternative might be to purchase
the property that the railroad equipment is setting on and preserve
them on that site.

Thanks for the info.

Later
Michael Ridenhour

Michael,
You might want to try contacting the scrap yard to get permission to go in,
but from what I've heard the owner can be quite difficult to deal with.  If
you go on a weekend, they're only open until noon on Saturday and closed on
Sunday, but the locomotives are located along the border of the scrap yard
property next to the Norfolk Southern tracks, so they can be seen without
going into the yard.  There are some businesses across the tracks from the
yard where you can park and get a pretty decent view, but getting up close
to the steamers from outside the yard requires a bit of walking on NS
property.  The best time to go would be in the winter when the leaves are
off the trees and vines.  I have just heard that a bunch of the trees around
the engine have been cut recently too.

Not sure about the scrap value of the engines, but I am sure it is
substantially less than the $200,000 that the owner is asking, last I heard,
for the four steamers, two diesels, tenders, and freight cars.  He was only
willing to sell the equipment all together.  It's possible that the city's
re-development plans might cause him to change his mind though.

Hope this helps,
Richard Jenkins


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From: michaelr4501@...
Reply-To: lostengines@egroups.com
To: lostengines@egroups.com
Subject: [lostengines] Roanoke
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:02:15 -0000

I am planning a trip to Roanoke over the coming weeks and would like
to know how I would come about photographing the engines and
equipment. Do I need to ask permission? Are they excessable from
public property?

Also does anyone know the scrap value on the engines and equipment?


Thanks
Michael Ridenhour


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Found this message on the Chaski Railfan WWW Board
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forwarding to the list...

I was talking to one of the employees of at Viginia Iron and Metal the other
day about the Lost Engines in Roanoke and he said that some people from the
Ohio Central Railroad were down looking at the engines. He wouldn't say
anymore. I went over to look at the engines and found many fresh cut trees
around the engines and the fence. Does anyone have any more information
about this? Could these be potential engines for the Pacific Wilderness RR
that the Ohio Central is part of?

I hope they can save them. I would hate to see them scrapped.

Signed,
Concerned Steam Citizen




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Sorry , but I can't help you. I would be interested in seeing your pictures,
though. These engines must be saved. Even I cannot see your pictures, I would
like to know how your trip came out.

Jock Ellis
404.355.9156
jockellis@...

I am planning a trip to Roanoke over the coming weeks and would like
to know how I would come about photographing the engines and
equipment. Do I need to ask permission? Are they excessable from
public property?

Also does anyone know the scrap value on the engines and equipment?


Thanks
Michael Ridenhour

I also found this one while searching the RT archives for the previous
article.  Interestingly there's no mention of four steam locomotives or
possible contamination from a certain A-word...


ROANOKE TIMES
Tuesday, September 19, 2000
Section: VIRGINIA
Edition: METRO
Page: B1


SCRAP YARD IN COMPLIANCE
ROANOKE CITY MANAGER'S REMARKS TRIGGER INSPECTION OF VIRGINIA SCRAP IRON &
METAL CO.



JOHN D. CRAMER THE ROANOKE TIMES
State environmental authorities said Monday that a Roanoke scrap yard on the
site of a proposed biomedical business park complies with state regulations.

The Virginia Department of Environmental Quality conducted no soil analyses
or other tests, but spent more than an hour inspecting the site and asking
questions of company officials.


Based on the inspectors' observations, Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal Co. was
determined to be in compliance with state waste management and recycling
regulations, said Norman Auldridge, the DEQ's regulations compliance
enforcement manager in Roanoke.
"From what we can see, they are properly managing the facility," he said.

The Roanoke Redevelopment and Housing Authority will conduct soil tests and
other analyses as part of a redevelopment study of the entire 74 industrial
acres that make up the proposed Riverside Centre for Research and
Technology. The study is expected to be completed in December.

The DEQ conducted a site inspection Monday after recent comments by City
Manager Darlene Burcham to a state Senate subcommittee that the scrap yard
was "considered an active, ongoing landfill, with extreme levels of
contaminants" and probably was too dirty to clean up.

Burcham clarified her statement last week, saying she based her description
not on any study but on an assumption that all old scrap yards are
contaminated.

Auldridge said the DEQ decided to conduct a site inspection as a result of
Burcham's statement and subsequent media coverage.

"I think there's been a lot of speculation and perhaps some assumptions made
that aren't accurate," he said.

City spokesman Chris Slone declined comment on the DEQ's report, saying the
city and the state agency have not discussed the scrap yard.

Sam Golden, the scrap yard's owner, said the DEQ's report shows he runs a
clean operation.

"There's nothing to justify her comments," Golden said of Burcham. "We do
everything OK here."

Auldridge said some confusion may have resulted from the different interests
of the city and the DEQ.

"They're looking at reuse of the site" as an office, laboratory and greenway
complex, he said. "We look at its current use" as a recycling center.

Auldridge said DEQ records show no state violations at the scrap yard.
Federal Environmental Protection Agency records show two cleanups were
ordered at the scrap yard in recent years. No information was available
about a 1994 order. Under a 1996 order, the scrap yard agreed to pay for a
cleanup after soil tests showed lead levels up to five times higher than
federal standards.

Virginia Scrap Iron opened in 1940 at its South Jefferson Street location.
The company receives cast iron, steel, copper, brass, aluminum and other
metal products ranging from locomotives to nails. The metals are sorted,
baled and sent to smelters and foundries to be recycled. The scrap yard
covers about 7 acres between Roanoke City Mills and the Roanoke River.


John D. Cramer can be reached at 981-3384 or johnc@...


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Here is the text from the Roanoke Times article...



BIOMED CENTER LIKELY TO UPROOT BUSINESSES

Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 Section: VIRGINIA Page: A1

By JOHN D. CRAMER THE ROANOKE TIMES

Sam Golden, who has been handling scrap iron at the same site for 60 years,
was stunned at the size of it.

"I don't know what to think," said Golden, owner of Virginia Scrap Iron and
Metal Co.

Several property owners in the industrial area around South Jefferson Street
and Reserve Avenue Southwest expressed bewilderment Wednesday after
receiving hand-delivered letters announcing that they likely will be
displaced by the proposed 75-acre Riverside Centre for Research and
Technology.

The letters arrived at the same time that Carilion Health System, Roanoke
city government and the Roanoke Redevelopment and Housing Authority
announced the project at a news conference.

The letters were the first official notification that the property owners
received, although news reports broke the story Tuesday.

Carilion, city and housing authority officials said about 30 businesses will
be bought or moved as part of the project. They said they would pay
fair-market value.

Many property owners said they planned to attend a June 1 meeting at City
Hall to learn more about the project.

Golden, 87, whose company has been along South Jefferson Street since 1940,
said he was surprised by the announcement. He said he was not interested in
selling, but that he would if the price were right.

"I don't know what to say other than it would be quite a move for us," he
said.

Many property owners expressed surprise that a multimillion-dollar facility
would be built in the Roanoke River flood plain. Severe floods have hit the
area since the 1930s.

Carilion and city officials said the city's flood-control project, expected
to start next year and be completed in 2005, will safeguard the area.

"I'm very skeptical about stopping flooding down here," said Golden, who has
seen all the river's floods this century.

Mark Johnson, manager of Depot Feed and Seed, said he had heard rumors about
the project recently.

"The owner's talked about relocating before, so he's open to selling, but we
have a lot of questions," Johnson said.

Harry St. Clair, who has owned the nearby Five Point barber shop for
decades, said he would consider selling at the right price.

"It's depends on their definition of fair-market value, but I'm ready to
retire," St. Clair said.

John Gibson, general manager of Roanoke City Mills, built in 1917, said he
faxed the announcement letter to the mill's owner, Mennel Milling Co. in
Ohio. The company closed its feed operations in Roanoke last year but
continues to run a flour mill.

"I'm not upset," Gibson said. "I just don't know what to think, but it looks
like a [U.S. 220] interchange is going to come right through my office."

Mark Hall, owner of Wimmer Tire, said he and his employees were "upset and
concerned" about the announcement. He said he may lose his South Roanoke
customers if his business if forced to move.

"A lot of people are confused right now," he said. "This project would help
Roanoke, but not my business."

Owen Reed, vice president of Roanoke Concrete Supply Co., said he and the
company's owner, Barry Brubaker, were surprised by the announcement. The
company recently started building a new office, which is nine feet above the
ground to comply with city code.

Reed said the company was willing to sell if the price was right.

"We're getting kind of landlocked here with all the traffic," he said "We'll
have to wait until that [June 1] meeting to find out what's going on."


John D. Cramer can be reached at 981-3384 or johnc@...



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Robert Yarger" <ryarger1@...>
Reply-To: lostengines@egroups.com
To: <lostengines@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [lostengines] Re: Fwd: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:06:51 -0400

This link was dead when I tried it.  Can someone re-post the text on this
list?

Bob Yarger, Editor
Railway Preservation News (website)
www.rypn.org
-----Original Message-----
From: ninja@... <ninja@...>
To: lostengines@egroups.com <lostengines@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:52 PM
Subject: [lostengines] Re: Fwd: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS


  >--- In lostengines@egroups.com, "Richard Jenkins" <rjenkins24@h...>
  >wrote:
  >> I am forwarding an e-mail sent to me by Twig Gravely.  This could
  >have
  >> serious implications for the engines in the Roanoke scrapyard...
  >>
  >> ----Original Message Follows----
  >> From: "Gravely, Twig (CCI-Roanoke)" <Twig.Gravely@c...>
  >> To: "'rjenkins@r...'" <rjenkins@r...>
  >> Subject: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS
  >> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400
  >>
  >> Richard,
  >>
  >> I am sending you this information in the hope that you may get it to
  >the
  >> proper person or persons.
  >> I live in Roanoke, and today's Roanoke Times lead story is all about
  >a huge
  >> new bio-med center that is going to be built here, requiring 17
  >acres of
  >> land that the city is prepared to buy or condemn to get it.
  >> One of these pieces of property just happens to be Sam Golden's
  >scrap yard,
  >> where the engines have sat since the '50s.
  >> It seems to me that this would be a prime time for someone to make a
  >move to
  >> get those engines from him, as the city is surely going to be giving
  >him the
  >> boot in the near if not immediate future. See story:
  >> http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story93880.html
  >>
  >> Hope you can do something with this.
  >>
  >> Twig
  >
  >I have a nibble, from an active steam operator out West. Richard, can
  >you or Twig provide a current status/update on the situation? This is
  >not a simple question that can be answered *just* by throwing money at
  >it, but with that AND the assistance of a few good folks such as those
  >here, I think a last-minute rescue may be possible.
  >
  >And I'm a lot less pessimistic than you about the possibilities of
  >having one or more of the steamers back in operation again, though my
  >own personal interest is in the CW Baldwin Diesels and the hoppers.
  >
  >-ninja-/-
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >


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-----Original Message-----
From: ninja@... <ninja@...>
To: lostengines@egroups.com <lostengines@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 26, 2000 3:52 PM
Subject: [lostengines] Re: Fwd: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS


>--- In lostengines@egroups.com, "Richard Jenkins" <rjenkins24@h...>
>wrote:
>> I am forwarding an e-mail sent to me by Twig Gravely.  This could
>have
>> serious implications for the engines in the Roanoke scrapyard...
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "Gravely, Twig (CCI-Roanoke)" <Twig.Gravely@c...>
>> To: "'rjenkins@r...'" <rjenkins@r...>
>> Subject: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS
>> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I am sending you this information in the hope that you may get it to
>the
>> proper person or persons.
>> I live in Roanoke, and today's Roanoke Times lead story is all about
>a huge
>> new bio-med center that is going to be built here, requiring 17
>acres of
>> land that the city is prepared to buy or condemn to get it.
>> One of these pieces of property just happens to be Sam Golden's
>scrap yard,
>> where the engines have sat since the '50s.
>> It seems to me that this would be a prime time for someone to make a
>move to
>> get those engines from him, as the city is surely going to be giving
>him the
>> boot in the near if not immediate future. See story:
>> http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story93880.html
>>
>> Hope you can do something with this.
>>
>> Twig
>
>I have a nibble, from an active steam operator out West. Richard, can
>you or Twig provide a current status/update on the situation? This is
>not a simple question that can be answered *just* by throwing money at
>it, but with that AND the assistance of a few good folks such as those
>here, I think a last-minute rescue may be possible.
>
>And I'm a lot less pessimistic than you about the possibilities of
>having one or more of the steamers back in operation again, though my
>own personal interest is in the CW Baldwin Diesels and the hoppers.
>
>-ninja-/-
>
>
>
>
>

Dear 4-8-0 fans.
    The way to save these engines is to sell them. ??? Find some track which
NS, CSX or someone would agree to sell. There are 52 weeks in a year.
Incorporate the engines as time shares and sell, say, 33 weeks of each for
Maybe $120,000 each. That would raise some $4.2 million per locomotive and
allow for the renovation of same, purchase of old rail cars and the actual
railroad. Selling one would be nice, but selling all and you've got the funds
to bank and provide for the railroad. The engines? The owners would pay for
upkeep, coal, water and taxes since they own them. Or at least most of them.
The rest of the year could be used for repairs, locomotive engineer schools,
photo shoots, movies (get an agent) and anything else you might want to do,
like take a vacation. I'm hoping to do this in Georgia, but I would love to
work with others to get a railroad going and save these gentle giants.

Jock Ellis
404.355.9156, e-mail jockellis@...

--- In lostengines@egroups.com, "Richard Jenkins" <rjenkins24@h...>
wrote:
> I am forwarding an e-mail sent to me by Twig Gravely.  This could
have
> serious implications for the engines in the Roanoke scrapyard...
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Gravely, Twig (CCI-Roanoke)" <Twig.Gravely@c...>
> To: "'rjenkins@r...'" <rjenkins@r...>
> Subject: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400
>
> Richard,
>
> I am sending you this information in the hope that you may get it to
the
> proper person or persons.
> I live in Roanoke, and today's Roanoke Times lead story is all about
a huge
> new bio-med center that is going to be built here, requiring 17
acres of
> land that the city is prepared to buy or condemn to get it.
> One of these pieces of property just happens to be Sam Golden's
scrap yard,
> where the engines have sat since the '50s.
> It seems to me that this would be a prime time for someone to make a
move to
> get those engines from him, as the city is surely going to be giving
him the
> boot in the near if not immediate future. See story:
> http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story93880.html
>
> Hope you can do something with this.
>
> Twig

I have a nibble, from an active steam operator out West. Richard, can
you or Twig provide a current status/update on the situation? This is
not a simple question that can be answered *just* by throwing money at
it, but with that AND the assistance of a few good folks such as those
here, I think a last-minute rescue may be possible.

And I'm a lot less pessimistic than you about the possibilities of
having one or more of the steamers back in operation again, though my
own personal interest is in the CW Baldwin Diesels and the hoppers.

-ninja-/-

I am forwarding an e-mail sent to me by Twig Gravely.  This could have
serious implications for the engines in the Roanoke scrapyard...

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Gravely, Twig (CCI-Roanoke)" <Twig.Gravely@...>
To: "'rjenkins@...'" <rjenkins@...>
Subject: Lost engines-IMPORTANT NEWS
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400

Richard,

I am sending you this information in the hope that you may get it to the
proper person or persons.
I live in Roanoke, and today's Roanoke Times lead story is all about a huge
new bio-med center that is going to be built here, requiring 17 acres of
land that the city is prepared to buy or condemn to get it.
One of these pieces of property just happens to be Sam Golden's scrap yard,
where the engines have sat since the '50s.
It seems to me that this would be a prime time for someone to make a move to
get those engines from him, as the city is surely going to be giving him the
boot in the near if not immediate future. See story:
http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story93880.html

Hope you can do something with this.

Twig

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I just visited your site. I like the new

Hello;

I just joined the list and I am working on a database of lost and rumor
engines that maybe out there...
I am hoping that through the site I am working on, we can shed some light on
what is out there...
what I am looking for is any information, pictures, and rumors (that have
SOME basis, no stories of Milwakee Hiwatha engines hidden in a barn
somewhere). and this is not limited to just engines, I would also like to
find out about passenger and freight cars. My goal is to create this list so
that some of these rumors might be investigated by people who live in that
area.

I hope to hear from some of you.

Thank you for your time,

-Andrew Brandon


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Hi,
    What is the wheel configuration of a Z1A locomotive?

Thanx

Richard,
Don't know yet for sure... but I might be returning back East.
Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Jenkins [mailto:rjenkins24@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:14 PM
> To: lostengines@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [lostengines] roanoke va.lost engines
>
>
> From: "Richard Jenkins" <rjenkins24@...>
>
> I had never heard about a Z1a in the yard before.  I have been to
> the yard
> twice and have never seen it, but there is a mountain of scrap, so who
> knows?  There are also a lot of recognizable locomotive parts
> lying around
> in the yard, including drive wheels from some of the Virginian
> electrics.
> Somebody told me once that two or three Y-6's also survived there
> into the
> early 70's and were then cut up.
>
>
> >From: bushwacker@...
> >Reply-To: lostengines@onelist.com
> >To: lostengines@onelist.com
> >Subject: [lostengines] roanoke va.lost engines
> >Date: 28 Nov 1999 11:21:00 -0000
> >
> >have worked on the winston salem district and passed by these
> old forlorn
> >locos
> >several times. my question is ,i have heard but have yet to see
> does a Z1a
> >still
> >exist? form what i have been told there is one in the same scrap yard as
> >those
> >other engines but i was hid out under a mountain of scrap. it is
> a worder
> >that
> >any of them survived cause it is my understanding that NW
> president Stuart
> >Saunders lead a crusade to scrap all steamers. he was almost
> sucessful in
> >that
> >respect cause all of the very best was scrapped. cause 613 was a better
> >loco
> >than 611 and the later A class engines were more modern than the
> 1218. and
> >the
> >Y6bs all scrapped. man should have saved at least one of
> them,talking about
> >mordern power.and what would it have hurt to save the last s1a
> 0/8/0 that
> >the
> >east end turned out in 1953? the last loco to be built in america for the
> >american railroads. why didnt they save the best hell they could have
> >scrapped
> >all the rest.  thank you for you time and if any one has any
> info about the
> >Z1a
> >would love to hear from you.
> >
> >bushwacker
> >virginia division MW&S
> >norfolk southern railway
> >
> ><< text3.html >>
>
> >

I had never heard about a Z1a in the yard before.  I have been to the yard
twice and have never seen it, but there is a mountain of scrap, so who
knows?  There are also a lot of recognizable locomotive parts lying around
in the yard, including drive wheels from some of the Virginian electrics.
Somebody told me once that two or three Y-6's also survived there into the
early 70's and were then cut up.


>From: bushwacker@...
>Reply-To: lostengines@onelist.com
>To: lostengines@onelist.com
>Subject: [lostengines] roanoke va.lost engines
>Date: 28 Nov 1999 11:21:00 -0000
>
>have worked on the winston salem district and passed by these old forlorn
>locos
>several times. my question is ,i have heard but have yet to see does a Z1a
>still
>exist? form what i have been told there is one in the same scrap yard as
>those
>other engines but i was hid out under a mountain of scrap. it is a worder
>that
>any of them survived cause it is my understanding that NW president Stuart
>Saunders lead a crusade to scrap all steamers. he was almost sucessful in
>that
>respect cause all of the very best was scrapped. cause 613 was a better
>loco
>than 611 and the later A class engines were more modern than the 1218. and
>the
>Y6bs all scrapped. man should have saved at least one of them,talking about
>mordern power.and what would it have hurt to save the last s1a 0/8/0 that
>the
>east end turned out in 1953? the last loco to be built in america for the
>american railroads. why didnt they save the best hell they could have
>scrapped
>all the rest.  thank you for you time and if any one has any info about the
>Z1a
>would love to hear from you.
>
>bushwacker
>virginia division MW&S
>norfolk southern railway
>
><< text3.html >>

have worked on the winston salem district and passed by these old forlorn locos
several times. my question is ,i have heard but have yet to see does a Z1a still
exist? form what i have been told there is one in the same scrap yard as those
other engines but i was hid out under a mountain of scrap. it is a worder that
any of them survived cause it is my understanding that NW president Stuart
Saunders lead a crusade to scrap all steamers. he was almost sucessful in that
respect cause all of the very best was scrapped. cause 613 was a better loco
than 611 and the later A class engines were more modern than the 1218. and the
Y6bs all scrapped. man should have saved at least one of them,talking about
mordern power.and what would it have hurt to save the last s1a 0/8/0 that the
east end turned out in 1953? the last loco to be built in america for the
american railroads. why didnt they save the best hell they could have scrapped
all the rest.  thank you for you time and if any one has any info about the Z1a
would love to hear from you.

bushwacker
virginia division MW&S
norfolk southern railway

Hi to Edwin
	 Don't want to discourage your interest in these engines but there seems to
be a sudden loss of interest in the subject as far as the flow of info
would show. From the time I signed on to the onelist forum I beleive that
your message may be the first I have received. Reading back through the
messages seems to indicate to me that there are a few that are interested
but not much on the action side. Since I am located in southwest Missouri,
there is no practical way for me to do any more than lend moral support and
as I have found out more about the number and condition of other engines
around the country, I have decided that my best efforts would not be enough
to make any difference on a MAJOR job that these engines would take.
	 Callous as it may seem, my current thought on these is that it too little
and too late to save them. As I have looked around the country at existing
steam,  have found many engines that are in far better condition that very
much need more support to continue to exist. Almost all of the groups that
have their engines up and running are still very hard pressed to paid the
bills to keep their engine from slipping back into the scrap heap.  With
this in mind I will have to commit any of my time and money to the
preservation of a few good examples of steam rather than an effort to save
more at the risk of losing the few that are now in good condition. It is my
understanding that the Roanoke engines are missing a great number of part
with the boilers rusted through and other problems that make a preservation
effort out of reach. I would encourage you to find one of the groups that
currently have an engine that has been restored and throw your full support
behind their effort. Perhaps a few can be saved! I recommend the following
for info on what a rebuilding effort might involve
http://members.aol.com/slsta/index.htm     This is the site for the St.
Louis Steam Train Association and has a vast amount of good quality info
that made a great dose of reality for me. Best of luck!!
Richard
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> From: combs002 <combs002@...>
> To: lostengines@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: [lostengines] Welcome to lostengines@onelist.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:16 PM
>
> From: combs002 <combs002@...>
>
> Richard et al.,
>
> I am a new member of the "lost engines" community. I first became aware
of the
> Roanoke engines in the mid-80s on a fan trip. Can you, or the other
members,
> tell me where things stand right now and if there are any developments
> concerning the Roanoke engines and their preservation?
>
> Thanks,
> Edwin Combs
>
>

Richard et al.,

I am a new member of the "lost engines" community. I first became aware of the
Roanoke engines in the mid-80s on a fan trip. Can you, or the other members,
tell me where things stand right now and if there are any developments
concerning the Roanoke engines and their preservation?

Thanks,
Edwin Combs

Hey, how's it going! This is Jerry Murphy, I live in Newport News, VA,
near Norfolk. I've been looking at the Lost Engines site every once in a
while, just to check for updates. So, anything happening with the
scrapyard? I want to try to make it up there sometime in September, I'm
doing some much this summer, that's the eariest I can get there. Has
anyone talked to the VA Museum of Transportation recently about the
engines? They seemed interested a year ago, but they had alot of other
things to worry about at the time. The new site looks great, Mr Jenkins,
great new pics as well. Let me know when you're coming down here, and
we'll try to meet up in Roanoke. Well, I'll talk to ya L8R, keep the
crusade going!!

Jerry

Hi John,
The "Lost Engines" of Roanoke are four Norfolk & Western steamers that were
sold to the Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal Co. of Roanoke, Virginia in 1950 for
scrapping, and remain there to this day.  They include M2 4-8-0's 1118 and
1134, M2c 4-8-0 no. 1151, and W-2 2-8-0 no. 917.  These are the last Norfolk
& Western M2's and W-2 in existance.  While they aren't in great shape after
all these years of neglect, they are not beyond cosmetic restoration, and
deserve a better fate than rusting away on an obscure scrapyard siding.  For
more information (and photos), check out this website:
http://lostengines.railfan.net



>From: "john d. ruehle" <john@...>
>Reply-To: lostengines@onelist.com
>To: lostengines@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [lostengines] Welcome to lostengines@onelist.com
>Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 18:52:17 -0700
>
>From: "john d. ruehle" <john@...>
>
>
>
>lostengines-owner@onelist.com wrote:
>
> > Welcome to the Lost Engines mailing list.  I started this list to
>promote
> > active discussion about the possibilities for preserving the "Lost
>Engines" of
> > Roanoke.  To get started, here are the answers to some frequently asked
> > questions...
> >
> > Q.  Has the scrapyard owner been contacted about selling the engines?
> >
> > A.  Yes.  He is only willing to sell the engines all together, along
>with the
> > two diesels, two large tenders, four hopper cars, a flat car, and a
>"coaling
> > tower".  (It's not clear wheter this is a big coaling tower or just a
>little
> > conveyor thing.  I haven't seen it.)  The asking price is $200,000, all
>or
> > nothing.
> >
> > Q.  Would the owner be willing to negotiate, or donate the equipment in
>exchange
> >
> > for tax deductions?
> >
> > A.  No, he has so far been unwilling to negotiate.
> >
> > Q.  What can be done to save the engines, then?
> >
> > A.  Well, ideally we need to find several different groups willing to
>take on
> > one engine each, and then band together to buy the whole lot.
> >
> > Q.  Who are you, anyway?
> >
> > A.  Just a concerned steam fan who saw these engines listed on Wes
>Barris's
> > North American Steam Locomotives site (http://www.steamlocomotive.com)
>and went
> > to see them during a trip to Virginia.  When I saw them sitting there
>rusting
> > away and coverd in vines, I decided to start the "Lost Engines" web site
>to try
> > to gain some attention for them, and now this list to help promote
>active
> > discussion about them.
> >
> > So, welcome aboard!  I look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at
> > www.onelist.com, and select the User Center link from the menu bar
> > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription
> > between digest and normal mode.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richard Jenkins
> > mailto: rjenkins@...
> > The List Owner
>
>Dear Mr. Jenkins,
>     What are the lost engines? What wheel arrangement, type, etc? Could
>you provide
>a complete description.
>
>Yours Sincerely,
>
>John Ruehle
>
>
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lostengines-owner@onelist.com wrote:

> Welcome to the Lost Engines mailing list.  I started this list to promote
> active discussion about the possibilities for preserving the "Lost Engines" of
> Roanoke.  To get started, here are the answers to some frequently asked
> questions...
>
> Q.  Has the scrapyard owner been contacted about selling the engines?
>
> A.  Yes.  He is only willing to sell the engines all together, along with the
> two diesels, two large tenders, four hopper cars, a flat car, and a "coaling
> tower".  (It's not clear wheter this is a big coaling tower or just a little
> conveyor thing.  I haven't seen it.)  The asking price is $200,000, all or
> nothing.
>
> Q.  Would the owner be willing to negotiate, or donate the equipment in
exchange
>
> for tax deductions?
>
> A.  No, he has so far been unwilling to negotiate.
>
> Q.  What can be done to save the engines, then?
>
> A.  Well, ideally we need to find several different groups willing to take on
> one engine each, and then band together to buy the whole lot.
>
> Q.  Who are you, anyway?
>
> A.  Just a concerned steam fan who saw these engines listed on Wes Barris's
> North American Steam Locomotives site (http://www.steamlocomotive.com) and
went
> to see them during a trip to Virginia.  When I saw them sitting there rusting
> away and coverd in vines, I decided to start the "Lost Engines" web site to
try
> to gain some attention for them, and now this list to help promote active
> discussion about them.
>
> So, welcome aboard!  I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at
> www.onelist.com, and select the User Center link from the menu bar
> on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription
> between digest and normal mode.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard Jenkins
> mailto: rjenkins@...
> The List Owner

Dear Mr. Jenkins,
     What are the lost engines? What wheel arrangement, type, etc? Could you
provide
a complete description.

Yours Sincerely,

John Ruehle

Hi folks,
I finally got around to doing some major updates on the Lost Engines
website.  I went to Roanoke in March and got some pictures of the other
three steam engines (1134, 1151, and 917), so those are up on the site
now.  Also, I have added a new page featuring other neglected steam
engines around the country.  Finally, I added a link to subscribe to
this mailing list from the Lost Engines home page.

Check it out... http://lostengines.railfan.net

-Richard Jenkins

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#1 I am in Maryland about 4.5 hours drive from Roanoke. Anyone closer?

#2 I have changed my profile so the full email address is now exposed please
feel free to email me.

#3 I am an engineer but I need someone with an understanding of the mechanicals
of these engine types to drop me a line.  If you understand just one engine type
of the lot that is important too.
We will gather other expertise.

#4 Does someone have a picture of one of these guys in it's prime?  Can you
email it to me?

We will do this.  Can you hear the whistle?  Way far away... off down the valley
somewhere.  God willing, they'll come back. Your help will be required.

-Scott

#1 I am in Maryland about 4.5 hours drive from Roanoke. Anyone closer?

#2 I have changed my profile so the full email address is now exposed please
feel free to email me.

#3 I am an engineer but I need someone with an understanding of the mechanicals
of these engine types to drop me a line.  If you understand just one engine type
of the lot that is important too.  We will gather other expertise.

We will do this.  Can you hear the whistle?  Way far away... off down the valley
somewhere.  God willing, they'll come back.

Your help will be required.

Scott

There are 12 of us on this list already.
200/12 = about $17,000 each.  TO START...
Let's get more realistic.  I bet we can get 100 people to donate to this.

200/100 = about $2,000 each.  TO START...

Actually I bet we can get 5000 people to donate $20 each, another 500 to donate
$100, and a final 100 to donate $500 each.

$20*5000 = $100,000
$100*500 = $ 50,000
$500*100 = $ 50,000
--------------------
Total    = $200,000

From around the entire WORLD, all we need is 6000 people that care enough to put
some cash where their heart is.  To START...

A Preservation Society and a plan.

BUT FIRST -- a rescue.
I truly believe the money will come.  The harder part is covered storage. 
Anyone have a couple hundred acres they want to sell/donate?  Maybe floodplain
that cannot be used for anything else?
State land?  Other ideas?  Why a couple hundred acres?  You are going to think I
am insane but I want a running railroad.  We have enough pieces.
Anyone seen what the Brits have done?

MOVING THE BEASTIES:  Any idea what one of these guys WEIGHS?  How much and what
kind of access is there to the sidings the units are on?  Can a flatbed railcar
be moved down the sidings?  How fragile are they?

Speaking of sidings -- Sleepers and rails... we will need a lot of both.

Come on folks... I see these archives are two years old!  Let's get moving.  I
agree with the poster from Kentucky.  The local chapter is the place to start. 
Anyone on this list from that organization?  Know anyone on it?  Know anything
about it, their motivations/funding/politics?

Scott - in Maryland

That is _not_ a lot of money.

But: Are they worth it?

Historically and emotionally, yes of course they are... but compared to other
purchases in the same condition?

Has anyone with a proper background taken a look?

Does anyone on this list have sufficient land to store them until a proper
accounting and triage if required can be made?

Will the scrapyard owner allow a full inspection of the yard (to include any
locked buildings) to make sure that we have all the pieces when we leave?

Quite serious about this - Scott in MD

Mr. Jenkins:  I very much appreciate what you have done in creating the web
site and drawing attention to the situation.  I am an NRHS member, and I
intend to write ASAP to the Roanoke Chapter to find out what they are going
to do about this very special resource sitting on their doorstep.  As the
local railway historical organization they are the logical outfit to
organize a rescue mission.   M.
H. Maelor Davies, Ph.D
Director, Tobacco & Health Research Institute
University of Kentucky
Cooper & University Drives, Lexington, KY 40546
'Phone 606-257-5798, FAX 606-323-1077

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>From: lostengines-owner@onelist.com
>To: mdavies@...
>Subject: [lostengines] Welcome to lostengines@onelist.com
>Date: Wed, Jan 13, 1999, 1:14 PM
>

>Welcome to the Lost Engines mailing list.  I started this list to promote
>active discussion about the possibilities for preserving the "Lost Engines" of
>Roanoke.  To get started, here are the answers to some frequently asked
>questions...
>
>Q.  Has the scrapyard owner been contacted about selling the engines?
>
>A.  Yes.  He is only willing to sell the engines all together, along with the
>two diesels, two large tenders, four hopper cars, a flat car, and a "coaling
>tower".  (It's not clear wheter this is a big coaling tower or just a little
>conveyor thing.  I haven't seen it.)  The asking price is $200,000, all or
>nothing.
>
>Q.  Would the owner be willing to negotiate, or donate the equipment in
exchange
>
>for tax deductions?
>
>A.  No, he has so far been unwilling to negotiate.
>
>Q.  What can be done to save the engines, then?
>
>A.  Well, ideally we need to find several different groups willing to take on
>one engine each, and then band together to buy the whole lot.
>
>Q.  Who are you, anyway?
>
>A.  Just a concerned steam fan who saw these engines listed on Wes Barris's
>North American Steam Locomotives site (http://www.steamlocomotive.com) and went
>to see them during a trip to Virginia.  When I saw them sitting there rusting
>away and coverd in vines, I decided to start the "Lost Engines" web site to try
>to gain some attention for them, and now this list to help promote active
>discussion about them.
>
>So, welcome aboard!  I look forward to hearing from you.
>
>To unsubscribe from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at
>www.onelist.com, and select the User Center link from the menu bar
>on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription
>between digest and normal mode.
>
>
>Thanks,
>Richard Jenkins
>mailto: rjenkins@...
>The List Owner
>