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#30 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:01 am
Subject: Re: Half time is dead :O( cheyenne011
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It was 122 degrees yesterday afternoon. We have a black goat also and she is fine and you have more shade than we have. Her death will probably be a mystery.

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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From: Bobbie Milsom

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:35 PM

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We're in AZ...........it's 115' today!!!!!!!!

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#29 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:35 pm
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We're in AZ...........it's 115' today!!!!!!!!

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#28 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:15 pm
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Half time was 4 yrs old. She was always healthy. Kidded easily and had a healthy bag when in milk. She was dried off when she died. She was in with the Pygmy Buck but if she was bred she wasn't far enough along to show it yet.

She was fed alfalfa hay the night before along with 12 other Pygmies in the same pen with her. No one else shows any sign of illness whatsoever. She was a black Doe which could have possible let to her having a heat stroke. That's the only thing I can think of.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#27 From: "M Grim" <margotg39@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: Half time is dead :O( margotg39@...
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Bobbie,
Could you give us more info on half-time? How old was she? Was she
lactating? What was she eating? Maybe we can help you puzzle this out....
I'm so sorry you lost her. That's the worst!

Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

>From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
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>Bobbie,
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>I'm sorry to hear of your loss.  When stuff like this happens I just wish I
>was so much smarter.
>
>Marlo Schuh
>desertwindranch.com
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>   From: Bobbie Milsom
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>   Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:17 AM
>   Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] Half time is dead :O(
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>   I went out this morning at 6am to change out and fill all the water
>pails and Half Time was laying dead in front of the barn.  She looked
>perfectly fine when I was out watering last night!  All my goats are
>vaccinated each year so I don't think it was Enterotoxaemia. Everyone else
>seems to be ok.
>   Could it have been the heat?
>
>   She was a good girl and I'll miss her.
>   I'm at least glad that I kept her Buck Kid this past breeding.  At least
>I didn't lose her genetics completely.
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>   Bobbie Milsom
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#26 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:40 pm
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Thanks Marlo,

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#25 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:57 pm
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Bobbie,

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. When stuff like this happens I just wish I was so much smarter.

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:17 AM

Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] Half time is dead :O(

I went out this morning at 6am to change out and fill all the water pails and Half Time was laying dead in front of the barn. She looked perfectly fine when I was out watering last night! All my goats are vaccinated each year so I don't think it was Enterotoxaemia. Everyone else seems to be ok.

Could it have been the heat?

She was a good girl and I'll miss her.

I'm at least glad that I kept her Buck Kid this past breeding. At least I didn't lose her genetics completely.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#24 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:43 pm
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The key is the kinks in the coat. I've never seen that except in cases of copper deficiency.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#23 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:17 pm
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I went out this morning at 6am to change out and fill all the water pails and Half Time was laying dead in front of the barn. She looked perfectly fine when I was out watering last night! All my goats are vaccinated each year so I don't think it was Enterotoxaemia. Everyone else seems to be ok.

Could it have been the heat?

She was a good girl and I'll miss her.

I'm at least glad that I kept her Buck Kid this past breeding. At least I didn't lose her genetics completely.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#22 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:21 pm
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I guess to tell if there was a problem with copper deficiency it would be a number of the symptoms. Any/all of the coat conditions could also be caused by the sun.

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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From: Bobbie Milsom

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:13 AM

Subject: Re: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals

Copper deficiency in goats has the following symptoms.

A visible V in the tip of their tails from the side (caused by the bald tip of their tail)

Little fish hook appearances to their coats ( especially along the back)

Red legs on black goats

faded color. ( I've seen white goats turn to a beautifully grey after getting a diet with minerals.)

Bald spots on their faces

Poor immune system

Poor milk production

Rough faded fur.

weak or stiff back legs

weak walls in the hooves

continuous hoof rot problems and the list goes on. It is my opinion that copper is the single most important mineral you can provide for your goats. Without it ...everything seems to go out of balance.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#21 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:13 pm
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Copper deficiency in goats has the following symptoms.

A visible V in the tip of their tails from the side (caused by the bald tip of their tail)

Little fish hook appearances to their coats ( especially along the back)

Red legs on black goats

faded color. ( I've seen white goats turn to a beautifully grey after getting a diet with minerals.)

Bald spots on their faces

Poor immune system

Poor milk production

Rough faded fur.

weak or stiff back legs

weak walls in the hooves

continuous hoof rot problems and the list goes on. It is my opinion that copper is the single most important mineral you can provide for your goats. Without it ...everything seems to go out of balance.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#20 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:06 pm
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Margot,

For my goats I keep a 37% protein block in there pens which has 40ppm of copper in them. The goats do very well on these blocks and look great.

Don't put them in with your sheep though. They're far to high in copper for them.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#19 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:54 pm
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Margot,

Bobbie is the goat expert and I really don't know what copper deficiently looks like. We've had these goats for 4 years and they look fine to me. As for horses, my experience has been that when given the trace mineral blocks they go unused. If you are keeping all of them together just put out a plain salt block in addition to the copper/trace mineral block.

As for the midnight wanderers it's only because they were in a new place. They will settle down when they are comfortable.

Enjoy!

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 2:13 AM

Subject: Re: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals

Hi Marlo, Do your goats then become copper deficient? A couple of my older pygmies show some signs of possible copper deficiency, so I'm either going to give them copper boluses or paint them with copper sulfate. I'm a bit worried that the goats and horses will become copper deficient if I buy blocks with no copper added... I'm wondering this "out loud" as I try to figure out how to do this, at least until the sheep have their own quaters. I brought the girls home today, and they're doing great! I just came in fromwandering around the pasture to see what they're up to -- yes, I know it's 2 AM -- and they were just roaming around, unlike the goats who were all "tucked in" and snoring away. Is this typical? How bad does the weather get before they look for shelter? The goats can't stand a drop of rain, but I don't know how these sheep are in inclement weather. And do they sleep much at night? Maybe mine are just exploring tonight... Margot Grim Grim's Faerytale Farm Woodinville, WA >From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...> >Reply-To: minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com >To: <minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals >Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:50:02 -0700 > >Hi Margot, > >I, too live in Az and at one time kept my goats and sheep together and had >a cattle/horse trace mineral block in addition to a plain salt block for >them and had no problems. I decided not to continue that practice and now >have a trace mineral salt with selenium block for all classes of beef >cattle, sheep and horses that specifically says on the label no copper >added. I figure if I am buying blocks I might as well get something more >specific to my sheep. > >Marlo Schuh >desertwindranch.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M Grim > To: minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:39 AM > Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals > > > Hi, > I've heard that sheep don't need the copper that goats do, and not to > supplement with copper.Does the copper in a mineral salt block made for > horses contain too much copper for sheep? My goats and horses both have > access to said salt/mineral blocks. Do I need to keep the sheep away >from > these? Do I need a particular salt/mineral block made for sheep? I also > provide a loose mineral salt with selenium for the goats, mixed 50/50 >with > kelp meal. Is this a no-no? What do you use for salt/mineral >supplements? > Any info would be great! > > Thanks, > Margot Grim > Grim's Faerytale Farm > Woodinville, WA > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "minicheviotsheepconnection" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > minicheviotsheepconnection-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >Service. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

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#18 From: "M Grim" <margotg39@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:25 am
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Thanks, Bobbie,
There are areas around here, I believe, that are copper deficient. I have
large cattle (and horse) mineral salt blocks out, and it sounds like the
sheep should do fine with them. They will be able to graze, as well as get
hay and some COB when in late gestation and lactation. And some COB now, as
I'm trying to make friends with them!

Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

>From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
>Reply-To: minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com
>To: <minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:24:41 -0700
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>Hi Margot,
>
>It really depends where you live and if your area is deficient in copper.
>It also would depend on rather your miniature Cheviot have open graze or
>hand fed hay.  The last thing that would contribute is the content of any
>grain mixes you may feed.
>
>Arizona is very deficient in copper. I was told by a local sheep herd
>person who has a herd of 100 sheep that he provides mineral blocks for his
>sheep.  By his suggestion,  I keep trace mineral blocks in their pens that
>are classified for cattle.  My sheep seem to do very well with them.
>Bobbie Milsom
>Maricopa Arizona
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#17 From: "M Grim" <margotg39@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:13 am
Subject: Re: sheep and copper/minerals margotg39@...
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Hi Marlo,
Do your goats then become copper deficient? A couple of my older pygmies
show some signs of possible copper deficiency, so I'm either going to give
them copper boluses or paint them with copper sulfate. I'm a bit worried
that the goats and horses will become copper deficient if I buy blocks with
no copper added... I'm wondering this "out loud" as I try to figure out how
to do this, at least until the sheep have their own quaters.

I brought the girls home today, and they're doing great! I just came in
fromwandering around the pasture to see what they're up to -- yes, I know
it's 2 AM -- and they were just roaming around, unlike the goats who were
all "tucked in" and snoring away. Is this typical? How bad does the weather
get before they look for shelter? The goats can't stand a drop of rain, but
I don't know how these sheep are in inclement weather. And do they sleep
much at night? Maybe mine are just exploring tonight...

Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

>From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
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>To: <minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals
>Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:50:02 -0700
>
>Hi Margot,
>
>I, too live in Az and at one time kept my goats and sheep together and had
>a cattle/horse trace mineral block in addition to a plain salt block for
>them and had no problems.  I decided not to continue that practice and now
>have a trace mineral salt with selenium block for all classes of beef
>cattle, sheep and horses that specifically says on the label no copper
>added.  I figure if I am buying blocks I might as well get something more
>specific to my sheep.
>
>Marlo Schuh
>desertwindranch.com
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: M Grim
>   To: minicheviotsheepconnection@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:39 AM
>   Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals
>
>
>   Hi,
>   I've heard that sheep don't need the copper that goats do, and not to
>   supplement with copper.Does the copper in a mineral salt block made for
>   horses contain too much copper for sheep? My goats and horses both have
>   access to said salt/mineral blocks. Do I need to keep the sheep away
>from
>   these? Do I need a particular salt/mineral block made for sheep? I also
>   provide a loose mineral salt with selenium for the goats, mixed 50/50
>with
>   kelp meal. Is this a no-no? What do you use for salt/mineral
>supplements?
>   Any info would be great!
>
>   Thanks,
>   Margot Grim
>   Grim's Faerytale Farm
>   Woodinville, WA
>
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#16 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:44 am
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Ralph,

I only have one little black Ram Lamb for sale. I wish I could help you out but I don't have that many Cheviot miniatures.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#15 From: "Ralph Walchle" <Ralph@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:47 am
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Hi Bobbie,

Thanks for the info. Thought I had goofed. I am from Colorado and will be here in Scottsdale for a couple days. Are you near here and do you have miniature Cheviots ? I am interested in purchasing some. I have regular Border Cheviots but sure would like to get some of the smaller variety.

Thanks,

Ralph

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Hi again Ralph,

You joined the miniature Cheviot Sheep group in Yahoo. That's why your seeing other members e-mail. :O)

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#14 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:10 pm
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Hi again Ralph,

You joined the miniature Cheviot Sheep group in Yahoo. That's why your seeing other members e-mail. :O)

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#13 From: "Ralph Walchle" <Ralph@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:17 pm
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Hi Marlo.

Got your reply here. I am not the greatest technology guy so not quite sure how Margot’s question got connected to my mail. I am from Colorado, and a breeder of Border Cheviots. I am looking to buy some of the small ones. Do you have or know of anyone who has any for sale ? I am in Flagstaff at this moment and will be headed to Scottsdale today through Wednesday. I can also be reached on my cell phone 970-209-4300 if you know of any for sale.

Thanks,

Ralph

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Hi Margot,

I, too live in Az and at one time kept my goats and sheep together and had a cattle/horse trace mineral block in addition to a plain salt block for them and had no problems. I decided not to continue that practice and now have a trace mineral salt with selenium block for all classes of beef cattle, sheep and horses that specifically says on the label no copper added. I figure if I am buying blocks I might as well get something more specific to my sheep.

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:39 AM

Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals

Hi,
I've heard that sheep don't need the copper that goats do, and not to
supplement with copper.Does the copper in a mineral salt block made for
horses contain too much copper for sheep? My goats and horses both have
access to said salt/mineral blocks. Do I need to keep the sheep away from
these? Do I need a particular salt/mineral block made for sheep? I also
provide a loose mineral salt with selenium for the goats, mixed 50/50 with
kelp meal. Is this a no-no? What do you use for salt/mineral supplements?
Any info would be great!

Thanks,
Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

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#12 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:50 pm
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Hi Margot,

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:39 AM

Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] sheep and copper/minerals

Hi, I've heard that sheep don't need the copper that goats do, and not to supplement with copper.Does the copper in a mineral salt block made for horses contain too much copper for sheep? My goats and horses both have access to said salt/mineral blocks. Do I need to keep the sheep away from these? Do I need a particular salt/mineral block made for sheep? I also provide a loose mineral salt with selenium for the goats, mixed 50/50 with kelp meal. Is this a no-no? What do you use for salt/mineral supplements? Any info would be great! Thanks, Margot Grim Grim's Faerytale Farm Woodinville, WA

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#11 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:24 pm
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Hi Margot,

It really depends where you live and if your area is deficient in copper. It also would depend on rather your miniature Cheviot have open graze or hand fed hay. The last thing that would contribute is the content of any grain mixes you may feed.

Arizona is very deficient in copper. I was told by a local sheep herd person who has a herd of 100 sheep that he provides mineral blocks for his sheep. By his suggestion, I keep trace mineral blocks in their pens that are classified for cattle. My sheep seem to do very well with them.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona

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#10 From: "M Grim" <margotg39@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:39 pm
Subject: sheep and copper/minerals margotg39@...
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Hi,
I've heard that sheep don't need the copper that goats do, and not to
supplement with copper.Does the copper in a mineral salt block made for
horses contain too much copper for sheep? My goats and horses both have
access to said salt/mineral blocks. Do I need to keep the sheep away from
these? Do I need a particular salt/mineral block made for sheep? I also
provide a loose mineral salt with selenium for the goats, mixed 50/50 with
kelp meal. Is this a no-no? What do you use for salt/mineral supplements?
Any info would be great!

Thanks,
Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

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#9 From: "Marlo Schuh" <schuh@...>
Date: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:27 pm
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Welcome Margot,

It's always nice to have more sheep folks in our fold(pretty good, eh?). You could never ask too many questions...there will be someone with an answer...Welcome again!

Marlo Schuh
desertwindranch.com

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:50 PM

Subject: [minicheviotsheepconnection] hello!

Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group and introduce myself. I'm Margot Grim and I'm buying a couple ewes that my friend Laura Workman bought from Sheri, (who's last name I don't actually know...) I'm sure most of you know these two ewes. At any rate, I'm picking up the girls on Sunday and I'm really excited about it! It was love at first sight for me, though I'm not sure they felt the same way about me -- they're rather shy! I have no doubt, though, that we'll make friends pretty fast. They'll have a forever home here, and Laura may get some lambs before too long if she decides she's ready for more sheep! I'm full of questions about the breed, and a bit confused as well on some points. I'll try not to be too much of a pest! I have lots of goat experience, and have cared for other's sheep, but these will be my first very-own-sheep. I currently have twenty seven goats (five different breeds, for milk, fiber and pets) ten horses including one wonderful QH stallion, and an embarrassing number of cats and dogs. Oh -- and I can't forget the rabbits, chicken and ducks! I love all my critters, and am particularly interested in health/husbandry topics. I worked until recently as a vet tech, and am now working for a local animal/farm care business. I'm interested in fiber animals/ fiber of various kinds, so I'm thrilled to have some sheep/wool to work with in addition to my mohair, angora and cashmere. So glad this list is here! Margot Grim Grim's Faerytale Farm Woodinville, WA

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#8 From: "M Grim" <margotg39@...>
Date: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:50 pm
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Just wanted to say "Hi" to the group and introduce myself. I'm Margot Grim
and I'm buying a couple ewes that my friend Laura Workman bought from Sheri,
(who's last name I don't actually know...) I'm sure most of you know these
two ewes. At any rate, I'm picking up the girls on Sunday and I'm really
excited about it! It was love at first sight for me, though I'm not sure
they felt the same way about me -- they're rather shy! I have no doubt,
though, that we'll make friends pretty fast. They'll have a forever home
here, and Laura may get some lambs before too long if she decides she's
ready for more sheep!

I'm full of questions about the breed, and a bit confused as well on some
points. I'll try not to be too much of a pest! I have lots of goat
experience, and have cared for other's sheep, but these will be my first
very-own-sheep. I currently have twenty seven goats (five different breeds,
for milk, fiber and pets) ten horses including one wonderful QH stallion,
and an embarrassing number of cats and dogs. Oh -- and I can't forget the
rabbits, chicken and ducks! I love all my critters, and am particularly
interested in health/husbandry topics. I worked until recently as a vet
tech, and am now working for a local  animal/farm care business. I'm
interested in fiber animals/ fiber of various kinds, so I'm thrilled to have
some sheep/wool to work with in addition to my mohair, angora and cashmere.

So glad this list is here!

Margot Grim
Grim's Faerytale Farm
Woodinville, WA

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#7 From: "Sheila Isham" <imisham@...>
Date: Sun May 8, 2005 12:32 pm
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Hey Bobby,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. We basically use the same storage methods, only we use bungy cords to keep the lids on tight. For some reason we don't have as much of a bug problem here in the South as I remeber having when I was growing up in the desert. We do have to keep things tight (and in metal) because of rodents though. (BIG citrus rats live in FL. and they like to eat feed too!) I don't know about the sheep feed that you saw with your friend--I think we haven't seen anything around here like that. We try to stay as organic as possible (as far as stuff with molasses and such goes) because it does the same thing to our goats as it does to yours. We don't have anyone lactating and so do not really need the extra additives. Pretty much our sheep and goats eat close to the same diet. Peanut hay and pounded up alfalfa cubes are the staples along with watever grass (and grape leaves :) they forage when they are in the field. Every once in a while they will clean up oats or grain that the donkey's and camel leave behind (we have some finnicky eaters!). But their diet seems good, they are all in good shape with nice wool and glossy coats.

Have a great Mother's Day.

-Sheila Isham

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#6 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:55 am
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Hi Sheila,

We've tried in the past to feed some stuff called Chaff Hay but it was sprayed with molasses and my pygmy goats got fat very quickly so we stopped using it.

The hay cubes would be a good Idea. The local feed store has hay/Bermuda grass cubes that might work nicely for the Miniature Cheviot Sheep.

I went to visit a friend in Marana a few days ago and we stopped at their local feed store. He had a stack of Lamb feed with cocidia stat for $7.00 a 50# bag. He also has some senior horse feed with 60ppm of Copper in it for $8.00 a 50# bag. I got that to add to my dairy goats grain to help boost their copper levels while they're lactating and a 50# bag of DE to use in their grain and pens to keep bugs out. We stored all the grain mixes in 55gallon drums which we lined with a large leaf bag. We mixed the gain with DE to keep out any bugs, put the metal ring on the drum to hold the lid down very tight and tightened it up as tight as we could get it to keep out the bugs. My husband had also brought home a large metal chest that had a seal all around the top. He put some wheels on it and welded any tiny openings he could see to prevent the bugs from getting it. I put all the lamb feed in it. Everything is sealed up tightly and hopeful will remain bug free. to feed all summer.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona
Pygmies, Myotonic, Alpine, Pygora
,LaMancha, Nigerian Dwarf
and Miniature Cheviot Sheep

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#5 From: "Sheila Isham" <imisham@...>
Date: Tue May 3, 2005 4:08 am
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Bobby,

We feed alfalfa cubes to our cheviots but we pound them up with a hammer first. I can't imagine that pellets would be all that different. Like any other new food that you introduce to sheep, just do it slowly. Ours love it.

Sheila Isham :)

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#4 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:42 am
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Has anyone ever fed Alfalfa pellets to their Miniature Cheviot Sheep? With the hay prices so high I'm thinking about using my 4 ton storage full of Alfalfa Pellets but don't know if the sheep will do well on them or not.

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona
Pygmies, Myotonic, Alpine, Pygora
,LaMancha, Nigerian Dwarf
and Miniature Cheviot Sheep

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#3 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:13 pm
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Welcome to the group........we're always happy to see new members.

I'm the moderator of this group althoug I don't seem to need to do much
moderating.  Everyone in this group is very nice and we all have a good
time with our sheep.

We just got done shearing our.  They all look so nice sheared!

Bobbie Milsom
Maricopa Arizona
Pygmies, Myotonic, Alpine, Pygora
,LaMancha, Nigerian Dwarf
and Miniature Cheviot Sheep

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#2 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:52 am
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I'm also still looking for articles for the website. They have to be well researched with valid information but truly it isn't hard to find such material on the university website. I need more information for the health care of Mini Cheviot Sheep, I also need more history and Links to other website some of you may have felt useful to you. Pictures of your little darling and weblinks for animal games etc.

I'm building this website for everyone ; please don't be afraid to add a little of yourself to it. :O)

Bobbie Milsom
Arizona Pygmy Goats
Maricopa AZ 85239

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#1 From: "Bobbie Milsom" <CUDCHEWERS@...>
Date: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:45 am
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I tried to contact everyone the other day on the Miniature Cheviot Sheep Chat group and found it was close. I have no idea what happened. It could have been a yahoo glitch; however I haven't been able to get a response form Shari who was the list owner either. I hope she'll let us all know what happened later.

In the mean time I started this group for communication about our little sheep and the website I'm building for the group.

?? Do any of you make things you might want to sell. For instance my husband make wonderful Milk/hove trimming stands that I sell for hay money. If any of you have something animal related that you'd like to market........we could set up a shopping page or two on the website. If anyone is interested in this idea..........let me know. :O)

Bobbie Milsom
Arizona Pygmy Goats
Maricopa AZ 85239

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