There's another thing I came across. I am testing a system based on
EoD data. My system generates two orders on the last bar of data
(which is actually 28th of September 2001):

46 20010928 1600 Buy-Mkt FoK         - 1 20010928 1600 Open - dz_buy
47 20010928 1600 Buy-Stop GTC 962.907  1 20010928 1600 Open - mmstop

But these orders are not shown in the systemmonitor although
trade.monitor is set to true on the first bar of the chart (see
below). Is there something else I have to do to make these orders
appear in the systemmonitor window ?

Thanks for your help.

Michael

Hi,
programming and testing a trading system I came across a definition
that puzzled me a bit.
After entering a long position (+1) I am trying to set a
money-management-stop to limit my downside risk. I used to do this
with a sell stop order. But this order behaves like what I am used to
know as a buy stop order. Using a buy stop it works fine.
What is the correct way to place a protective stop for a long
position. Is it really defined as buy stop ? Is this a common
definition ?

I sent this message to the tickquest support board it I think it fits
better in here.


Michael

> -Please check the gif file. I unchecked 'load by tick' and still got the same
amount of intraday
> data. It went back to about 1 month yesterday morning and now it doesn't  get
there.
> I checked both eSignal and Metastock chart and they have no problems go back
to two months.
> Are you able to get the data more than a month with yours?
>

Was very busy today - can answer the question now.

It seems NeoTicker is a new app for eSignal, thus the restriction
of 10 days is still there. I've checked the maximum request allowed
using my debug tools ... will report this to eSignal to see if they
will relax the condition for NeoTicker :)

On the other hand, there is no need to worry, because the data is cached
locally so you will be able to address more data everyday. And eventually
you can address more data than eSignal or MetaStock :)

Lawrence

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> -As for the Min Max button on the chart, the control button is under "visual"
and I did switch
> from large to normal.
> I just never expected that it would affect the Min Max setting. The smaller
title bar can't have
> Min Max?

The min / max button are hidden by MS Windows, but you can still access the
service through right-click on the caption bar itself. Less convenient but
works.

Why the min/max buttons? I think Microsoft has its reasons ...
but no one understand them ...  :) we definitely want them to stay on in small
caption.

Lawrence


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Transform market data into opportunities

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I've changed the NeoTicker group to unmoderated.

Hopefully this will improve communication without
introducing spamming.

Louis

Hello,
-Regarding the no data before '99, it was my mistake. I was doing QQQ and it is normal for that chart.
-I am still getting 4 bars per day on Min/60 setting. Please check the gif file.
-Something else happed this evening. The screen got frozen for a while and next thing that I knew was I lost MIN and Max button on the chart screen.(Check the same gif) The rebooting or remove-reinstallation did not help.
Notice Chart Tool screen is behind the main chart and the intraday chart data shows only 2 weeks worth after this happed. (I got a month long this morning)
How can I do a "clean installation" which removes any hidden data or files that could cause this problem?
 
Thanks.
W.C

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> Notice Chart Tool screen is behind the main chart and the intraday
chart data shows only 2 weeks worth after this happed. (I got a month
long this morning)

Aside from the option load minute bar by ticks affected your
data loading, there are some other factors that is special for the
eSignal feed.

eSignal imposes a limit of the # of days you can load which varies
based on many factors - like which tick server you are connected to,
which program you are using, what time of date you are requesting the
data, etc.

NeoTicker has the special ability to cumulate historical real time
data, both tick based and minute based ones, on your hard disk
automatically , and can reuse those data no matter what the current
restriction is.

Thus longer you use NeoTicker, the more intraday data you can plot,
only limited by the available HD space :)

Lawrence

> -I am still getting 4 bars per day on Min/60 setting. Please check
the gif file.

NeoTicker is designed with Multiple Time Zone in mind thus the
trading hours should be translated to the local time zone your
computer is set to.

For example, for a New York traded stock IBM trading from 9:30 -
16:00,
it will be 8:30 to 15:00 for a computer set to use Central Time.

Please check if it is the reason.

Lawrence

> -I am still getting 4 bars per day on Min/60 setting. Please check
the gif file.

could you check under the chart manager, data setting tab,
what is showing in the trade time area ?

> -Something else happed this evening. The screen got frozen for a
while and next thing that I knew was I lost MIN and Max button on the
chart screen.(Check the same gif) The rebooting or remove-
reinstallation did not help.

Did you changed the large caption / small caption option?

With small caption there is no min/max button for function windows,
and those options are available when you right-click in the caption
area. Small caption is designed to save screen space.

Large caption mode each function windows will show their
own icons and the caption size will be normal like the
other windows program.

which MS Windows you are using?
Usually when something like this happen, you will
want to provide the configuration of your system as part of
the description so the others can have a chance to understand
where the problem may come from.


> Notice Chart Tool screen is behind the main chart and the intraday
chart data shows only 2 weeks worth after this happed. (I got a month
long this morning)

your screenshot clearly showing that you turned on the
minute bar by tick option - I think you get only 10 days of tick data
from eSignal.

For minute bar data, you can get more.

> How can I do a "clean installation" which removes any hidden data
or files that could cause this problem?

Seems like you may want to give the tutorial section under the
Help menu a shot, as NeoTicker provides quite a lot of features
in customizing its look and usage ...

>
> Thanks.
> W.C

You are welcome.

Lawrence Chan

> -E signal allows 2 months of intraday data. Neo Ticker goes up
about
> one month, and I just checked it with Metastock and it shows
intraday
> chart for a little over two months long.

if possible, please post your settings that lead to this behaviour ...
the info that affects the data loaded are,

1. data setting (trading hours, weekends in use, etc.)
2. days to load
3. symbol in question

I will test in real time tomorrow and take some screenshots.

> What should I do to make Pitchfork on the drawing tools? I tried it
> with Fan tool and couldn't make it. I had to use both trendlline
and
> s/r tool.

we are revising the chart tool bar which includes adding a few more
drawing tools. Pitchfork is a good choice, but which camp are you in
creating the "fork"? Maybe we need to accomodate a few different
style of fork construction, do let us know how you usually draw the
fork.

> I am interested in the drawing tool scripts to make my own and I
> couldn't find any sample codes.

There is no "customize" drawing tool available in 2.4
I am working on a way to provide easy user plug in of
customized drawing tool, which will be made available when
it is completed.

> Since my experience is limited to Metastock codes, the drawing tool
> example scripts would be a good help.

will definitely include code example when it is made available.

Lawrence

> -The chart goes only up to March '99 on Daily and up. No data before
> March '99.

What symbols you are retrieving?  I have no problem getting daily data back
to 1990 for GE, IBM amd MSFT with eSignal.

Make sure you have set enough days to load (in chart, Esc, right click, days
to load)

> -The problem with intraday bar size setting. Choosing Min / 60 should
> give 7 bars per day (6 1/2 hrs), but It displays 4   bars per day.
> The same thing happens on other time frames.(Min / 10 puts out 21
> bars/day. It should be 39 bars)

I do get 7 bars per day (see attached file 60minMSFT.gif).  Please verify
the trading time under chart manager.

> -E signal allows 2 months of intraday data. Neo Ticker goes up about
> one month, and I just checked it with Metastock and it shows intraday
> chart for a little over two months long.

Lawrence will follow up on this.

> -When I picked the manual price scale selection, all the numbers on
> the vertical scale  disappeared and stays that way until I choose
> Auto scale back.

I assume you turn on overlay on the data.  This is the designed behavior
as the data lost its scaling information.

If you simply want a fixed scale on the chart, press Esc, right click to
open
the popup menu and choose Edit Pane.

> What should I do to make Pitchfork on the drawing tools? I tried it
> with Fan tool and couldn't make it. I had to use both trendlline and
> s/r tool.

Lawrence will follow up on this.

> I am interested in the drawing tool scripts to make my own and I
> couldn't find any sample codes.
> Since my experience is limited to Metastock codes, the drawing tool
> example scripts would be a good help.

Drawing tool scripts are not available in NeoTicker.  This feature has been
requested and will be added in a later release.

-----------------
Louis Lin
TickQuest Inc    www.tickquest.com


----- Original Message -----
From: <calair@...>
To: <neoticker@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:15 PM
Subject: [neoticker] e signal chart


> Hi,
> I tried e signal real time this morning and got some points to make.
> -The chart goes only up to March '99 on Daily and up. No data before
> March '99.
> -The problem with intraday bar size setting. Choosing Min / 60 should
> give 7 bars per day (6 1/2 hrs), but It displays 4   bars per day.
> The same thing happens on other time frames.(Min / 10 puts out 21
> bars/day. It should be 39 bars)
> -E signal allows 2 months of intraday data. Neo Ticker goes up about
> one month, and I just checked it with Metastock and it shows intraday
> chart for a little over two months long.
> -When I picked the manual price scale selection, all the numbers on
> the vertical scale  disappeared and stays that way until I choose
> Auto scale back.
>
> What should I do to make Pitchfork on the drawing tools? I tried it
> with Fan tool and couldn't make it. I had to use both trendlline and
> s/r tool.
> I am interested in the drawing tool scripts to make my own and I
> couldn't find any sample codes.
> Since my experience is limited to Metastock codes, the drawing tool
> example scripts would be a good help.
>
> Thanks.
> w.c
>
>
>
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>

Hi,
I tried e signal real time this morning and got some points to make.
-The chart goes only up to March '99 on Daily and up. No data before
March '99.
-The problem with intraday bar size setting. Choosing Min / 60 should
give 7 bars per day (6 1/2 hrs), but It displays 4   bars per day.
The same thing happens on other time frames.(Min / 10 puts out 21
bars/day. It should be 39 bars)
-E signal allows 2 months of intraday data. Neo Ticker goes up about
one month, and I just checked it with Metastock and it shows intraday
chart for a little over two months long.
-When I picked the manual price scale selection, all the numbers on
the vertical scale  disappeared and stays that way until I choose
Auto scale back.

What should I do to make Pitchfork on the drawing tools? I tried it
with Fan tool and couldn't make it. I had to use both trendlline and
s/r tool.
I am interested in the drawing tool scripts to make my own and I
couldn't find any sample codes.
Since my experience is limited to Metastock codes, the drawing tool
example scripts would be a good help.

Thanks.
w.c

I just uploaded the files CurrDHigh.Pas and
CurrDLow.Pas to the file area.

They implement the current day high and low
indicators.

To install them, use Install Indicator buttons
in the script manager.

Louis

Someone questioned me why NeoTicker has only indicators,
no show-me, no color-study, blah blah blah ...

The short answer is that NeoTicker's indicator can do
all these specialized concepts without the extra
trouble of making you to learn yet another set of rules
to create your ideal form of presentation, with the
advantage the indicator can be reused in scanner, and
other windows that will support indicator computation.

Louis already posted one example in a previous message
showing this unique power,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neoticker/files/colorstudy.gif

Lawrence

I have posted one example group of function windows already.

Now, if you are interested in other type of setups,
let me know. Will provide more examples based on your requests.

For those who is interested to see or learn how to
program in NeoTicker, then post your request and we can
talk about it here with illustrative code.

Lawrence

Welcome all new members who signed up this week.

This board is different from the NeoTicker discussion board
on our official site as that is more for technical support
issues, etc.

For this group, feel free to post about trading, ideas in
using NeoTicker, questions on how to use NeoTicker, etc.

It is less formal and hopefully everyone will feel at ease :)

Lawrence

We've added rule based coloring to quote window
in NeoTicker 2.5.

I've uploaded the screenshot to the files area,
here is a link to the file:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neoticker/files/neotickercolumnpropertie
s.gif

Louis

We have created the first set of sample group with function windows
that is suitable for different style of trading.

The sample_real_time_swing_trade group contains a set of 7 function
windows. It provides a basic framework for those who like to
daytrade only a few times per day.

To use the group, download the files from their respective sample
folder in the file section and then save them into the NeoTicker
directory. If you do not know how to copy function windows in
NeoTicker. Check out the FAQ section in our site.

A screenshot of these windows in action is uploaded into the file
area,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/neoticker/files/sample_real_time_swing_trade.jpg

The detail step by step screenshot of this group will be featured in
our website under the case study area.

Enjoy.

Lawrence

--

List of the windows,

QUOTE
sample_mkt_summary
sample_real_time

PATTERN SCANNER
sample_short_target
sample_long_target

TIME CHART
sample_real_time_swing_3min
sample_real_time_swing_39min

VOL DIST CHART
sample_2day

Thanks for the example!!
Derek

--- In neoticker@y..., "Louis Lin" <lhclin@t...> wrote:
> I wrote a quick example of how to do color studies in NeoTicker.
Even
> color studies is not native to NeoTicker.  NeoTicker is flexible
enough
> for the user to create the same funcationality.
>
> The attached example script is a simple 2-color version of color
studies.
> A generalization to multiple color is trivial.
>
> The figure shows the application of this 2-color version to the
subtraction
> of price and moving average.
>
> This example also illustrates that a workflow difference between RQ
and
> NeoTicker.
>
> RQ depends a lot on formula.  User enters the formula by keyboard.
>
> NeoTicker can create abitrary complex setup by visually applying
indicator
> on
> indicator, which is equivalent to formula, but relies on mouse
clicks and
> drag and drop.
>
> -----------------
> Louis Lin
> TickQuest Inc    www.tickquest.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <stnahc@y...>
> To: <neoticker@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:04 AM
> Subject: [neoticker] Color Studies in RQ
>
>
> >
> > I have browse through the chart in the file area.
> >
> > Two points,
> >
> > 1. Why separate type of studies?! NT's indicators can be used
> > anywhere in the program ...
> >
> > 2. NeoTicker can create indicators that look like those color
studies
> > without any problem at all. Just create indicators that returns
> > either 1 or setting itself.success = false will do. Of course the
> > plot style must be one of Dot, Up, or Down. NT can have multiple
> > color too.
> >
> > Lawrence Chan
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > neoticker-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >

I wrote a quick example of how to do color studies in NeoTicker.   Even
color studies is not native to NeoTicker.  NeoTicker is flexible enough
for the user to create the same funcationality.

The attached example script is a simple 2-color version of color studies.
A generalization to multiple color is trivial.

The figure shows the application of this 2-color version to the subtraction
of price and moving average.

This example also illustrates that a workflow difference between RQ and
NeoTicker.

RQ depends a lot on formula.  User enters the formula by keyboard.

NeoTicker can create abitrary complex setup by visually applying indicator
on
indicator, which is equivalent to formula, but relies on mouse clicks and
drag and drop.

-----------------
Louis Lin
TickQuest Inc    www.tickquest.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <stnahc@...>
To: <neoticker@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: [neoticker] Color Studies in RQ


>
> I have browse through the chart in the file area.
>
> Two points,
>
> 1. Why separate type of studies?! NT's indicators can be used
> anywhere in the program ...
>
> 2. NeoTicker can create indicators that look like those color studies
> without any problem at all. Just create indicators that returns
> either 1 or setting itself.success = false will do. Of course the
> plot style must be one of Dot, Up, or Down. NT can have multiple
> color too.
>
> Lawrence Chan
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> neoticker-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

I have browse through the chart in the file area.

Two points,

1. Why separate type of studies?! NT's indicators can be used
anywhere in the program ...

2. NeoTicker can create indicators that look like those color studies
without any problem at all. Just create indicators that returns
either 1 or setting itself.success = false will do. Of course the
plot style must be one of Dot, Up, or Down. NT can have multiple
color too.

Lawrence Chan

Louis,

I have posted an example in the files area. Color studies are the
six "rainbows" in the middle of the chart. These can be programmed to
do anything you want.

Derek

P.S. Just a suggestion, I would make this an unmoderated group so
people can more easily communicate with you. Tenlights (the makers of
RavenQuote) are going out of business, so people are going to try and
find new software.


--- In neoticker@y..., "Louis Lin" <lhclin@t...> wrote:
> 1. Can you elborate a bit on color studies.  Is it a chart feature
or a
> quote sheet feature?
>
>    In RQ's website, only a s list of studies are shown after I
click color
> studies (no screenshot).
>    The listed studies are all supported by NeoTicker's charts.
>
> 2. No.
>
> 3. Fibonacci lines can be drawn using the support/resistance
drawing tool in
> NeoTicker.
>     For an example, go to:
>     http://www.tickquest.com/NeoTicker/features/drawingtools.html
>
> -----------------
> Louis Lin
> TickQuest Inc    www.tickquest.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek" <derekshepard@y...>
> To: <neoticker@y...>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:52 PM
> Subject: [neoticker] Potential New User
>
>
> > I am in the process of evaluating your software and have a few
> > questions.
> > 1) Does your software support Color Studies ala RavenQuote or
ribbons
> > ala MetaStock?
> > 2) Can one program custom Alerts?
> > 3) How does one draw Fibonacci Retracements?
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > neoticker-unsubscribe@y...
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >

1. Can you elborate a bit on color studies.  Is it a chart feature or a
quote sheet feature?

    In RQ's website, only a s list of studies are shown after I click color
studies (no screenshot).
    The listed studies are all supported by NeoTicker's charts.

2. No.

3. Fibonacci lines can be drawn using the support/resistance drawing tool in
NeoTicker.
     For an example, go to:
     http://www.tickquest.com/NeoTicker/features/drawingtools.html

-----------------
Louis Lin
TickQuest Inc    www.tickquest.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek" <derekshepard@...>
To: <neoticker@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: [neoticker] Potential New User


> I am in the process of evaluating your software and have a few
> questions.
> 1) Does your software support Color Studies ala RavenQuote or ribbons
> ala MetaStock?
> 2) Can one program custom Alerts?
> 3) How does one draw Fibonacci Retracements?
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> neoticker-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

I am in the process of evaluating your software and have a few
questions.
1) Does your software support Color Studies ala RavenQuote or ribbons
ala MetaStock?
2) Can one program custom Alerts?
3) How does one draw Fibonacci Retracements?
Thanks

The traffic on this group is very light
as most of the users tend to use the
support board on the tickquest website
or send us direct email.

When we established the NeoTicker group,
we are trying to set up an informal
discussion environment.  Also, people
who like to use email rather than a
web-based board will find the group more
comfortable to work with.

Just some random thoughts.

Louis

Welcome all this NeoTicker forum.

Here, we can talk about anything related to trading and explore usage
of NeoTicker in real life trading.

If you are new to trading, feel free to ask questions.

If you are using an existing platform but interested to know how
others trading with NeoTicker, come join us.

This is not the official discussion board for the NeoTicker support.
If you are are interested in doing so, go visit the tickquest website.

Although this group is found by me (Lawrence Chan), one of our
NeoTicker user, John Romero, will be the moderator to this group, and
I will leave this forum under his discretion.

-Lawrence

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