Continuing Joe's trend of uploading photos of smaller machines, I
uploaded a couple of pics of a 1930's Boice-Crane "bench-top" tilting
arbor saw.  I couldn't believe my eyes when I walked in the seller's
garage and found it set up with a 40" commercial Biesemeyer fence.  I
bought it for two reasons.  First, to get the Bies for my Unisaw. ;-)
Second, this is a really cool old saw! They might have called it a
bench-top machine, but don't be fooled.  It is shockingly heavy for
it's size.

I'd really hate to see this list degenerate into a "Hey look what's
selling on eBay!!!" thing but can't pass up mentioning this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=368930091

It's a variable speed model, pre-1952, made in Milwaukee and from the
looks of the oval motor tag maybe even older.  It's missing the belt
guard though.  I'm heading over to Wisconsin "Wonderful World of
Delta" Power Tools this morning and I'll see if they have a "new old
stock" guard there.  Ping me privately if you are going to bid on this
and I'll let you know if I found a guard,

The saw without motor is listed in the Delta catalog as weighing 102
lbs. so take shipping into account.  It ships from S.W. Michigan.

The ever watchful,

Keith Bohn

I saw a 3hp, 3-phase Rockwell Unisaw motor at a salvage store here a
couple of days ago. They had it tagged for $65. If anyone is
interested, let me know and I can get it for you. My zip is 27104 if
you want to estimate shipping charges.

Actually I voted....
ME

On 1 Jul 2000, at 4:20, keeter@... wrote:

> >I think that Keith should take "El Guapo" and advertise
> >it over to The Wreck that he's putting it up for auction to enable
> >him to take the proceeds and donate them to Jerry's Kids of behalf of
> > all woodworkers everywhere.
>
> So far this one hasn't gotten a single vote.
>
> Compassionate bahstads!!!
>
> Keith Bohn
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At 12:02 PM 7/1/00 +0000, you wrote:
>I'd really hate to see this list degenerate into a "Hey look what's
>selling on eBay!!!" thing but can't pass up mentioning this one.

I think that this is definitely one of the things we should be doing.

<snip>

Ping me privately if you are going to bid on this
>and I'll let you know if I found a guard,

I'm gonna bid on it - I'm gonna put $75.00 on it and see where it takes me.
I've been wanting one of these for some time now.  Actuleee, I've got a
similar one back at the homestead in VA, but it's a WT.  See if you can't
score the guard and let me know.

Joe,
The Twisted Knot Woodshop - "There's never been a classier joint."

Email:  mailto:woodwork@...
URL:  http://ronan.bigsky.net/woodwork
Known on IRC as "Woodchips"

Got a question. How much did/do the current machinery makers save by
reducing the amount of CI in their machines? I am ***no*** machinist
but having spent some little time around big iron and machine shops
in
general I see that the current trend is to fabricate the bases out of
sheet steel and fill the bases with some 'goop' to get the same
effect
that a mass of CI would provide. Is that 'goop' that much cheaper
than
CI or is this some bean counters way of getting a ill deserved bonus?
Worked in a shipwrights mill which had a old 'el guapo' in 3 phase
dress and it was not bolted to the plank floor. Yard bought a new
Delta floor shaper with the new base type of sheet metal to the floor.
That thing with 5 HP 3 phase motor bounced all over the place. The
yard made big, really big fishing trawl winches too, so I had one of
the tool makers come over to test the spindle and motor to see if
they
were the cause of the vibration. He had a gizmo similar to a doctors
stethescope(sp)with a probe instead of a flat microphone end. Wasn't
the bearings so he took the shaper over to the tool room and gave it
a
good going over. Pulled the spindle and checked the balance and run
out and did the motor too. Not a damn thing wrong with either so back
it came and we put a big rabbeting cutter on that spindle and fired
it
up and that shaper did the jitter bug across the floor. Finally we
bolted it to the floor after carefully leveling it and shimming up
one
or two areas. It ran fine after that but what a difference between
the
Unisaw and 8 inch jointer and 20 inch Davis and Wells bandsaw all of
pre WW II vintage and that spiffy new Delta shaper. So thats why I
ask
the question. To quote the late Benny Hill in the movie 'The Italian
Job', "I like 'em big, really big". Ya follow?
dave

I suppose I better get in here and defend myself before the poll gets
too out of hand.  I noticed there have been 5 respondents to date and
since I know I've not chimed it it's safe to say y'all are ganging up
on me.  Now quiddit!!!

I'll go through the machinery bio in chronological order and as I said
before, there's a story behind almost every piece in my c*ll*ct**n so
you may want to print this out and use as a sleep aid.  Now, without
further adieu,

Craftsman/King Seely 9" X 34" Wood Lathe
50's vintage - Condition:  Good
This was my first ever machinery buy and it was at an auction to boot.
Paid $200 for it in 1980 and for a while it kept me in smokes and
pizza money.  Not a bad lathe but not heavy duty by any stretch of the
imagination.

Delta No. 40-305 24" Scroll Saw
1948 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
This was given to me by my Dad.  It was given to him by someone for
some reason I've long forgotten.  Very nice machine.  It's a permanent
fixture in my shop being I received it from my Poppa.

Delta No. 999 14" Bench Top Drill Press
Late 30's/Early 40's vintage - Condition:  Excellent
Bought this for $100 back in the late 80's from a machine dealer in
St. Louis.  It required a little rubbing here and there with a Scotch
Brite pad and the run out on the chuck is non-perceptible using my
built in dial gage (forefinger and thumb).  I refer to this as "the
drill press that beat the Nazis" as I have a picture of a room at
Delta shot during the war showing row after row of this drill press
ready to go into service for war production.

Atlas Power King 12" Bandsaw
50's vintage - Condition:  Very Good
This is the tool that set off the great tool hunt of 1998/1999 and
gave me my bad reputation as a fool for a tool.  Very heavy bandsaw
with nice lines.  Atlas still has the parts list for this but no parts
are available.

Delta/Homecraft No. 34-160 8" Tilt-Table Saw
50's vintage - Condition:  Good
Went to an auction preview and this little boy was there on a Delta
stand and sporting an older Craftsman 1 horse motor.  Couldn't attend
the auction and I needed a table saw so I put in a very low proxy bid
and got it.  The teeth on the trunnion make it almost impossible to
tilt the table and I figure to put it to use some day as a dedicated
dado machine.

Delta No.1450 10" Tilting Arbor Unisaw
1939 vintage - Condition:  Good
I think I can rest my bad reputation on this saw.  This is the
infamous "El Guapo" much written about over on rec.woodworking.
Bought this from the Beast in February 1999.  What can I say but it's
one of the oldest Unisaw I know of.  The serial number is A100 which
I've yet to determine if it's the 100th. made or the 100th. of the "A"
series.  Regardless of all that it sports the four cast iron feet and
not the continuous donut base.  It's equipped with the cast iron half
goose egg motor cover and bullet motor.  I have the original switch
plate cover but not the box.  An Allen-Bradley motor control sits
where the vintage switch would have sat.  I plan to restore it to it's
former glory with vintage Jet Lock fence, take pictures, tear off the
Jet Lock and replace it with a Unifence or Biesemeyer.  I will hold
onto all the vintage parts.  I am also considering mounting a Laguna
sliding table but I'm not sure how sacrilegious that might be.  Watch
this space for future development.

Craftsman (Parks No. 95) 12" Planer
50's vintage - Condition:  Very Good
The tale that goes with this is this.  A few months before I got this
machine I'd lost out on a Parks planer at auction when I refused to go
over $650.  I then turned around and found this one for $350.  Moral
of the story, don't kick yourself too fast if you miss out on
something.  The planer is in great working order but looks a little
beat.  I'm not sure I want to tackle this one with a restoration.
Ever since I'd seen my first Parks ad in an old Fine Woodworking I'd
always wanted one.  This is a permanent fixture in my tool stable.

U.S. Cutting Chain Mfg. Co. Model BCM Mortiser
Unknown vintage - Condition:  Good
This is a 1/4" X 1" chain mortiser that I found at a rummage sale and
gave $50 for.  It weighs a ton.  It operates by a foot pedal that
leads up to the motor with the chain bar attached to the front.  The
table slides left to right around 5" making it possible to plunge the
chain and make a 1/4" X 5" wide mortise in pretty much one fell swoop.
The company is still in business and currently this machine retails
for around $3000.  Chains and bars sell for around $300 each.  It
needs an oiler before it can be run otherwise I risk ruining the chain
and bar.

Delta No.37-220 6" Jointer
50's vintage - Condition:  Mint
This was an eBay buy.  I was up against a buyer in Connecticut (the
machine was in Wisconsin) who did nothing but drive the bidding up.
The seller was close by and I popped over to take a look at it.  It
had come from a school shop but was still in good shape.  What really
drew me to it was the art deco cast iron base which was complete short
of two original thumb nuts that hold on the back panel.  Last summer I
did a complete tear down and repainted the entire machine along with
new bearings.  Sadly the original Delta motor was three phase and I
was forced to put a Baldor (used out of a Powermatic) on it.  I did
re-paint the motor Delta gray first though.  I paid something of a
premium for the machine and with the restoration I could have easily
bought a brand new machine but then I would have been just like the
rest of the shrink wrapped, fresh cosmolene crowd.

DeWalt Model MB 9" Radial Arm Saw
1955 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
Bought this on day three of a three day rummage sale for $60.  This
saw looks like a scaled down version of the 16"/18"/20" DeWalt saws
you see at the lumber yard.  Smooth lines, all cast iron and heavy as
hell.  The speckle green paint is in pretty good condition with the
exception of a few places around the base.  I'd considered a ground up
restoration until I ran into a brick wall reproducing the speckle
effect of the paint.  I suspect I'll clean it real good and put it
back into service until today's technology catches up with the 50's or
I figure out how to achieve the original paint job.

Delta No.31-506 6" X 48" Belt Sander
Pre-1952 vintage - Condition:  Good
Another eBay buy, sort of.  The machine was down in Chicago and listed
on eBay.  I stalked it figuring to go in at the last minute to be the
high bidder.  Trouble was, there were no other bidders.  I sat on my
hands until the auction was over and never put in a bid.  I e-mailed
the seller and made him a ridiculous offer for the machine.  He
countered by splitting the difference and the rest is history.  I had
not seen the machine in person until the day I went down to get it.
It has the art deco cast iron base like my jointer but the back panel
is missing.  The platen shows no signs of ever having had a belt on it
and the cut throughs on the covers are minimal.  I managed to find
another platen for this machine along with the fence at an estate sale
a few weeks back.  All I lack, along with the back panel, is the back
stop.  The machine has the original repulsion/induction motor.

Delta No.31-426 12" Disk Sander
This was another, "bought on day three of a three day rummage sale".
I walked in and the tag read $100.  The guy behind me about choked
being three seconds too late.  It has a brand new 1 1/2 horse Baldor
motor which I believe is worth $150 by itself.  Nice smooth machine
that takes forever to coast to a stop.

Craftsman "Legless" Drill Press
Vintage unknown - Condition:  Good
This poor little boy was badly abused and the floor base was a heap of
rust.  I plan to fix the column to a roll around cabinet and maybe
make it into a dedicated chisel mortiser, or sell it.

Murphy-Rodgers No. MRT-5 Dust Collector
90's vintage - Condition: Very good
Though not an old machine it's one heavy duty mamma jamma.  I
absconded with this one when Builder's Square went under and was
selling their store fixtures.  It'll become part of my shop built dust
collector system.

Atlas No. 1060 15" Floor Drill Press
50's vintage - Condition:  Good
I spotted this at an estate sale with a $75 price tag.  Not needing a
drill press I waited a day and went back when the prices were cut in
half.  The run out is horrible and it needs new bearings otherwise
it's quite nice and has those neat lines that tools used to have.

These next two items were all gotten when the Beast went out of
business and an auction was held to sell "most" of his stuff.  I've
written about the auction on rec.wood so I won't go into it here in
detail other than to say, "big arn at bargain basement prices".  I
also did not go to the auction with intent to buy what I bought and
have since found this is the best tact to take at auctions.

Mead 1" X 42" Sander
1902's vintage - Condition:  Very Good
Here I was, standing there minding my own business when the auctioneer
called this one out.  I looked down and there it sat at my feet.  No
one bid on it until I called out, "$5" and the gavel went down.  Joe
Johns was kind enough to upload a picture of a similar one that was
sold recently on eBay to the eGroups page and I suggest you take a
look at this honey.  My "old tool mentor" Herb Smith was at the
auction and he told me that Mead introduced the first 1" X 42" sander.
I don't dispute what Herb tells me.  He started with Delta in 1932 and
has seen the entire thing.  Oh by the way, it runs like a champ.

Oliver 159M Pattern Maker's Lathe
1965 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
Again, minding my own business.  This lathe was at the tail end of the
auction and on the bill just ahead of a Rockwell Standard Duty lathe.
It's back was towards the crowd and you had to climb over a few things
to see the Oliver eagle on the front of the bed, which I had done
earlier.  With no intentions of buying it I stood there listening to
the auctioneer call out $300 and not getting any takers.  He called
out $200 and still nothing.  I think it's about here that I felt like
screaming "WTF!" but I stood there biting my tongue.  He called out
$100 and still no takers.  At this point I'd had enough.  I'd always
wanted an Oliver lathe and decided I'd get this one so I yelled,
"$10!".  I was countered and I re-countered and the gavel went down.
I left $30 poorer and the full effect didn't dawn on me for a few
days.  It's missing the OEM hand levers for the tool rest socket, the
little ball for the variable speed dial and it's three phase but I'm
happy with it.  All I can figure out is the crowd was waiting to bid
on the Rockwell, which by the way was missing the tail stock, and
overlooked the Oliver which was only listed on the auction bill as
"lathe".  I've found near identical parts from McMaster-Carr for the
missing pieces and don't mind not paying Oliver $75 a piece for OEM.

Atlas 13" Jig Saw
50's/60's vintage - Condition:  Very Good
This is a little sweetie pie that I got at an estate sale.  Paid $10
for it and I told my five year old she could have it to which I got a
slight nod.  T'ain't much but like I said, a sweetie pie.

Walker-Turner 10" Cabinet Saw
40's vintage - Condition:  Good
Lived down the street from a man who made Pukey Ducks.  I never paid
attention to him but I occasionally thought about asking to see his
garage shop.  Finally this spring, a few weeks before we were set to
move, I saw the overhead door open.  Sure enough the place was wall to
wall tools, wood and junk, lots of junk.  The tools were for the most
part newer (80's) Craftsman but there sat this saw.  I asked him if
he'd like to sell it and he told me, "It's broke".  I looked a little
more and asked him again.  This time he leans into me and in a louder
voice says, "IT'S BROKE!".  I finally got him to name a price and the
saw was mine.  It has the original Driver Line motor, fence and miter
gauge.  The switch was crapped out and I found a 1948 Cutler Hammer
motor control at a local Mom & Pop Ace hardware that had been sitting
on the shelf for 52 years.  I'm also debating putting the Laguna
slider on this but again, I'm worried about sacrilege.

Now things get weird.

Delta No.385 12" Bandsaw
Late 20's/Early 30's vintage - Condition:  Good
This was an estate sale buy.  I drove up and there it sat on the side
walk with a $25 price tag on it.  It hopped into the back of my Jeep
and we were off to Wisconsin Power Tools.  They have an identical one
there and up till then it was the only one I'd ever seen.  At first I
thought it was the 10" bandsaw that's identical to the 14" but got set
straight quick.  Jeff Smith, the owner of WPT and Herb's son, had also
never seen another one like the one in the showroom.  The saw was
missing the wheel covers but a quick look though a catalog from the
early 30's confirmed that the covers were "optional".  This was
Delta's first bandsaw and discontinued in the early 30's in favor of
the 10" and 14" saws.

Delta No.385 12" Bandsaw
Late 20's/Early 30's vintage - Condition:  Poor
Not a typo!  I was surfing shortly after the buying of the above 12"
saw when I came across a classified for a 12" Delta bandsaw.  I 'bout
had kittens when I saw it was the same machine "with" the wheel covers
but missing the table.  I e-mailed the seller that I would take the
saw.  He e-mailed me back to confirm that I knew the saw's condition
to which I was ready to answer, "YES I DO!!!  WILL YOU SEND IT TO ME
OR DO I HAVE TO BEG?!!!".  A week later I had the saw.

Delta No.31-426 12" Disk Sander
1964 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
An auction buy from last weekend, this after I'd announced to one and
all that I was done.  Actually I sat six hours in the blazing
Wisconsin sun to capture this one figuring to sell it or the other 12"
sander.  It has the OEM stand and motor so I'm leaning towards it over
the Baldor's sander.

So there you have it.  Not really a whole lot of stuff really
especially if you not pay attention to the duplicates.  It's not like
I have more than one Unisaw "and" a Powermatic 66 like Joe Johns.
Some will come up for sale to pay for parts for some of the sadder
cases.  I'll clean up the rest and some time this century I'll have a
fairly nice shop.

Now go away and leave me alone!

Keith Bohn
Deltaholic

This is being sent again but this time using the oldwwmachinery
address.  Ole dopey me forgot to change the stinking address in my address
book.

---

This is a two part request:

First request - I would like to sell the Unisaw that I recently
restored.  It was up on Ebay, but as I said in my Bio, it RX'd no bids and
I thought that with all the contacts each of us has on this list, that it
might have a better chance of selling.  I uploaded a pic of it - take a
look and send the word out.

Second request - see that switch cover plate?  I need one.  Anyone know
where I can snag it?

Go on back to your homes, there's nothing more to see here.



Joe,
The Twisted Knot Woodshop - "There's never been a classier joint."

Email:  mailto:woodwork@...
URL:  http://ronan.bigsky.net/woodwork
Known on IRC as "Woodchips"

--- In oldwwmachines@egroups.com, Joe Johns <woodwork@b...> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Second request - see that switch cover plate?  I need one.  Anyone
know
> where I can snag it?
>

Joe, I have a Unisaw just like yours that I plan to restore and I
also need a switchplate cover.  If you or anyone else locates an
extra one, please let me know as well.

Randy

At 10:05 AM 6/30/00 +0000, Keith wrote:

>Jeff T. wrote:

<snip>

> >By the way I think we should set up some folders on the e-site -
> >one for member's tools inventory/description and a one second
> >for member bio's.
>
>Excellent suggestion!  Can we do this?  As you can see I only set the
>thing up, not looked at the site much.  Wait here, I'll go and look.

Yes, we can do this but I think that folks who post their bios/tool lists
should do them in HTML so that they can be viewed directly at the folder
site instead of having one's computer launch a separate program just to be
able to view it.  If you feel that you cannot provide your bio/tool list(s)
in HTML, have no fear.  I'll take your .txt file and convert it and send it
back to you so that you can upload it yourself - giving the impression to
potential viewers that each of us knows what we're about :)

Let me know and I'll take care of it.

Joe,
The Twisted Knot Woodshop - "There's never been a classier joint."

Email:  mailto:woodwork@...
URL:  http://ronan.bigsky.net/woodwork
Known on IRC as "Woodchips"

Dave Fleming wrote
> Got a question. How much did/do the current machinery makers
save by
> reducing the amount of CI in their machines? I am ***no***
machinist
> but having spent some little time around big iron and machine
shops
> in  general I see that the current trend is to fabricate the
bases out of
> sheet steel and fill the bases with some 'goop' to get the same
> effect  that a mass of CI would provide. Is that 'goop' that
much cheaper
> than  CI or is this some bean counters way of getting a ill
deserved bonus?
> Worked in a shipwrights mill which had a old 'el guapo' in 3
phase
> dress and it was not bolted to the plank floor. Yard bought a
new
> Delta floor shaper with the new base type of sheet metal to the
floor.
> That thing with 5 HP 3 phase motor bounced all over the place.

I work at Ingersoll Rand and we are currently paying around $0.70
per pound for class 40 grey iron for simple castings. The real
increase in cost comes in the machining process. It is not so
much the time that it takes to machine the iron, but in the
capital investment to purchase machine tools and the fixtures for
machining (ie overhead). True, the CNC controlled shears and
brakes used to cut and form the sheet metal are not  cheap but
not even in the same ballpark as a machine tools. Instead of
drilling and tapping cast iron, a punched hole is all that is
required on the sheet metal. If the sheet metal has unusual
shapes, then I would think the cost of the dies may make the
sheet metal approach prohibitive.

The real difficulty with cast iron is finding quality pattern
shops and foundries. The casting process is not cook book, and as
all of the old experts retire, their knowledge and experience
goes with them leaving behind some Hahvahd MBA to close down the
foundry.  Much of the foundry work is now done outside the U.S.

It *is* possible to reduce weight and improve the structural
resonance simultaneously using structural analysis software tools
in combination with CAD. However, most woodworking companies do
not perform this sort of analysis when cost reducing an existing
product. More often, they simply replace the cast iron with the
sheet metal and hope no one notices.

Short of doing the expensive engineering evaluation, there is
only one thing better than cast iron....and that is MORE cast
iron.

Jeff S.

Jeff S. wrote:
>I saw this WT bench drill press on e-bay.
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=368745321
>My Duro is virtually identical except that it does not have that UGLY
>homemade belt cover.  Given that one of the pictures shows an
>added brass tag, the drill press was probably in a factory at one
>point, hence the OSHA guard.

I spied this a couple of days ago and thought it bore subtle but
identical design similarities to my 14" Delta (the drill press that
beat the Nazis) No. 999.  Kinda interesting considering that in the
end Delta bought out both W-T and Duro.

>Another difference on the Duro is that the spindle pulley cover is removable.

Oh sure throw that in our faces.  I was in a used machinery place a
couple of weeks back and found the pulley guard for my machine.
The guy wouldn't sell in case he had a machine that came in and needed
it.  Some of us are lucky while the others are good looking.

Keith Bohn

Jeff S. wrote:
>there is only one thing better than cast iron....
>and that is MORE cast iron.

I wonder how that would look in my sig file?

Keith Bohn
There is only one thing better than cast iron....
and that is MORE cast iron!

I like it!

Keith wrote,

> Delta No. 999 14" Bench Top Drill Press
> Late 30's/Early 40's vintage - Condition:  Excellent
> Bought this for $100 back in the late 80's from a machine
dealer in
> St. Louis.

Do you happen to remember the dealer in St. Louis? I am from St.
Louis and occaisionally get up that way but was not aware of a
used machinery dealer.

> Atlas Power King 12" Bandsaw
> 50's vintage - Condition:  Very Good
> This is the tool that set off the great tool hunt of 1998/1999
and
> gave me my bad reputation as a fool for a tool.

Tell us more about the great tool hunt of 1998/1999 and why did
it end?


> Delta No.1450 10" Tilting Arbor Unisaw
> 1939 vintage - Condition:  Good
> I think I can rest my bad reputation on this saw.  This is the
> infamous "El Guapo" much written about over on rec.woodworking.
> Bought this from the Beast in February 1999.  What can I say
but it's
> one of the oldest Unisaw I know of.

OK. I missed this on rec.woodworking as I could not keep up with
the hundreds of messages per day. Could you save me the effort of
searching the wreck archives and tell me the whole story on this
and what does "El Guapo" mean? I think that a beismeyer (delta
grey) would not take away from  the saw but the sliding
table.....well... Why don't you post a picture of this gem? (I
can see that I am going to have to buy a scanner for this
newsgroup)

> Ever since I'd seen my first Parks ad in an old Fine
Woodworking I'd
> always wanted one.  This is a permanent fixture in my tool
stable.

Amen. The Parks was one of a kind.  I understand that there is an
outfit that bought out all of the Parks parts (say that 10
times). Anyone happen to know the name and number for this
company? I seem to remember an add in FWW several years ago.


> Delta No.37-220 6" Jointer
> What really
> drew me to it was the art deco cast iron base which was
complete short
> of two original thumb nuts that hold on the back panel

This is exactly the type of craftsmanship and design that makes
these old tools so appealing. They had a similar base for the 14"
bandswaw if I am not mistaken.


> DeWalt Model MB 9" Radial Arm Saw
> 1955 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
> Bought this on day three of a three day rummage sale for $60.
This
> saw looks like a scaled down version of the 16"/18"/20" DeWalt
saws
> you see at the lumber yard.  Smooth lines, all cast iron and
heavy as
> hell.  The speckle green paint is in pretty good condition with
the
> exception of a few places around the base.  I'd considered a
ground up
> restoration until I ran into a brick wall reproducing the
speckle
> effect of the paint.  I suspect I'll clean it real good and put
it
> back into service until today's technology catches up with the
50's or
> I figure out how to achieve the original paint job.

This is splatter paint and is still available today.  In fact, it
is water based. The reason it used to be popular is that it would
hide casting imperfections and it was extremely well wearing. Now
matching the color is a different matter. But hey, I think a nice
grey splatter paint would be much more appealing than that DeWalt
green. AND it would more closely match all of that vintage Delta
machinery . And afterall, you are going to look (and fondle) the
beast more than you will use it!

(This reminds me. In the future I would like to see an indepth
thread on paint - colors , type of paint, etc. I am far from an
expert and but I am sure some of you have some good pointers.)

>
> Delta No.31-426 12" Disk Sander
> This was another, "bought on day three of a three day rummage
sale".
> I walked in and the tag read $100.  The guy behind me about
choked
> being three seconds too late.  It has a brand new 1 1/2 horse
Baldor
> motor which I believe is worth $150 by itself.  Nice smooth
machine
> that takes forever to coast to a stop.

Where do you live that there are all of these "rummage sales"
replete with vintage iron?


> Oliver 159M Pattern Maker's Lathe
> 1965 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
> I yelled,
> "$10!".  I was countered and I re-countered and the gavel went
down.
> I left $30 poorer and the full effect didn't dawn on me for a
few
> days.

Incredible! Are you sure this was not a dream? I have had such
dreams you know.


Jeff S.

Things were going so well I threw caution to the wind and posted an
invite on the wreck so don't be surprised if a few warm bodies come
stumbling in.  For now we are set up as an automagic subscription but
that will change if circumstances warrant.

So let's tidy things up, get some of the folding chairs from the
kitchen and get out the kerosene air freshener.  We might be having
company.

By the way, Joe's out of town till tomorrow.  Someone want to get a
stick and push the heap over by his chair out the back door?

Keith Bohn
Deltaholic

I wrote,
> Amen. The Parks was one of a kind.  I understand that there is
an
> outfit that bought out all of the Parks parts (say that 10
> times). Anyone happen to know the name and number for this
> company? I seem to remember an add in FWW several years ago.
>
>

I found it.
Parks Repair Parts, Inc
201 Johnson St. P.O. Box 586
Covington, KY 41001
(859) 581 7511

They can also provide a copy of the original parts diagram/list
and operating instructions.

Jeff S.

Jeff S. wrote:
>I found it.
>Parks Repair Parts, Inc
>201 Johnson St. P.O. Box 586
>Covington, KY 41001
>(859) 581 7511

>They can also provide a copy of the original parts diagram/list
>and operating instructions.

They also have a Web page but no mention of Parks planers.

http://www.dcmorrison.com/

I'm pretty certain the 12" and 20" planers are all the support.

Keith Bohn

Jeff S. wrote:
>Do you happen to remember the dealer in St. Louis?

I don't.  I do remember they were down on Broadway.  You might want to
see if W.W. Thayer is still in business.  Thayer might be in Pacific.

>Tell us more about the great tool hunt of 1998/1999 and why did
>it end?

It was tool gathering every waking minute that I wasn't eating,
sleeping and working.  I was thinking about tool gathering during
those times.  Why me stop?  St. Soozan told me to and we doubled our
house payment.  At least I got a shop out of it.  Besides, obsessions
aren't a good thing.

>OK. I missed this on rec.woodworking as I could not keep up with
>the hundreds of messages per day. Could you save me the effort of
>searching the wreck archives and tell me the whole story on this
>and what does "El Guapo" mean?

I'll see if I can dig it up and send you a copy.

>I think that a beismeyer (delta grey) would not take away
>from  the saw but the sliding table.....well... Why don't you
>post a picture of this gem?

For some reason when I go to upload my picture file shows up as empty.
best I can offer is the inside cover of the Delta Industrial Tool
catalog.

http://www.deltawoodworking.com/Pdfs/int98bm.pdf

>(I can see that I am going to have to buy a scanner for this
>newsgroup)

And diggie pix.

>Amen. The Parks was one of a kind.  I understand that there is an
>outfit that bought out all of the Parks parts (say that 10
>times). Anyone happen to know the name and number for this
>company? I seem to remember an add in FWW several years ago.

Also find a copy of the Fine Woodworking #107, Aug. 1994 and look up
an article by Robert M. Vaughn on planer tuning.  He uses the Parks as
the example.  What he goes into is worthwhile to anyone not using a
Porty Planer painted Yellow or Black & Blue.  By the way, Dave "One M"
Fleming posted all the particulars for bed rollers, feed rollers and
chip breakers a while back on the wreck.  Maybe he could rise to the
occasion for our group?  If not I'll dig up my copy.

Speaking of Robert M. Vaughn, he'd make one helluva contributor here
as would Wm. Kerfoot.  I'll ping William and do some noodleing 'round
on Vaughn.

>This is exactly the type of craftsmanship and design that makes
>these old tools so appealing. They had a similar base for the 14"
>bandswaw if I am not mistaken.

The 6" jointer, 10" tilt table saw, 14" bandsaw and 6" X 48" sander
used the same base.  The 8" jointer used a variation of it.

>This is splatter paint and is still available today.  In fact, it
>is water based.

I have looked at Zolotone briefly and was in contact with another
commercial supplier.  The problem with both were the stock lines
didn't have an identical match.  Some that were near but not near
enough.  The truth be known I haven't had the time to exert much more
effort to the project and after giving the saw a look see the other
day I didn't see a reason to go gonzo with it, especially when I've a
"couple" of other machines more important.

>But hey, I think a nice grey splatter paint would be much more
>appealing than that DeWalt green.

Remember the Laguna on the Unisaw?

>(This reminds me. In the future I would like to see an indepth
>thread on paint - colors , type of paint, etc. I am far from an
>expert and but I am sure some of you have some good pointers.)

I agree.  I wish I had time to post all the questions I've had over
the last day and a half.

>Where do you live that there are all of these "rummage sales"
>replete with vintage iron?

Up nort' in Mahwaukee, Wisconsin.  I dunno if there are a lot of tool
rummages or I've been fortunate to find the good ones.  It's also a
lot of work tracking down $30 lathes but in the long run I'm still
ahead or so I've told myself.

>Incredible! Are you sure this was not a dream? I have had such
>dreams you know.

Remember the obsession.  Can be a nightmare if you let it.

Keith Bohn

Not real sure if I will keep it, but I got another piece of neat old
iron this morning.  I'll have to clear out some space before I can
bring it home.  Go to my Yahoo photo album and check it out.  Look
under the album "Lancaster Drawer Clamp":

http://photos.yahoo.com/unctarheel1981

(I already had these photos set up on Yahoo, so I didn't upload them
here to leave space for other group members)

Made by J.M. Lancaster, High Point, NC.  The cast iron frame is about
66' long by 22" wide.  I figure that even if I can't get that
pneumatic doohicky to work, it will make one hell of a workbench
base.  The cross-brace on each leg will even allow me to put a lower
shelf or cabinets underneath.

I know very little about pneumatics, so tinkering with this will be a
fun educational experience.  I would like to get it working, but it
will be worth having even if I can't. Anybody familiar with one of
these things?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Schmidt [mailto:jjbhs@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 2:43 PM
To: oldwwmachines@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [oldwwmachines] Machinery Bio - Keith Bohn

I wrote,
> Amen. The Parks was one of a kind.  I understand that there is
an
> outfit that bought out all of the Parks parts (say that 10
> times). Anyone happen to know the name and number for this
> company? I seem to remember an add in FWW several years ago.
>
>

I found it.
Parks Repair Parts, Inc
201 Johnson St. P.O. Box 586
Covington, KY 41001
(859) 581 7511

They can also provide a copy of the original parts diagram/list
and operating instructions.

Jeff S.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Taylor [mailto:rtaylor@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:54 PM
To: oldwwmachines@egroups.com
Subject: [oldwwmachines] Iron addict makes another buy...

Not real sure if I will keep it, but I got another piece of neat old
iron this morning.  I'll have to clear out some space before I can
bring it home.  Go to my Yahoo photo album and check it out.  Look
under the album "Lancaster Drawer Clamp":

http://photos.yahoo.com/unctarheel1981

(I already had these photos set up on Yahoo, so I didn't upload them
here to leave space for other group members)

Made by J.M. Lancaster, High Point, NC.  The cast iron frame is about
66' long by 22" wide.  I figure that even if I can't get that
pneumatic doohicky to work, it will make one hell of a workbench
base.  The cross-brace on each leg will even allow me to put a lower
shelf or cabinets underneath. 

I know very little about pneumatics, so tinkering with this will be a
fun educational experience.  I would like to get it working, but it
will be worth having even if I can't. Anybody familiar with one of
these things?

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Keith wrote,
>   Besides, obsessions aren't a good thing.

This is true.

> Also find a copy of the Fine Woodworking #107, Aug. 1994 and
look up
> an article by Robert M. Vaughn on planer tuning.  He uses the
Parks as
> the example.  What he goes into is worthwhile to anyone not
using a
> Porty Planer painted Yellow or Black & Blue.  By the way, Dave
"One M"
> Fleming posted all the particulars for bed rollers, feed
rollers and
> chip breakers a while back on the wreck.  Maybe he could rise
to the
> occasion for our group?  If not I'll dig up my copy.

Yes, I have it earmarked. They also used to offer a video of him
tuning the same Parks planer but I think that the article is very
thorough.

> Speaking of Robert M. Vaughn, he'd make one helluva contributor
here
> as would Wm. Kerfoot.  I'll ping William and do some noodleing
'round
> on Vaughn.

Vaughn would be great on this list. I also enjoyed that article
by Vaughn in Fine Woodworking wherein he restored the W-T
bandsaw. The base he made looked like it belonged to the bandsaw
when it was painted.
FWW should have more articles on restoring machinery.

Jeff S.

--- In oldwwmachines@egroups.com, <jgtr@h...> wrote:
> Tell us about drawer clamps. How do they function?
>
> Jeff T.

Jeff, I am not completely sure, and I won't know until I start
tinkering with it.  If I can get it working as it is designed, and it
is useful to me, I will keep it as is.  If not, then I will either
sell the whole thing, or just use the base as a workbench support and
sell the rest of the parts.  I will clue you in when I can get it
home and figure it out.

Randy

--- In oldwwmachines@egroups.com, keeter@w... wrote:
>
<snip>
> Oliver 159M Pattern Maker's Lathe
> 1965 vintage - Condition:  Very Good
> Again, minding my own business.  This lathe was at the tail end of
the
> auction and on the bill just ahead of a Rockwell Standard Duty
lathe.
> It's back was towards the crowd and you had to climb over a few
things
> to see the Oliver eagle on the front of the bed, which I had done
> earlier.  With no intentions of buying it I stood there listening to
> the auctioneer call out $300 and not getting any takers.  He called
> out $200 and still nothing.  I think it's about here that I felt
like
> screaming "WTF!" but I stood there biting my tongue.  He called out
> $100 and still no takers.  At this point I'd had enough.  I'd always
> wanted an Oliver lathe and decided I'd get this one so I yelled,
> "$10!".  I was countered and I re-countered and the gavel went down.
> I left $30 poorer and the full effect didn't dawn on me for a few
> days.
<snip>

Keith, I think this is the best auction story I've heard.  I can't
believe how fortunate you were on this one.  I can only hope that in
my lifelong search I can one day approach this kind of gloatable
score!

Randy

part about shameless auction gloat snipped..

Randy wrote:
>Keith, I think this is the best auction story I've heard.  I can't
>believe how fortunate you were on this one.  I can only hope that in
>my lifelong search I can one day approach this kind of gloatable
>score!

I think we all have/will have a great auction story to tell in our
lifetime.  I sometimes wonder if I'll be real old and gray with
grand kids on my knees telling them, "about the time I got me
an Oliver for $30".

Poor grand kids, huh?  :-)

Keith Bohn

Yo Master Machinery Men,

The reason I ask this question is, I've spoken with people and learned
they've restored umpteen (a number my Mom always used) hundred
machines (cars/houses/whatever) in what has to be a rather short
period, in this case their lifetimes.  I found when I did my jointer
it took forever.  I stripped the machine down to it's individual parts
and pieces, removed all rust, primed and painted parts and shiny'd up
the parts that needed to be shiny.  On the other hand, when I did my
drill press I spent the better part of a morning wiping it down,
buffing the column and table then reassembling it.

Now I'm about to embark on the most ambitious restoration to date, my
Unisaw.  Do I tear out the entire guts of the thing and make it 1939
new in box or do I tear out what needs to be torn out, paint the
cabinet, shiny up the hand cranks, throw the entire mess back together
and stand back and be proud?  I realize the broke stuff will be
replaced and repaired.  I'm not talking about these obvious things.  I
also realize there's the "as long as we're this far, might as well go
the whole nine yards", school of thinking and it's rival is the "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it", school of thought.

I guess I'm looking for a magic potion that puts another 12 hours in a
weekend to help me out here.  Lacking that, some advice or thoughts on
the matter?

Keith Bohn

P.S.  As for my restoring all my tools and giving them to list
members, faggidaboutit!!!

We get two magazines at work that list used woodworking machinery.
While both magazines are national and "most" of us won't be traveling
from the east coast to the west coast in search of big iron we do need
to know what's happening locally and they help in determining fair
price for some machines.

The first is a tabloid style paper called the Classified Exchange for
the Woodworking Industry.  I've not found a Web site for this
magazine.

Classified Exchange for the Woodworking Industry
P.O. Box 34908
Memphis, TN 38184-0908

Ph.:  901-372-8166
Fax:  901-373-6180
Fax:  901-387-0599

The second magazine, WoodQuip, is a bit more glamorous and printed on
shiny magazine stock.  You can find them on the Web at:

http://www.woodquip.com/index.php

There is a search function at the site but I've yet to get it to work
worth a damn but it could be me.

We get both magazines for free, being a commercial woodworking shop,
but I've contacted magazines in the past and received free trial
issues.  This should work fine for people wanting to do a
one/two/three state "look-around" to see what's available to them
locally.  You can also contact the magazines and feign legitimacy by
calling yourself "Skippy's Cabinet Shop" or some such thing.

Lastly, there is the WoodWeb site where you can slide down the page
and select the tool of choice.  It kicks you to a page that if you are
lucky will list a number of different tools to select from and links
to the seller's Web page.

http://www.woodweb.com/~industry/machineryfinder/index.html

Keith Bohn

Jeff S. wrote:
>Vaughn would be great on this list. I also enjoyed that article
>by Vaughn in Fine Woodworking wherein he restored the W-T
>bandsaw. The base he made looked like it belonged to the bandsaw
>when it was painted.

Fine Woodworking #98 - Feb. 1993.  Thanks for the heads up.  I just
leafed through it.  I'll be running a copy of it for quick access.

It just dawned on me that I have a problem.  No comments from the
peanut gallery!  Anyway, there once was a time I'd spend the better
part of my week day nights thumbing through old woodworking magazines.
I'd find there were articles I'd "rediscover" because at the time I
first read that particular issue I had no need or interest for what
they were writing about.  I haven't done this in quite some time and
I'm not sure if it's the time spent on the Web or I have too many
magazines.

>FWW should have more articles on restoring machinery.

WOOD magazine ran an article a few months back where the gist of the
article was, "kids, don't try this at home".  I was torn between
writing them and telling them how wrong they were and sitting back and
enjoying the fact that they may have crimped someone's desire to
compete with me out in the world looking for old rusted machines.

I gotta go and re-read the bandsaw restoration article now.

Keith Bohn