Valdis

I'm enjoying your effort to increase our knowledge of the roots of ONA.  Knowing
that your early work with ONA was at IBM, I'm wondering if the term emerged from
there? Or perhaps from IKM?

Jenny


>
>Message: 1
>   Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:48:09 -0000
>   From: "Valdis Krebs" <valdis@...>
>Subject: First Jump
>
>Patti,
>
>You did a great job last week on the JumpStart!
>
>Intro,
>
>Here is my bio and background in SNA/ONA...
>http://www.orgnet.com/VKbio.html
>
>Quiz,
>
>Who was the first consultant to use the phrase "ONA"?
>Bonus points for...  why was that term used?
>Post answers to this group.
>
>Glad to be a member of this group!
>
>Valdis

Nope, but Karen knew the person!

Valdis


On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Alistair Gibbons wrote:

>  
> Hi there, was it Karen Stephenson ?
>
>  
> On 23/03/06, Valdis Krebs <valdis@...> wrote: Nope.  He picked
> up the term.
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>> Valdis
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>> > Hi Valdis, was this Rob Cross from Univeristy of Virginia?
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----- Original Message -----

From: Heather-Lyn

To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:10 PM

Subject: [ona-prac] can't dial in

Anyone else having trouble dialing in?

Yes, I signed up, but each of the three lines are busy, unfortunately.

--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Heather-Lyn" <Heather-Lyn.Haley@...>
wrote:
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> Anyone else having trouble dialing in?
>

Anyone else having trouble dialing in?

Nope.  He picked up the term.

Valdis


On Mar 22, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Diana Jones wrote:

>
>  Hi Valdis, was this Rob Cross from Univeristy of Virginia?
>  
> Diana Jones
>  
>  >>Quiz (from Valdis)
>
> >>Who was the first consultant to use the phrase "ONA"?
> >>Bonus points for...  why was that term used?
> >>Post answers to this group.
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Nope, was not me!

Next?

[Hint]  this happened in the mid 90s when "social networks" was not a
buzz item...

Valdis


On Mar 22, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Patti Anklam wrote:

> >>Quiz (from Valdis)
>
> >>Who was the first consultant to use the phrase "ONA"?
> >>Bonus points for...  why was that term used?
> >>Post answers to this group.
> Valdis,
>  
> it had to be you!
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• A conversation about ROI brought in the topic of SNA and benchmarks
• Related replies enriched the discussion by example of correlating SNA metrics with job satisfaction surveys
• Steve Denning introduced the topic of sensitivity to the "energy question"

Hello, I'm an organisation development practitioner in New Zealand,
based in Wellington and have been exploring and mapping informal
networks in groups and organisations for years. Last year, to my
amazement, I came across sna and now ona and have been reading madly.
Classically trained as a sociometrist and groupworker, I'm stuggling
with the mathematical language and concepts being applied to
individual and group development. This group feels like a breath of
fresh air as I do want to be able to talk with sna and ona practitioners.

The concepts and practice of what I do is largely informed by the work
JL Moreno (1889 - 1979); and more recently Dr G Max Clayton of
Melbourne, Australia and Ann E Hale from Virginia, USA.

My current work is in 'the here and now', developing existing networks
in groups and organisations to build relationships and share knowledge
and experience, particularly in leadership teams and with executives.
I map trust networks with relevant groups, e.g. "Who in the group do
you trust to problem solve with you in a way which maintains
consistency across the divison".

I am keen to work with the mathematical concepts where they are
relevant to gorup development. And Hi Mike, I am going to INSNA
Sunbelt conf too, so let's meet.  regards, Diana

Hi,

My name is Diane Mercier. I "read" the first ONA Jump Start
teleconference and I will be there at the tree other. Many thanks for
the team for this opportunity.

I am a practitioner-researcher in public administration and completing
a Ph. D. dissertation on how municipal managers transfer tacit
knowledge in coordination situations (Knowledge transfer, Theory of
coordination, lost of knowledge, CoP of managers). I am french speaking.

I use network approach since my master degree (stakeholders
analysis). For my doctoral research I combine SNA and Mind
Mapping for collecting, analysing and interpreting data ...
two powerfull heuristic methods.

I was introduced to the Jump Start and this yahoo group by
the way of KnowledgeNetwork Yahoo group. I am also INSNA
member.

My assumption is to contaminate municipal organisation to
use ONA for his emancipation.

Blog : http://consultus.qc.ca/carnets
Web Site : http://consultus.qc.ca/diane.com


Regards,
(Apologize my english)

------
Diane Mercier

*46.082150 ; -74.44952 ; 393 m*
(dans la région de Mont-Tremblay à 100 km au nord de
Montréal, Québec)

Pionnière du Web montréalais. «Quand dire, c'est faire»
(Austin, 1970).

Rejoindre le réseau de contacts de Diane Mercier sur Viaduc
http://www.viaduc.com/invitationpersonnelle/0021qg23ikaifefm

--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Prescott" <mike_prescott22@...> wrote:

>                                                     Setting up questions
> in ways that people will answer honestly (if at all) without
> compromising the results is a huge challenge.

Good questions Mike!  I have found that if you ask evaluative or overly personal
questions
you will likely get "spin" or "the right answer".  I try to focus on behavior
and not
evaluation.  Asking questions like "Who do you trust?" has most people running
for the
hills.  Asking questions like "With whom do you test out new ideas or
out-of-the-box
thinking?" also gets at Trust without freaking people out.

It is also good to have some two-way questions in the survey... with whom do you
work to
get your job done?   Do both parties mention each other?  You can then just show
the links
that are reciprocated -- X mentioned Y  AND Y mentioned X.  This eliminates the
CYA
survey taker who mentions everyone, but only a few people confirm those ties.

Valdis

--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Haley, Heather-Lyn" <Heather-Lyn.Haley@...>
wrote:

>                                                                               
My problem as
> I currently define it is a fear of math - matrix algebra, to be exact -
> that has me wondering if it's possible to do any SNA without heading
> back to classes. Looking forward to the jump-start...

Not all SNA/ONA software requires knowledge of matrix algebra.

<shameless self-promotion>

Our InFlow tool maps the network in one window, while measuring what is mapped
in a
second window... all integrated in one simple program, no math degree required!
http://www.orgnet.com/inflow3.html

Data is entered as simiple link lists...
John,Mary,3,Work => John talks to Mary about work with a frequency of
3[monthly].

</shameless self-promotion>

Valdis

Patti,

You did a great job last week on the JumpStart!

Intro,

Here is my bio and background in SNA/ONA...
http://www.orgnet.com/VKbio.html

Quiz,

Who was the first consultant to use the phrase "ONA"?
Bonus points for...  why was that term used?
Post answers to this group.

Glad to be a member of this group!

Valdis

Giancarlo:
Welcome to ona-prac and thank you for joining us.

Regarding the first session, I think that it was recorded, so let me
see if I can post the information about how to listen to it.

The second session will be on March 23rd and you should have
received an invitation to sign up for it.  If not, please go to

http://visitor.constantcontact.com/optin.jsp?m=1100440385462&ea=

and sign up.

Regarding your question on benchmarks and a database of adjacency
matrices, I think that sounds like a great topic to start a
discussion thread on.  Would you be willing to post a message to
start a discussion on the topic and explain how it might be managed
and the value it could deliver to other members?

We look forward to your participation.

/Nat
co-moderator

" <giancarlo.oriani@...> wrote:
>
Hello everybody,
I am a new member of the ONA CoP.
My name is Giancarlo Oriani, I work in Italy as a consultant, and I
am an ONA-practitioner. I'm also building a small web site on the
subject (www.informalorg.it).
Unfortunately I missed the first conference call of the Jumpstart
Series. I see on slide 47 that you talk about benchmark. In my
experience this is a very important point. After caring about
disclosure contract, what relationships to measure, what question to
ask, etc. etc., I know that density is .x and indegree
centralization index is .y, but I do not know what exactly it means.
I think that we can give these numbers some meanings only through
benchmark (probably only diameter <= 2 can have a theoretical
explanation). I'm thinking about a database of adjacency matrices.
And I think that a community of practice is a natural place for such
a database. What do you think about it?
> Giancarlo Oriani

Hello everybody,
I am a new member of the ONA CoP.
My name is Giancarlo Oriani, I work in Italy as a consultant, and I am
an ONA-practitioner. I'm also building a small web site on the subject
(www.informalorg.it).
Unfortunately I missed the first conference call of the Jumpstart
Series. I see on slide 47 that you talk about benchmark. In my
experience this is a very important point. After caring about
disclosure contract, what relationships to measure, what question to
ask, etc. etc., I know that density is .x and indegree centralization
index is .y, but I do not know what exactly it means. I think that we
can give these numbers some meanings only through benchmark (probably
only diameter <= 2 can have a theoretical explanation). I'm thinking
about a database of adjacency matrices. And I think that a community
of practice is a natural place for such a database.
What do you think about it?
Giancarlo Oriani

I'm a management consultant who just sat in on the SNA workshop being
sponsored by Seth Earley & Associates.

As a sociologist by education, a business manager by experience, I'm
happy to find this methodology in play. I've used a survey to create
2D matrix analysis of lesser sophistication:
http://www.1Ricci.com/bookwork.htm

The work of practitioners is of interest in case I have an opportunity
to recommend such services to clients. I look forward to eavesdropping
on the ONA and SNA work being done.

Laura Ricci

Hi,

My name is Mike Prescott. I'm a knowledge management consultant that
has been interested in incorporating social network analysis into
helping organizations collaborate more effectively (especially in
distributed environments). I have struggled with the practical aspects
of conducting SNA/ONA probably due to the context in which the
research was being done (distrustful environment, large external
networks).

I was introduced to the Jump Start series and this group through Bruce
Hoppe. I am also a member of INSNA and will be attending the Sunbelt
Conference in my own backyard of Vancouver at the end of April. If
anyone will be attending, feel free to say hello.

Here I am with an intro and a request.

First the request - Please delete previous posts from the bottom of new
messages (esp if lengthy and/or unrelated) to reduce the amount of
repetition and scrolling required to get through this material.

Now, about me - I'm a sociologist working in medical education research.
I've got a bunch of experience with collecting and thinking about
egocentric networks - for my dissertation I collected info on up to 10
alters from 150 sets of husbands and wives interviewed separately at
five different points in time across the transition to parenthood. It
was fascinating to see changes in density and in overlap between his and
hers, especially in the context of extended family involvement in child
care.  Now I'm in a very different setting and would like to switch over
to looking at complete networks in an effort to improve departmental
productivity and communication in general - we've got 150+ faculty at 5
clinic sites, a couple of research branches, involvement in
institutional committees and national organizations, etc. My problem as
I currently define it is a fear of math - matrix algebra, to be exact -
that has me wondering if it's possible to do any SNA without heading
back to classes. Looking forward to the jump-start...

****************************
Heather-Lyn Haley, PhD
Director of Evaluation and Research,
Clinical Faculty Development Center
Instructor, Family Medicine and Community Health
Instructor, Medicine
University of Massachusetts Medical School
Benedict Bldg.  Suite A3-219
55 Lake Ave North,  Worcester, MA 01655
508-856-1366  *  508-856-2175 fax
Heather-Lyn.Haley@...

"Love is like infinity: You can't have more or less infinity, and you
can't compare two things to see if they're 'equally infinite.' Infinity
just is, and that's the way I think love is, too."  -Fred Rogers

Hi, Mike,

Thanks for joining the group and especially for jumping right in with a
practice question. This is one of the hardest questions, and we'll
welcome the collective wisdom out there to help answer it.

Getting the questions "right" is certainly one of the hardest tasks. You
have to start with questions that lead you to insights about the
business goal you are pursuing, and you have to put those questions into
a language that is understood contextually by the participants.  A key
part of this is getting the questions tested in advance by sending them
to some people who are in the target survey. That will make sure you
aren't using any words that people find overly ambiguous or even
annoying. Of course, getting the context right before the survey is
paramount: having the senior managers send out messages about why it's
important to answer honestly and how the results will be received.

As for sampling, I haven't myself done this, but know that a proxy
method can often produce the insights you are looking for. For the proxy
method, you identify the target groups or clusters you want to survey
and identify 3 or 4 people in each target group whom you can ask to
complete the survey. This would produce, I assume, broader results than
a full ONA, but might just do the trick.

Anyone out there who has done a proxy SNA want to share lessons?

/patti



--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Prescott" <mike_prescott22@...>
wrote:
>
> I've attempted a couple of social network analysis projects and always
> find the surveying part to be the hardest by far. Setting up questions
> in ways that people will answer honestly (if at all) without
> compromising the results is a huge challenge. Choosing between a total
> network versus ego network approach also is daunting. Ideally I'd love
> to do a sampling of the network but that sort of flies in the face of
> the ultimate goal. How do you balance all these factors and still
> produce network maps that are meaningful and specific enough to act
> upon?
>

The interest in Social Network Analysis, and its organizational
effectiveness counterpart, Organizational Network Analysis (ONA) has
deepened and broadened over the past three years. We are pleased to
open this forum to those who are interested in learning a diagnostic
toolkit and a network approach to organizational design and
management, with the aim of developing and sharing expertise and
experience.

To begin the sharing, we're

1)uploading links to some of the most popular articles about SNA in
the business press. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/ona-prac/links

2)posting reprints of articles and papers on SNA that you can share
within your organizations or groups

Please reply to this posting with an introduction -- we'd like to know
what brought you here, what you'd like to find here, and to encourage
you to contribute as well as to learn.

Patti Anklam patti@...
Seth Early seth@...
Bruce Hoppe bruce@...
Nat Welch nat@...

I've attempted a couple of social network analysis projects and always
find the surveying part to be the hardest by far. Setting up questions
in ways that people will answer honestly (if at all) without
compromising the results is a huge challenge. Choosing between a total
network versus ego network approach also is daunting. Ideally I'd love
to do a sampling of the network but that sort of flies in the face of
the ultimate goal. How do you balance all these factors and still
produce network maps that are meaningful and specific enough to act
upon?

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