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#776 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2010 1:50 am
Subject: The Social Network
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Hi – Did you catch "The Social Network this weekend?" Hmmm, let's see, Hollywood blockbuster, 26yo billionaires, 500m users…

 

Are you getting the signals? - http://networksingularity.com/2010/10/04/faint-signals.aspx

 

This is the theme of the Future of Networks leadership retreat this week on "The Social Enterprise."

 

Social media are fundamentally altering the business and civil society landscape.  

 

All are welcome. Here's your link...

 

https://www.regonline.com/DFW101

 

Advanced check-in rqr'd. Registration includes breakfast, materials, luncheon and post-event networking reception.

 

Here is a good blog from two colleagues and a sponsor ---

 

http://blogs.hbr.org/bigshift/2010/09/social-software.html

 

-j

 


#777 From: Valdis Krebs <valdis@...>
Date: Tue Oct 5, 2010 2:08 am
Subject: The next big thing in Networks?
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So, who is going to compose the first Centrality Sonata?  or Clique Concerto? or
Overlap Overture? or...

We need an Audio/Music track at the next Sunbelt!

http://bit.ly/cLHOts [YouTube] ...

Enjoy!

Valdis Krebs
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http://thenetworkthinkers.com

#778 From: "Luis" <luis_rocco@...>
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:29 am
Subject: Question about Onasurvey
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Estimates members:

 

I´m new in that group and I´d try to made a test on Onasurveys.com, but  I didn´t introduce question about each relationship when I design the survey, but in each questionnaire form (which receive each participant), appear a step to choose the others members of the list one by one, and just after that, every one can define a relationship.

 

I wish to…each respondent, have a just one relationship question, whit the entire list of participants, and just fill the box (or dot) with the peoples that have that relationship…It´s possible?

 

 Somebody can explain me why can I do that?... or somebody tell me what can I do to erase this election? (to choose one by one each participant or not, and just after that define the relationship)

 

Thanks, and sorry for my English….If somebody can write in Spanish I aprettiate so much.

 

Lic. Luis Rocco

(15) 6418-6027

 


#779 From: Sérgio Storch <sergiostorch@...>
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:23 pm
Subject: Question about Onasurvey
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Dear colleagues
I am just an apprentice and I´m far behind all of you in the formulation and application of ONA.
I´d be glad in having the role for some time of translating answers into Spanish so that Luiz can benefit.

Regards

Sérgio Storch
CONTENT DIGITAL
11-5087.8953, 11-9753.9701
Novo post "É sério: o que faz falta é conversar"
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www.twitter.com/sergiostorch



#780 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:21 pm
Subject: RE: Question about Onasurvey
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Hello, Luis,

 

There is a user forum for questions about ONAsurveys. It is: http://groups.google.com/group/onasurveys/

 

I am copying Cai on this question.

 

Best,

 

/patti anklam

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Luis
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:30 AM
To: ONA-PRAC
Subject: [ona-prac] Question about Onasurvey

 

 

Estimates members:

 

I´m new in that group and I´d try to made a test on Onasurveys.com, but  I didn´t introduce question about each relationship when I design the survey, but in each questionnaire form (which receive each participant), appear a step to choose the others members of the list one by one, and just after that, every one can define a relationship.

 

I wish to…each respondent, have a just one relationship question, whit the entire list of participants, and just fill the box (or dot) with the peoples that have that relationship…It´s possible?

 

 Somebody can explain me why can I do that?... or somebody tell me what can I do to erase this election? (to choose one by one each participant or not, and just after that define the relationship)

 

Thanks, and sorry for my English….If somebody can write in Spanish I aprettiate so much.

 

Lic. Luis Rocco

(15) 6418-6027

 


#781 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:22 pm
Subject: RE: Question about Onasurvey
pattianklam
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Thank you, Sérgio!

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sérgio Storch
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:24 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] Question about Onasurvey

 

 

Dear colleagues
I am just an apprentice and I´m far behind all of you in the formulation and application of ONA.
I´d be glad in having the role for some time of translating answers into Spanish so that Luiz can benefit.

Regards

Sérgio Storch
CONTENT DIGITAL
11-5087.8953, 11-9753.9701
Novo post "É sério: o que faz falta é conversar"
www.contentdigital.com.br
www.twitter.com/sergiostorch


#782 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:43 pm
Subject: Nice case study from NC State
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My Google alerts just caught this nice ONA case study. I especially like the nice, clean matrix of results based on central/peripheral and feelings of safety.

 

Anyone else found any good cases lately?

 

Best to all for the holidays and a safe and happy new year.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 


#783 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:32 pm
Subject: RE: Nice case study from NC State
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Whoops --- http://execseries.mgt.ncsu.edu/tag/organizational-network-analysis/

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patti Anklam
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:44 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] Nice case study from NC State

 

 

My Google alerts just caught this nice ONA case study. I especially like the nice, clean matrix of results based on central/peripheral and feelings of safety.

 

Anyone else found any good cases lately?

 

Best to all for the holidays and a safe and happy new year.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 


#784 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:00 pm
Subject: Social Media Research Foundation
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Hi –

 

Happy New Year to ONA-Prac!

 

From Marc Smith.

 

http://networksingularity.com/2010/12/28/social-media-research-foundation-2.aspx

 

-j

 

 

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#785 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:35 pm
Subject: Organizational Network Analysis & KM
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#786 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Wed Mar 2, 2011 9:53 pm
Subject: ONA Retreat
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I am pleased to announce the Leadership Learning Community is among the sponsors of the Organizational Network Analysis (ONA) leadership retreat with Valdis Krebs event at Presentation Park located in Oakland, California on 11 Mar 11.

 

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Preservation Park, Oakland:               http://preservationpark.com/home/

 

Leadership Learning Community:        http://leadershiplearning.org/

 

ONA Event Registration Page:              http://regonline.com/SNA2010

 

Preservation Park is a short (five minute) walk from downtown Oakland BART. The park has sixteen historic buildings resembling a late 19th Century Oakland neighborhood. Your venue is the stunning Ginn House.

 

The focus of this retreat is achieving fundamental advancements in organizations and leadership with network diagnosis, analysis and optimization. Valdis Krebs is among the top worldwide practice authority in ONA. See:

 

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http://www.orgnet.com/cases.html

 

 

 

Also attached is a flyer to share in your networks and professional orbit. Secure, on-line, advance check-in rqr’d. All are welcome.

 

ONA Event Registration Page:              http://regonline.com/SNA2010

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

-j

 

 


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#787 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Mon Mar 7, 2011 1:12 pm
Subject: SNA and Leadership Networks
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Abstract

Leadership development practitioners have become increasingly interested in
networks as a way to strengthen relationships among leaders in fields,
communities, and organizations. This paper offers a framework for
conceptualizing different types of leadership networks and uses case
examples to identify outcomes typically associated with each type of
network.

http://bit.ly/9bGtEx


The Leadership Learning Community is among the sponsors of the NorCal SNA
retreat 11 Mar 11.

http://bit.ly/ew6CRP


-j

#788 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:06 pm
Subject: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?” http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 

You may want to post your responses to the blog itself, as well as in this forum.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 


#789 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:56 pm
Subject: RE: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi Patti and LLL –

 

Thanks for the post. Few points –

 

After conducting a number of very popular ‘practical’ SNA events early in ‘00, we got angry push back from the SNA establishment. At Xerox PARC one evening I asked my friend and colleague Mark Granovetter,  “What is wrong with those SNA academics?” He said, “John, they have been discovered and they don’t like it.” (Mark and a handful of other scholars are a major exception to this rule.)

 

Gartner sees SNA coming… in “5 to 10 years.”

 

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In 2006 we set out to scale VNA and value networks massively as a quick, low-cost disruptive innovation to grow DCF. As a broad management discipline, value networks/VNA are a complete, abject failure. Like SNA, value networks/VNA inhabit a highly insular and arrogant milieu. In SNA this is called scholarship, research or the ivory tower. For VNA it is ambitiously called ‘thought leadership.’ Unfortunately, VNA (and SNA) suffer the deadly boutique consulting mindset.

 

Specious thought leadership in VNA and in general network analysis creates an enormous barrier to widespread adoption. IMO, this is deliberate and intentional. With few exceptions, practitioners are parochial and narcissistic. Simultaneously, management is utterly fed up dealing with lofty, ego-based O/S/VNA consultants.

 

Sadly, it’s the consultants that perpetuate this vicious cycle. Demented consultants feel if they unbundle to scale and syndicate massively it somehow will hurt their ego. Ironically, precisely the opposite is true…   

 

Practitioner insularity, arrogance and narcissism is a VERY hard nut to crack. There is no chance of learning from failure either. Soaring indifference to feedback and practice problems, like these well-known issues, is pervasive and, well, mostly impossible to change.

 

Engagements with dubious surveys, boring mapping sessions, dopey board games and the unbearable ennui of theory lectures, all serve to prohibit management adoption of network analysis.

 

To advance, it makes sense to engage students, new graduates and new hires in O/S/V network analysis. Remember, sports fans, the last guy to exploit the social graph became a billionaire at 25…

 

Cheers,

 

-j

 

    

BTW, if SNA ever becomes ANYTHING like 6-Stigma (sic) then our cycle of comprehensive failure is complete. If this happens we should all take up needlepoint or bonsai.  

 

 

 

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patti Anklam
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:07 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?

 

 

Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?” http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 


#790 From: Laurence Lock Lee <llocklee@...>
Date: Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi John.... as you probably appreciate, my use of six sigma is not an endorsement of the approach, but an endorsement of how successfully they have managed to engage the business community. I don't think SNA or VNA are the only approaches to suffer from consultant egos....yet many still manage to gain more traction by at least having an 'entry level' which is not beyond the average business practitioner. While I agree that educating students is a great source of change, this is a 20 year + strategy at least....as evidenced by the relative lack of success in SNA academics getting their courses into the mainstream, rather than special event 'summer extra' courses. We tend to use Rob Cross and Andrew Parkers'  'Hidden Power of Social Networks' as our 'dummies guide to SNA' and even give it out when we run our own ONA courses. But of course Rob and Andrew are both academics now so we really do need some practitioner leadership here. It is a tough call to 'open up' your 'IP'   unbundle to scale etc...but I think life is too short to worry about competing in our niche 0.01% of the market. I'd rather have access to the other 99.99%!


Laurence Lock Lee PhD
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Ph: +61 (0)407001628
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On 29/03/2011, at 1:56 AM, John Maloney wrote:

 

Hi Patti and LLL –

 

Thanks for the post. Few points –

 

After conducting a number of very popular ‘practical’ SNA events early in ‘00, we got angry push back from the SNA establishment. At Xerox PARC one evening I asked my friend and colleague Mark Granovetter,  “What is wrong with those SNA academics?” He said, “John, they have been discovered and they don’t like it.” (Mark and a handful of other scholars are a major exception to this rule.)

 

Gartner sees SNA coming… in “5 to 10 years.”

 

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In 2006 we set out to scale VNA and value networks massively as a quick, low-cost disruptive innovation to grow DCF. As a broad management discipline, value networks/VNA are a complete, abject failure. Like SNA, value networks/VNA inhabit a highly insular and arrogant milieu. In SNA this is called scholarship, research or the ivory tower. For VNA it is ambitiously called ‘thought leadership.’ Unfortunately, VNA (and SNA) suffer the deadly boutique consulting mindset.

 

Specious thought leadership in VNA and in general network analysis creates an enormous barrier to widespread adoption. IMO, this is deliberate and intentional. With few exceptions, practitioners are parochial and narcissistic. Simultaneously, management is utterly fed up dealing with lofty, ego-based O/S/VNA consultants.

 

Sadly, it’s the consultants that perpetuate this vicious cycle. Demented consultants feel if they unbundle to scale and syndicate massively it somehow will hurt their ego. Ironically, precisely the opposite is true…   

 

Practitioner insularity, arrogance and narcissism is a VERY hard nut to crack. There is no chance of learning from failure either. Soaring indifference to feedback and practice problems, like these well-known issues, is pervasive and, well, mostly impossible to change.

 

Engagements with dubious surveys, boring mapping sessions, dopey board games and the unbearable ennui of theory lectures, all serve to prohibit management adoption of network analysis.

 

To advance, it makes sense to engage students, new graduates and new hires in O/S/V network analysis. Remember, sports fans, the last guy to exploit the social graph became a billionaire at 25…

 

Cheers,

 

-j

 

    

BTW, if SNA ever becomes ANYTHING like 6-Stigma (sic) then our cycle of comprehensive failure is complete. If this happens we should all take up needlepoint or bonsai.  

 

 

 

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patti Anklam
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:07 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?

 

 

Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?” http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 




#791 From: "Morten C. Arendrup" <morten.arendrup@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:21 am
Subject: SV: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi Patti

 

Thank you for sending this.  I posted a comment on Dr. Lee´s blog:

 

Dear Dr. Lee
Let me start by briefly introducing myself and Innovisor. We are a Danish based consultancy practice working with multi-national companies in Europe. Indeed, we have engaged in several SNA projects, both in Europe and elsewhere.
In your blog post you raise some very interesting points. First of all, indeed, I think it is true that some consultants approach SNA as research projects. This, in some instances anyway, is due to the fact that their origin is within research, and consulting is a sideline only. Hence, the approach to SNA is bound to be somewhat academic.
Second, it is also true that business consultants practicing SNA are few and far between, certainly in Europe. However, I do not believe the issue of diffusion to the management consulting industry lies in the lack of standardized tools. On the contrary, plenty of customer dialogues on SNA are likely to focus on the basic principles of SNA and technical stuff, rather than the pain the unique approach will cure with the client.
So our challenge as business consultants is to provide senior management with fact based insight into the informal organisation to improve top and bottom line performance. And that we can identify the top influencers in the organisation methodically, rather than randomly. On top of this, we need to back our statements with real-time cases to demonstrate where this has been done previously, e.g.
http://www.innovisor.com/successful-post-merger-integration-in-global-pharma-2
So one could ask whether the management consulting practice should be separated from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline? I think not. Why? Because the management consulting industry need research to pioneer new grounds. Developing a new market from scratch is a deadlock for most consultancy practices. And research needs management consulting to provide the real-time cases that will take research even further, and to write scientific articles and books.
Business consultants should generally avoid making conclusions from SNA alone. Showing SNA diagrams to senior management is a very good way to faciltate a dialogue, but in order to provide real business value, consultants must have profound business acumen and always make sure that result from the analysis are validated, both diagrams and the raw data. Putting all these bits together will provide the customer with the unique business insight he needs for the company to excel.
Best regards
Morten C. Arendrup, Senior Manager, Innovisor

Best regards

Morten

 

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Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?” http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 

You may want to post your responses to the blog itself, as well as in this forum.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 





#792 From: Matt Moore <innotecture@...>
Date: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hello,

Very few clients buy "network analysis" but many organizations are becoming aware of the networked nature of their business.

I don't see SNA as a new six sigma but I do see it as the next business process mapping. N.B. Clients don't buy business processing mapping (BPM) work, they buy process improvement.

You can do time-consuming BPM with expensive modeling software or you can you it with a pen and the back of an envelope.

Consultants need to start talking about network improvement.

I also think there's a simple awareness factor. Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks - but an increasing number do.

Cheers,

Matt Moore
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Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2011, at 12:06 AM, "Patti Anklam" <patti@...> wrote:

 

Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?†http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 

You may want to post your responses to the blog itself, as well as in this forum.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 


#793 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:59 am
Subject: RE: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi Laurie –

 

Yeah, the 6-Sigma people have done a nice job of (over) institutionalizing their technique.

 

BTW, 6-Sigma is easily Number One  The Stupidest Management Fad of ALL Time – The Mother of All Stupid Management Fads Have a look:

 

http://networksingularity.com/2010/11/19/the-8-stupidesthellip-2.aspx

 

Couple more comments.

 

Ego-fueled consultants are not necessarily bad. I’ve hired and used plenty from BCG, McKinsey, Vanguard, Charles River, etc. For these highly paid people there is an expectation of a certain degree of arrogance and narcissism. It is not pejorative. Rather, it is necessary, an expectation of the interaction.

 

Sometimes, organizations need ‘insultants.’ Often, we just want/need incisive opinion. That’s why we pay a lot. The last thing we want is mealy-mouthed milquetoasts. Everybody’s happy since the ego-consultant will do their job and then, mercifully, just go away…   

 

The problem with S/V/O network analysis isn’t necessarily science. Rather, it is the overbearing focus on technique at the expense of impact and outcome.

 

Methods like 6-Sigma scale because they deal with deterministic order systems. They outcome and goal is always known, e.g., lower defects. The 6-Sigma problem space is well bounded and operational, not strategic.

 

The network analysis opportunity is always complex, strategic and unknown. What must drive it is NOT technique but impact and outcome. This is the nub of the issue.

 

In SNA and VNA there are a lot of technique bullies. They do not have the business acumen, consulting ability or leadership chops to divine likely business outcomes in advance. Thus, they devolve into eye-watering technique, turgid pontifications and mind-numbing hubris. It repels users, stunts adoption and is just plain ridiculous. Game over.

 

If a prospect says, “Gee, you are a recognized authority, could you run a SNA on my outfit?” Politely conclude the meeting and excuse yourself. It is what the authentic network analysis pros do. Unless you can engage at a higher level, chances of success are slim. It is key to scope the business impact. Unless you are working on a business outcome, then you are just an everyday SNA instructor.

 

VNA and SNA are techniques. The only ‘management discipline’ rqr’d is a sanguine network mindset. Leading with technique, science-based or otherwise, will always fail. Sometimes, ‘insultants’ are rqr’d to correct fundamental thinking defects.

 

To scale S/V/O/NA correct mgmt’s bias to process mental pathology. Trust me, unlearning a century of Taylorism and Fordism is not easy. Today’s crushing legacy of Fordism is the principle barrier to SNA scale, not science.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordism   

 

BTW, note the stunning disasters when 6-Sigma was applied to complex systems like customer service and support. Ha! What a delicious, sublime farce.

 

Cheers,

 

-j

 

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Subject: SV: [ona-prac] SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?

 

 

Hi Patti


#794 From: Valdis Krebs <valdis@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Great insights Matt!

Orgnet now has a data base of high performing organizations and their network
patterns and training/mentoring on how other organizations can get there.

The big obstacle remains, as Matt mentioned, managers unable to "see in terms of
connections" or believe that connections matter. The above research helps us
focus management on PERFORMANCE!

Valdis
http://orgnet.com
http://thenetworkthinkers.com


On Mar 28, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Matt Moore wrote:

> Consultants need to start talking about network improvement.
>
> I also think there's a simple awareness factor. Many business decision makers
still do not see the world in terms of networks - but an increasing number do.

#795 From: John Maloney <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
jheuristic2000
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Hi Matt - 

"Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks..."

Yes, of course, this is correct. However, the irony is they DO see the balance of their lives in terms of networks. With family and friends, for example, most all command a prosperous mastery of networks. Why they dismiss it the moment they cross the threshold of work is the problem to solve. 

In addition, these 'business decision makers' have been doing SNA for decades vis-a-vis the org chart. The org chart is a simple hub and spoke network structure. Every time they move a box or reporting link to improve performance, to modify a network pattern, it's a crude (and ineffectual) form of social network diagnosis and analysis.

It is easy to convince managers that the org chart is a network. It can furnish a worthwhile stepping off point for more authentic, performance-led SNA.

Thanks for the thread.

-j  

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Matt Moore <innotecture@...> wrote:

From: Matt Moore <innotecture@...>
Subject: Re: [ona-prac] SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
To: "ona-prac@yahoogroups.com" <ona-prac@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:48 PM

 

Hello,

Very few clients buy "network analysis" but many organizations are becoming aware of the networked nature of their business.

I don't see SNA as a new six sigma but I do see it as the next business process mapping. N.B. Clients don't buy business processing mapping (BPM) work, they buy process improvement.

You can do time-consuming BPM with expensive modeling software or you can you it with a pen and the back of an envelope.

Consultants need to start talking about network improvement.

I also think there's a simple awareness factor. Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks - but an increasing number do.

Cheers,

Matt Moore
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Hi,


#796 From: Bob Bater <bbater@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Matt said:

>
Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks <
Lamentably true. But many do not even get as far as taking a process view either. It's a double-whammy. IMHO, we need to 'educate' decision-makers in both BPM and ONA and their synergistic relationship(s).

Ciao,

Bob

On 28/03/2011 23:48, Matt Moore wrote:
 
Hello,

Very few clients buy "network analysis" but many organizations are becoming aware of the networked nature of their business.

I don't see SNA as a new six sigma but I do see it as the next business process mapping. N.B. Clients don't buy business processing mapping (BPM) work, they buy process improvement.

You can do time-consuming BPM with expensive modeling software or you can you it with a pen and the back of an envelope.

Consultants need to start talking about network improvement.

I also think there's a simple awareness factor. Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks - but an increasing number do.

Cheers,

Matt Moore
+61 423 784 504
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2011, at 12:06 AM, "Patti Anklam" <patti@...> wrote:

 

Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?†http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 

You may want to post your responses to the blog itself, as well as in this forum.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 


#797 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:51 pm
Subject: RE: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Hi – Process mapping is futile, counterproductive and harmful in knowledge-based organizations and activities. Organizations are social systems. They are emergent. The ridiculous analytic reductionism of process engineering and mapping hurts performance, people and organizations. Beware. Remember, ladies and gentlemen, it’s the 21st not the 19th Century. See:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/opinion/29brooks.html?pagewanted=print

 

C’mon, BPM? Really? Good grief.  

 

“…pen and the back of an envelope…â€

 

Matt’s right, a ‘SHA’ (short-hand abstraction) is very powerful. A simple social graph is a potent SHA.

 

BTW, if BPM is so great, why isn’t it a SHA? See:

 

http://www.edge.org/q2011/q11_index.html#greenej

 

 

 

-j


#798 From: Laurence Lock Lee <llocklee@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
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Sorry for the long post but....I guess when I wrote the original post I was looking for something that could create a step change in the adoption rate of SNA by business. Education and coaching of business decision makers is clearly critical and I'm sure all practitioners on this list and others do this at every opportunity. But the fact remains that the pace of adoption is still frustratingly slow. I note Morten's arguments for keeping the links to the science. I'm not suggesting that clients may not be interested in the underlying science and theories. In fact that is often how we get jobs. My point is that there are not enough of these inquisitive early adopters to get us up the growth curve....as illustrated by the Gartner hype cycle John provided. 

As to business case studies ...just a personal reflection....most of you will know of the roundtable that Rob Cross has been running for several years now. Rob has been very successful in engaging mainstream businesses to join this roundtable and collaborate as a 'community' in sharing experiences in applying SNA. Andrew Parker often ran Ucinet tutorials as part of these sessions. The company myself and my business partner used to work for was an enthusiastic member ... and not just because Rob's wife worked there :) We conducted some joint projects (internal and external) and I attended a session in Boston and was particularly impressed by the number and nature of the organisations that had paid to join up. On reflection however, the people at the workshops were early adopters (including us). I don't believe the diffusion is happening fast enough yet, despite the abundance of compelling case studies. Since we left 5 years ago, I doubt that my old company has conducted a single SNA study...though I'd be delighted to be proven wrong. This experience has contributed to my views about complexity of tools. The Roundtable people and many others are often introduced to SNA through Ucinet and Netdraw. These are tools designed for academics, not practitioners. It would have been like starting a six sigma green belt (is that the lowest?) session by demonstrating the intricacies of SAS or SPSS.

I note Valdis' post about his performance database, relating patterns with performance. We have done something similar having been doing SNA projects for over a decade now .... though I'm sure our data base is smaller than Valdis'...he's been doing it for much longer! Maybe this is part of the answer. I know the APQC and other benchmarking organisations have benefited from this. Perhaps we need to share our designs and come up with one that we can leverage more broadly.

Finally to Matts comments, who knows my position on this as seeing BPM as the 'enemy'.... or more accurately BPM proponents who push the approach beyond its capabilities. I'd like to think that the social software movement has helped our case here as business decision-makers struggle with their  @home and @work personas. There was a time when PCs were only an @home tool! But I am fearful that entrained 'top down' thinking as noted by Joshua Letourneau's comment on the Linkedin SNAP group; which I abstract here: 

' In North America, 99% of those working for the larger Mgmt Consulting firms graduate from the typical white-box, top-20 Business School (which is largely driven by socio-economics here in the U.S.) These programs emphasize elements (formal, hierarchical, linear processes and procedures, causality, etc.) that are largely debunked by SNA'

Maybe this is back to John Maloney's comment about getting to the students and MBA programmes.....let's hope its no that hard!


Laurence Lock Lee PhD
Partner, Optimice Pty Ltd
Ph: +61 (0)407001628
www.optimice.com.au
Blog: http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/
 
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On 30/03/2011, at 7:39 AM, Bob Bater wrote:

 

Matt said:

>
Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks <
Lamentably true. But many do not even get as far as taking a process view either. It's a double-whammy. IMHO, we need to 'educate' decision-makers in both BPM and ONA and their synergistic relationship(s).

Ciao,

Bob

On 28/03/2011 23:48, Matt Moore wrote:

 
Hello,

Very few clients buy "network analysis" but many organizations are becoming aware of the networked nature of their business.

I don't see SNA as a new six sigma but I do see it as the next business process mapping. N.B. Clients don't buy business processing mapping (BPM) work, they buy process improvement.

You can do time-consuming BPM with expensive modeling software or you can you it with a pen and the back of an envelope.

Consultants need to start talking about network improvement.

I also think there's a simple awareness factor. Many business decision makers still do not see the world in terms of networks - but an increasing number do.

Cheers,

Matt Moore
+61 423 784 504
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2011, at 12:06 AM, "Patti Anklam" <patti@...> wrote:

 

Hi, all,

 

I invite you to read Laurie Lock Lee’s recent blog post: “Can SNA be the new Six Sigma?” http://governanceandnetworks.blogspot.com/2011/03/can-sna-be-new-six-sigma.html as it asks an important question for ONA practitioners:

 

·         Do we need to separate our practice from the science of SNA in order for it to become an established management discipline?

 

You may want to post your responses to the blog itself, as well as in this forum.

 

/patti

 

Patti Anklam

Net Work: Leveraging Content, Knowledge and Networks

Harvard, MA 01451

+1(978)456-4175

 

 




#799 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2011 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: SNA/ONA: for researchers or practitioners?
jheuristic2000
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Hi Laurie --

 

"Maybe this is back to John Maloney's comment about getting to the students and MBA programmes.....let's hope its no that hard!"

 

This was my suggestion, but not really what was meant. For MBA programs is too late, kids are already way gone by then. Look, universities are corporations. Many traditions are monastic and draw from canon law. They mostly furnish continuity, stability and automata like any good bureaucracy.

 

In addition, sadly many universities are preoccupied with producing gladiators for ‘March Madness’ and the ‘Pac 10.’ Coaches earn millions, professors not so much. Curricula are rigid and dogmatic, so forth and so on. Many universities are simply failing civil society.

 

Rather, the network transformation must be more like Peter Thiel’s 20 Under 20use investment capital to encourage kids to drop out of school to develop ideas, solutions and products. See: http://bit.ly/ct3zLq 

 

Recall, many of the great the leaders today, Gates, Ellison, Dell, Jobs, etc., are dropouts. Create an environment for iconoclasts not conformists.

 

The other thing is STOP innovating. That is a path to oblivion. Creating modest, incremental process productivity growth, also known as innovation, is a total waste. It’s one definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Or put another way --

 

"The righter you do the wrong thing, the wronger you become.

It is better to do the right thing wrong than the wrong thing right." Ackoff

 

Process thinking is a suffocating framework that repels people, networks, variation, complexity. It is the classic ‘race to the bottom.’ Sorry folks, there is really NO way to get from a process mindset to networks. Also, the network mindset is NOT a process innovation!

 

Network thinking is a mutation: an entirely new frame of reference. Network mutations require a SUDDEN departure from the parent organization in one or more heritable characteristics. This will never be accomplished with a dopey MBA curriculum adjustment.

 

Network mutation is caused by a fundamental change in an organizational gene or a chromosome. ONA is instrumental in seeing and understanding the genetic structure, including its defects and advantages. ONA and the network mindset aid continuous mutation, thus altering the evolutionary nature of the organization. This, in turn, achieves new levels of growth and prosperity.

 

Meanwhile, mutation of the ossified MBA/university establishment should not be expected.

 

-j

 

   

  

 

 

 

 


#800 From: "Patrick S.W.Fong" <bspafong@...>
Date: Thu Apr 7, 2011 8:46 am
Subject: Call for Papers: Managing Projects in the Knowledge Economy
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2nd Asia Pacific Research Conference on Project Management (APRPM 2011)
 
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  • Innovations in Projects
  • Sustainability Issues in Projects
  • Web 2.0 / Social Media for Projects
  • Process and Knowledge Management in Projects
  • Classification and representation of Project Repositories
  • Collaboration Tools / Techniques / Strategies / Technologies for Projects
  • Project Dashboards and Portals
  • Project Management Tools, Techniques and Strategies
The conference theme frames project management as a type of temporary organisation and issues associated with project work under the knowledge economy. We encourage research contributions that explore such phenomena.
 
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Important Dates:
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#801 From: "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Thu May 5, 2011 3:40 pm
Subject: End of Value Networks
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#802 From: "jheuristic2000" <jtmalone@...>
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: End of Value Networks
jheuristic2000
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Hi -

This raises the question if value networks/VNA business principles were so
great, why did the Value Networks firm suddenly collapse? Hmmmm.

Thoughts?

This question may be germane to LLL's thread/question on how to get better
traction w/SNA+ONA in business.

My opinion is that VN/VNA was so ponderous, so turgid and overweight, with
practitioners so lofty, rare and insular, that Value Networks was simply crushed
by its own mountainous hubris.

The business message for SNA/ONA pull-through? KISS: Keep it Sweet and Simple!

-j


--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
>
>
> For ONA-prac -
>
>
>
> http://networksingularity.com/2011/05/05/end-of-value-networks.aspx
>
>
>
> -j
>

#803 From: Eric Hoffer <erichoffer@...>
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: End of Value Networks
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John -
You write as if VNA is "history", but my understanding is that they've simply restructured organizationally.  You also seem to imply that it is something broadly considered and determined to have been ineffective.

I would argue that it is simply a brand of "multi-dimensional consideration", focused on all constituents to an interaction, with an eye toward the different currencies of the various constituents.  This is just an (at least) abstraction beyond what the typical human mind tends to process - which makes it somewhat complex, and not for everyone.

And there are, and will be, different articulations of the concept - whether as flavors of ONA, SNA, VNA, System Dynamics... that will be preferred by, or suited to, different people - ironically, not unlike what I understand to be one of the core underlying concepts of VNA itself -- consideration from the viewpoints of different perspectives.


Eric Hoffer
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#804 From: "Patti Anklam" <patti@...>
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 4:13 pm
Subject: RE: Re: End of Value Networks: Not!
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John,

 

I don’t think it’s appropriate to use a modest business financial restructuring to declare an “end” to a conceptual model with a solid methodology.

 

See the clarification, at http://valuenetworks.com/public/item/266971, including “the changes will not affect delivery of services or software support for the Value Network Insights application.

 

Business in VNA and ONA may not be booming (for any number of reasons that practitioners are always interested in addressing), but the methods will always be useful tools for making sense of, and leading to insights into, core business problems.

 

/patti

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jheuristic2000
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:16 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] Re: End of Value Networks

 

 



Hi -

This raises the question if value networks/VNA business principles were so great, why did the Value Networks firm suddenly collapse? Hmmmm.

Thoughts?

This question may be germane to LLL's thread/question on how to get better traction w/SNA+ONA in business.

My opinion is that VN/VNA was so ponderous, so turgid and overweight, with practitioners so lofty, rare and insular, that Value Networks was simply crushed by its own mountainous hubris.

The business message for SNA/ONA pull-through? KISS: Keep it Sweet and Simple!

-j

--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
>
>
> For ONA-prac -
>
>
>
> http://networksingularity.com/2011/05/05/end-of-value-networks.aspx
>
>
>
> -j
>


#805 From: Sérgio Storch <sergiostorch@...>
Date: Tue May 10, 2011 5:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: End of Value Networks: Not!
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Patti,thanks for your clarification!
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2011/5/10 Patti Anklam <patti@...>
 

John,

 

I don’t think it’s appropriate to use a modest business financial restructuring to declare an “end” to a conceptual model with a solid methodology.

 

See the clarification, at http://valuenetworks.com/public/item/266971, including “the changes will not affect delivery of services or software support for the Value Network Insights application.

 

Business in VNA and ONA may not be booming (for any number of reasons that practitioners are always interested in addressing), but the methods will always be useful tools for making sense of, and leading to insights into, core business problems.

 

/patti

 

From: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ona-prac@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jheuristic2000
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:16 AM
To: ona-prac@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ona-prac] Re: End of Value Networks

 

 



Hi -

This raises the question if value networks/VNA business principles were so great, why did the Value Networks firm suddenly collapse? Hmmmm.

Thoughts?

This question may be germane to LLL's thread/question on how to get better traction w/SNA+ONA in business.

My opinion is that VN/VNA was so ponderous, so turgid and overweight, with practitioners so lofty, rare and insular, that Value Networks was simply crushed by its own mountainous hubris.

The business message for SNA/ONA pull-through? KISS: Keep it Sweet and Simple!

-j

--- In ona-prac@yahoogroups.com, "John Maloney" <jtmalone@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
>
>
> For ONA-prac -
>
>
>
> http://networksingularity.com/2011/05/05/end-of-value-networks.aspx
>
>
>
> -j
>



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