--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> If you make a track of Vs, lets say 10 of them and put the
> magnet at the middle point of the track, will the magnet
> then start to roll and go to the end of the track?
>
> Alex.
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "magnetman12003"
> <tferko243700MI@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have added a simple iron V to the photo section under the
BarberPoles
> > motor idea
> >
> > Its nothing more than a section of bent clothes hanger wire and I
have
> > a 3 inch long alnico cow magnet across it. The magnet rolled that
> > distance from the spear point of the V.
> >
> > Place the magnets center on the V spear point and it will roll up
the V
> > wings rather quickly when all is on a flat surface.
> >
> > You will find by experimenting with any rod magnet the angle the
> > iron "wings" are spaced apart is very important.   If the iron V
angle
> > is to small or large the iron track will not work.  Try 60
degrees as
> > starters and work from there.






The rod magnet will roll from the middle of the V track also.

You most certainly will have to experiment with different magnets and
Iron V sizes. Some combinations work very slowly or not at all. Other
magnets/iron Vs track fast.

Start if you can with a simple alnico cow magnet and a section of
common clothes hanger bent 60 degrees. The cow magnet is 3 inches
long.  The wings TIPS of the V should be 3 inches apart when the rod
magnet rolls to that position. Looking at it straight down you can
now see the perfect equalateral tringle shape if your V is bent to
the proper angle. If you can not see that shape bend the wire more
untill the magnet forms that shape bridging the wings of the V.   You
will be delighted how fast this rod travels the V shape.  Its a good
starting reference point.  No sticky spots.   Tom




Use this as starting point to reference how quick a magnet will track
a single V. All this costs is the price of one alnico cow magnet and
a junk hanger wire.  Tom
> >
> > I used a 3 inch long magnet and found that size is easy to work
with.
> > My best results where when the "wing tips" of the iron V spread
open to
> > 3 inches of distance between them.   A equalateral triangle
> > configuration.
> >
> > By the way - stacked rod magnets do not work.  The iron is very
> > sensitive to magnetic changes and when joints between stacked
magnets
> > roll across the iron V the stacked rod will stop. Experiment with
a
> > solid rod.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

Hi All,

I have added a simple iron V to the photo section under the BarberPoles
motor idea.

Its nothing more than a section of bent clothes hanger wire and I have
a 3 inch long alnico cow magnet across it. The magnet rolled that
distance from the spear point of the V.

Place the magnets center on the V spear point and it will roll up the V
wings rather quickly when all is on a flat surface.

You will find by experimenting with any rod magnet the angle the
iron "wings" are spaced apart is very important.   If the iron V angle
is to small or large the iron track will not work.  Try 60 degrees as
starters and work from there.

I used a 3 inch long magnet and found that size is easy to work with.
My best results where when the "wing tips" of the iron V spread open to
3 inches of distance between them.   A equalateral triangle
configuration.

By the way - stacked rod magnets do not work.  The iron is very
sensitive to magnetic changes and when joints between stacked magnets
roll across the iron V the stacked rod will stop. Experiment with a
solid rod.

Tom

Jason,

Work is energy times distance. It has to move to perform work.
A book on a table is also being held up against gravity.
Remove the table and work is done while the book drop to the floor.
After the book has hit the floor, no more work is done. You then
do work to lift the book back onto a new table.

I'm saying this for a reason. The main problem with many free
energy research projects is that people do not understand how
things work and what laws that apply. If you want to get something
to work you must find a way to avoid the laws that give you losses
in your system. You must also find ways to convert energy from a
form that you can not use to a energy form that you can use.
If you then find a new way to tap into a energy source that
nobody has found yet, then you will have success.

Same goes with science. If you find a flaw in the laws of man and
can understand something new about nature, then you will have
a chance of building something new that will work.

Free energy research and free energy claims has been around since
approx. the twelfth century. So far none of these inventions has
made it as a simple and practical devise for people to use. Why do you
think it is so? (No, forget the MIBs) Could the reason be that all
those devises tried to do something that nature do not permit?

My opinion is that if you want to find free energy you must find
it somewhere that science has not looked yet. There are two areas
that look promising, one is the Hydrogen research, the other
is cold fusion.

Alex.

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, Jason Beamish
<jjbeamish123@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I thought a magnet holding itself up against gravity is doing
something (work). If it is de magnetized, it will fall. My mistake.
>
> groundloop2003 <groundloop2003@...> wrote:   Jason,
>
> No it is not.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_work
>
> Alex.
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, Jason Beamish
> <jjbeamish123@> wrote:
> >
> > A magnet on the fridge is holding itself, that is work. Likewise,
> the superglue would be doing work.
> >
> > groundloop2003 <groundloop2003@> wrote:  Peter,
> >
> > Magnets by them self has no energy. You can stick a magnet to
> > your fridge and the magnet can hang there for 1000 years
> > doing NO work at all. It will be the same work done if you
> > glue a piece of iron to your fridge with super glue, none!
> > You can however move magnets or you can move coils by using
> > energy. You can use energy to make a coil magnetic also.
> > By doing so, you will not create any new energy. The losses
> > in your system will always be there, fighting back at what
> > you do.
> >
> > Does this mean that free energy is not possible? No, it does not!
> > You must find an unknown sourche to tap from, that all.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> > <harvestpie@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > The thing that keeps us interested in a magnetic motor is the belief
> > > that magnetism is that source of energy. If, for example, a wheel
> > > rotates 330 degrees using magnetic force, I wonder if this is enough
> > > to generate the energy needed to turn it the last 30 degrees. At
> > > least, how effecient can we make this wheel?
> > >
> > > Peter   
> > >
> > > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
> > > <groundloop2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Peter,
> > > >
> > > > You have just described the problem with all SMOOT type magnetic
> gate
> > > > devises.
> > > > They all have one thing common, you can move a magnet or magnetic
> > > > material ONCE
> > > > and then you need to use power to get to your starting point.
> > > > It is just the same with all motors that uses magnets and coils.
> > > > You need to provide power to overcome the various
> > > > losses in the system. In a coil you have resistance (loss) you
have
> > > > the Lentz law (losses), in the rotor you have the bearing(s)
> > > > (losses) and air resistance (losses). When you add up all the
> > > > losses and the and the power output of your motor you get close to
> > 100%.
> > > > You never get more than 100% out of the motor.
> > > > If you do not tap into an unknown energy source then your
motor will
> > > > be less than 100%.
> > > > Now we are with the core of all free energy systems.
> > > > How to tap into an unknown source of energy.
> > > > Is there any unknown source of energy?
> > > > I certainly hope so.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I'm running a test on a pulse motor. The motor uses
> > > > 0,384 Watt to run. Since I'm running this motor without any load,
> > > > then this tells me that my losses are 0,384 Watt. So If I ran this
> > > > same motor in a vacuum camber in zero gravity with magnetic
bearings
> > > > then this motor would still use some energy to run because of the
> > > > resistance in the coil and the Lentz law. So now I just put
another
> > > > coil in there that generate 0,384 Watt and loop that back to the
> > > > battery and then I got a motor running without any input, right?
> > > > Wrong. To generate 0,384 Watt I also generate new losses in the
> > > > new coil! I will also start to load the rotor so the input usage
> > > > will go up. This is a no win situation.
> > > >
> > > > Alex.
> > > >
> > > > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> > > > <harvestpie@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > > Of course, you are correct. Most of us who built the iron ramp
> tried
> > > > > to close the loop simply by joining the ends as in your drawing.
> > > > > However, this did not work for me.
> > > > >  I have a great interest in the Sprain motor as I am presently
> > working
> > > > > on an electrically assisted magnetic motor. I don't think O/U
> can be
> > > > > achieved by placing a coil on the stator to overcome the sticky
> > spot.
> > > > > Simply, you must create as much or more force to overcome as the
> > force
> > > > > causing the "sticky spot".
> > > > > Peter
> > >
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Hi all,

I would like to tell for a fact that the circular iron V rotor idea
will not work.  Why is as follows:

The magnetic pull on the iron V has to be " EQUAL" on both sides of
the V at all times.

The iron V track ""MUST"" present itself to the rod magnets in
a "straight on" configuration.

With a circular setup the outsides of the V wing tips have a greater
distance between them than the insides of the V wing tips.   Circular
wont work. I made the circular setup 2 years ago and no cigar
appeared for me. Wont budge an inch.  Lesson learned.

More interleafing between the iron Vs even compounds the problem
further in a circular configuration.

With the spiral setup the Vs head straight on at the rod magnets. How
much interleafing only will be found by experimenting with the
iron/steel Vs material you are using.   Tom

Jason,

No it is not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_work

Alex.

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, Jason Beamish
<jjbeamish123@...> wrote:
>
> A magnet on the fridge is holding itself, that is work. Likewise,
the superglue would be doing work.
>
> groundloop2003 <groundloop2003@...> wrote:  Peter,
>
> Magnets by them self has no energy. You can stick a magnet to
> your fridge and the magnet can hang there for 1000 years
> doing NO work at all. It will be the same work done if you
> glue a piece of iron to your fridge with super glue, none!
> You can however move magnets or you can move coils by using
> energy. You can use energy to make a coil magnetic also.
> By doing so, you will not create any new energy. The losses
> in your system will always be there, fighting back at what
> you do.
>
> Does this mean that free energy is not possible? No, it does not!
> You must find an unknown sourche to tap from, that all.
>
> Alex.
>
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> <harvestpie@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex
> > The thing that keeps us interested in a magnetic motor is the belief
> > that magnetism is that source of energy. If, for example, a wheel
> > rotates 330 degrees using magnetic force, I wonder if this is enough
> > to generate the energy needed to turn it the last 30 degrees. At
> > least, how effecient can we make this wheel?
> >
> > Peter   
> >
> > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
> > <groundloop2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > You have just described the problem with all SMOOT type magnetic
gate
> > > devises.
> > > They all have one thing common, you can move a magnet or magnetic
> > > material ONCE
> > > and then you need to use power to get to your starting point.
> > > It is just the same with all motors that uses magnets and coils.
> > > You need to provide power to overcome the various
> > > losses in the system. In a coil you have resistance (loss) you have
> > > the Lentz law (losses), in the rotor you have the bearing(s)
> > > (losses) and air resistance (losses). When you add up all the
> > > losses and the and the power output of your motor you get close to
> 100%.
> > > You never get more than 100% out of the motor.
> > > If you do not tap into an unknown energy source then your motor will
> > > be less than 100%.
> > > Now we are with the core of all free energy systems.
> > > How to tap into an unknown source of energy.
> > > Is there any unknown source of energy?
> > > I certainly hope so.
> > >
> > > Right now I'm running a test on a pulse motor. The motor uses
> > > 0,384 Watt to run. Since I'm running this motor without any load,
> > > then this tells me that my losses are 0,384 Watt. So If I ran this
> > > same motor in a vacuum camber in zero gravity with magnetic bearings
> > > then this motor would still use some energy to run because of the
> > > resistance in the coil and the Lentz law. So now I just put another
> > > coil in there that generate 0,384 Watt and loop that back to the
> > > battery and then I got a motor running without any input, right?
> > > Wrong. To generate 0,384 Watt I also generate new losses in the
> > > new coil! I will also start to load the rotor so the input usage
> > > will go up. This is a no win situation.
> > >
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> > > <harvestpie@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > > Of course, you are correct. Most of us who built the iron ramp
tried
> > > > to close the loop simply by joining the ends as in your drawing.
> > > > However, this did not work for me.
> > > >  I have a great interest in the Sprain motor as I am presently
> working
> > > > on an electrically assisted magnetic motor. I don't think O/U
can be
> > > > achieved by placing a coil on the stator to overcome the sticky
> spot.
> > > > Simply, you must create as much or more force to overcome as the
> force
> > > > causing the "sticky spot".
> > > > Peter
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Peter,

Magnets by them self has no energy. You can stick a magnet to
your fridge and the magnet can hang there for 1000 years
doing NO work at all. It will be the same work done if you
glue a piece of iron to your fridge with super glue, none!
You can however move magnets or you can move coils by using
energy. You can use energy to make a coil magnetic also.
By doing so, you will not create any new energy. The losses
in your system will always be there, fighting back at what
you do.

Does this mean that free energy is not possible? No, it does not!
You must find an unknown sourche to tap from, that all.

Alex.


--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
<harvestpie@...> wrote:
>
> Alex
> The thing that keeps us interested in a magnetic motor is the belief
> that magnetism is that source of energy. If, for example, a wheel
> rotates 330 degrees using magnetic force, I wonder if this is enough
> to generate the energy needed to turn it the last 30 degrees. At
> least, how effecient can we make this wheel?
>
> Peter   
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
> <groundloop2003@> wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > You have just described the problem with all SMOOT type magnetic gate
> > devises.
> > They all have one thing common, you can move a magnet or magnetic
> > material ONCE
> > and then you need to use power to get to your starting point.
> > It is just the same with all motors that uses magnets and coils.
> > You need to provide power to overcome the various
> > losses in the system. In a coil you have resistance (loss) you have
> > the Lentz law (losses), in the rotor you have the bearing(s)
> > (losses) and air resistance (losses). When you add up all the
> > losses and the and the power output of your motor you get close to
100%.
> > You never get more than 100% out of the motor.
> > If you do not tap into an unknown energy source then your motor will
> > be less than 100%.
> > Now we are with the core of all free energy systems.
> > How to tap into an unknown source of energy.
> > Is there any unknown source of energy?
> > I certainly hope so.
> >
> > Right now I'm running a test on a pulse motor. The motor uses
> > 0,384 Watt to run. Since I'm running this motor without any load,
> > then this tells me that my losses are 0,384 Watt. So If I ran this
> > same motor in a vacuum camber in zero gravity with magnetic bearings
> > then this motor would still use some energy to run because of the
> > resistance in the coil and the Lentz law. So now I just put another
> > coil in there that generate 0,384 Watt and loop that back to the
> > battery and then I got a motor running without any input, right?
> > Wrong. To generate 0,384 Watt I also generate new losses in the
> > new coil! I will also start to load the rotor so the input usage
> > will go up. This is a no win situation.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> > <harvestpie@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex
> > > Of course, you are correct. Most of us who built the iron ramp tried
> > > to close the loop simply by joining the ends as in your drawing.
> > > However, this did not work for me.
> > >  I have a great interest in the Sprain motor as I am presently
working
> > > on an electrically assisted magnetic motor. I don't think O/U can be
> > > achieved by placing a coil on the stator to overcome the sticky
spot.
> > > Simply, you must create as much or more force to overcome as the
force
> > > causing the "sticky spot".
> > > Peter
>

Alex
Thanks for the interesting Depalma link. I will do more reading and
get back to the group next week. I am off to visit my granddaughter
for the next few days.
Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> I looked up your site and yes, you make excellent art and illustrations.
> The right circumstances for magnets to do work is when you use energy
> to make the magnets do work. I also read the pdf document about
> unipolar generators. I think it was Bruce Depalma that did most of
> the research on homopolar generators. He even got a patent in 1994
> as far as I know. Those generators (and also motors) are unique since
> the magnets rotate along with the "coils" or more correct metal
> plate that generate power. The main problem with homopolar generators
> is the low voltage and high current produced. The losses in the
> connectors is very high due to the low voltage generated. If I
> remember correct, there was a guy from India that claimed O/U
> with such a device. Here is a link to Depalmas site:
> http://depalma.pair.com/index.html
>
> Alex.

Alex,
You can place a pail of gasoline in the fridge for 1000 years and it
will do NO work. My point is that under the right circumstances
magnets have the potential to do work.
Have you tried any generation of electrical current by rotating a
magnet as in
http://www.physics.umd.edu/lecdem/outreach/QOTW/arch11/q218unipolar.pdf
  It is a pleasure to converse with you. I wish I was more knowledgable
in the electrical field. My expertise is in the field of art and
illustrations. See www.eebeh.com

Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Magnets by them self has no energy. You can stick a magnet to
> your fridge and the magnet can hang there for 1000 years
> doing NO work at all. It will be the same work done if you
> glue a piece of iron to your fridge with super glue, none!
> You can however move magnets or you can move coils by using
> energy. You can use energy to make a coil magnetic also.
> By doing so, you will not create any new energy. The losses
> in your system will always be there, fighting back at what
> you do.
>
> Does this mean that free energy is not possible? No, it does not!
> You must find an unknown sourche to tap from, that all.
>
> Alex.
>
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> <harvestpie@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex
> > The thing that keeps us interested in a magnetic motor is the belief
> > that magnetism is that source of energy. If, for example, a wheel
> > rotates 330 degrees using magnetic force, I wonder if this is enough
> > to generate the energy needed to turn it the last 30 degrees. At
> > least, how effecient can we make this wheel?
> >
> > Peter

Alex
The thing that keeps us interested in a magnetic motor is the belief
that magnetism is that source of energy. If, for example, a wheel
rotates 330 degrees using magnetic force, I wonder if this is enough
to generate the energy needed to turn it the last 30 degrees. At
least, how effecient can we make this wheel?

Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> You have just described the problem with all SMOOT type magnetic gate
> devises.
> They all have one thing common, you can move a magnet or magnetic
> material ONCE
> and then you need to use power to get to your starting point.
> It is just the same with all motors that uses magnets and coils.
> You need to provide power to overcome the various
> losses in the system. In a coil you have resistance (loss) you have
> the Lentz law (losses), in the rotor you have the bearing(s)
> (losses) and air resistance (losses). When you add up all the
> losses and the and the power output of your motor you get close to 100%.
> You never get more than 100% out of the motor.
> If you do not tap into an unknown energy source then your motor will
> be less than 100%.
> Now we are with the core of all free energy systems.
> How to tap into an unknown source of energy.
> Is there any unknown source of energy?
> I certainly hope so.
>
> Right now I'm running a test on a pulse motor. The motor uses
> 0,384 Watt to run. Since I'm running this motor without any load,
> then this tells me that my losses are 0,384 Watt. So If I ran this
> same motor in a vacuum camber in zero gravity with magnetic bearings
> then this motor would still use some energy to run because of the
> resistance in the coil and the Lentz law. So now I just put another
> coil in there that generate 0,384 Watt and loop that back to the
> battery and then I got a motor running without any input, right?
> Wrong. To generate 0,384 Watt I also generate new losses in the
> new coil! I will also start to load the rotor so the input usage
> will go up. This is a no win situation.
>
> Alex.
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> <harvestpie@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex
> > Of course, you are correct. Most of us who built the iron ramp tried
> > to close the loop simply by joining the ends as in your drawing.
> > However, this did not work for me.
> >  I have a great interest in the Sprain motor as I am presently working
> > on an electrically assisted magnetic motor. I don't think O/U can be
> > achieved by placing a coil on the stator to overcome the sticky spot.
> > Simply, you must create as much or more force to overcome as the force
> > causing the "sticky spot".
> > Peter

Alex
Of course, you are correct. Most of us who built the iron ramp tried
to close the loop simply by joining the ends as in your drawing.
However, this did not work for me.
  I have a great interest in the Sprain motor as I am presently working
on an electrically assisted magnetic motor. I don't think O/U can be
achieved by placing a coil on the stator to overcome the sticky spot.
Simply, you must create as much or more force to overcome as the force
causing the "sticky spot".
Peter


--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> If you want to make a motor then you must close the loop.
> I thought the point was to make a motor?
> The barber pole also closes the loop.
>
> I have tested the method (not the Sprain motor) used in the Sprain
> motor. I have tested almost all different configurations that I
> could think of. None of the configurations produced O/U.
> See my web site: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/sprain/sprain.htm
> for more details.
>
> Alex.
>
> --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "mrstropes57"
> <harvestpie@> wrote:
> >
> > Alex
> > Yes, your design is easier but it is just closing the loop on the iron
> > ramp.
> > I would like an opinion on the pulse motor at
> > http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > --- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
> > <groundloop2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Look in the files section in the Alex folder. You will see a drawing
> > > called VROTOR.jpg
> > >
> > > I think this design is more easy to make instead of your double
> > > barber pole design. A flat and round rotor needs only two bearings.
> > >
> > > Alex.
> >
>

Alex
Yes, your design is easier but it is just closing the loop on the iron
ramp.
I would like an opinion on the pulse motor at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Paul_Harry_Sprain_magnet_motor

Peter


--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Look in the files section in the Alex folder. You will see a drawing
> called VROTOR.jpg
>
> I think this design is more easy to make instead of your double
> barber pole design. A flat and round rotor needs only two bearings.
>
> Alex.

Hi All,

I have added my very interesting motor idea based on a twin spirals.
Look at the photo section.  Its an open loop configuration.  If you
dont understand what the iron V configuration is then go to The "Flying
Dutchman" website.  A full descripion of Robert Calloways Iron Vs is
presented there.

Yes -- I have built a linear track configuration based on this iron
track concept and it does work. The rod magnet however stops at tracks
end. There are no magnetic sticky spots!

No -- I have not built a spiral configuration as I have illustrated in
the Photo section but that motor idea should work.  Interested partys
can give it a go.     Tom

Hi All,

I have added my very interesting motor idea based on a twin spirals.
Look at the photo section.  Its an open loop configuration.  If you
dont understand what the iron V configuration is then go to The "Flying
Dutchman" website.  A full descripion of Robert Calloways Iron Vs is
presented there.

  Yes -- I have built a linear track configuration based on this iron
track concept and it does work. The rod magnet however stops at tracks
end. There are no magnetic sticky spots!

No -- I have not built a spiral configuration as I have illustrated in
the Photo section but that motor idea should work.  Interested partys
can give it a go.     Tom

Oh Good!! I was wondering about the NPN transistor. I have downloaded
the diagram from your file. Thanks.
Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Sorry for the typo!
>
> "output pulse to a NPN trasistor (BD type)"
>
>  Should read:
>
> "output pulse to a PNP transistor (BD type)"
>
> Alex.
>
>

Thanks Alex. I am awaiting shipment of new Hall switches and
transistors. I am changing my power source to a rechargeable 6V sealed
lead battery. I assume I should still add a BD transistor and solder a
0.1 uF cap. between the Hall switch plus and minus.
Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> The Hall effect switch you are using is direct pin and type compatible
> with the A3240EUA that I'm using in my circuits. I think you can use
> your Hall switch on my circuits without any problems. I recommend
> using one medium (BD transistor) between the Hall and the power
> transistor. By doing so, you are limiting the current draw out of you
> Hall switch. A power transistor can draw quite high currents on the
> base and if you draw too much (more than 25mA) out of your Hall switch
> then you will kill the Hall switch. You can also solder a 0,1 uF
> capacitor between plus and minus on you Hall switch. The cap. will
> protect the Hall switch against small power spikes.
>
> Alex.

Thank you Alex for your response. The Hall switch is unipolar,
4.5-24v, made by Allegro Microsystems part# A3121EUA. The transistor
is a PNP power Darlington, max. voltage 60-100v. I will again go to
your site to study some curcuit variants.
Peter

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> When you build electronic circuits, one thing that help me a lot is
> downloading the manufacture PDFs data sheets for the electronic parts
> I use. If you use a Hall Effect switch, look in the data sheet and see
> the rating of the device. If the device are rated 12 Volt you may
> think you are safe but in a switch connected to a coil you are not.
> When you fire a coil with a transistor or FET, very lager voltage
> spikes may occur. Those voltage spikes will be much higher than the
> 9,6 Volt you are using. If those voltage spikes are allowed to go to
> the positive terminal of the Hall Effect switch, then you will kill
> the switch. Also be careful when handling the Hall Effect switch. Most
> modern ICs is sensitive to static electricity. You can actually zap
> them just by holding the device in your hand.
>
> Now to your setup. I looked at you circuit drawing on your site.
> You have connected the Hall switch to one transistor and direct to the
> coil and battery. You have no protection for over voltage spikes on
> your Hall IC. If you go to my site
> http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/sprain/sprain.htm you will find some
> circuits variants that my help you. If you tell me the type of Hall
> switch you are using, I can make you a circuit drawing that better
> protect your switch.
>
> Alex.

Hi Alex
You suond like a pretty smart guy. I have spent much of my life (60 years)
playing with magnets and searching for a permanent magnet motor. Some
of my work is at http://theowlnest.com/kickbypage.html . I recently
built a couple of simple pulse motors as you can see in the videos on
this page. I followed the instructions at www.simplemotor.com . I used
the Hall IC's and the transistors that were available without knowing
how to match them with the power source. The first motor uses a 4 volt
Lego power pack (3 C cells). The last one uses a 9.6 volt rechargeable
Ni-Cd battery. So far I have burned out 2 Hall sensors using the 9.6
volt pack. How do I match the IC and transistor with the power pack?
(a simle answer for a simple mind please)
Peter
--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "groundloop2003"
<groundloop2003@...> wrote:
>
> Hi members my name is Alex and I'm new on this discussion board.
> Some few words about myself, I work as an engineer in electronic and
> data. As a hobby I build and test claimed free energy devises.
> So far I haven't found one free energy devise that actual work as
> claimed by the inventors! Never give up hope, though, I'm
> building and testing the Marcus Wagner 6.0 charger right now.
> The inventor thinks it may be over unity based on the strange current
> measurements.
> You can find information on my web site : http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/
> about the various systems I have build and tested.
>
> Have a nice day.
> Alex.
>

Hi, just to let you all know that I don't like to spend my time
chating or bragging, I have been working on my ERT and will be testing
it soon. I'm not going to do updates all the time, although I still
update my web site weekly if I get time. My time is important so I
hate to waste it typing. So have a good weekend.

Hi All, A short time ago I presented a 5 sphere magnet motor idea to
the group.  It did not work out so I removed all traces of it from the
photo section.  Sorry- it looked good on paper ---

My Construct a GRAVITY/MAGNET ASSISTED motor info presented in the
photo section is not an idea.  It goes a lot further.
Enough said.  Build one for yourself and see.  Note: All THE RING
MAGNETS ROLL as wheels.  Done any other way with any other shape of
magnet and it will not work!         Tom

Hi Tom and other "Silent Lurkers"
As I mentioned to Tom in an email, I had no luck with my motor as my
magnets were attracted to the metal hoop and did not rotate. Hopefully
you will be able to "unstick" them with this design. Good Luck.
Tropes
>
> Hi all,
>
> Do you want to construct a simple gravity all permanent magnet motor?
>
> Check out the Photo section for all details.
>
> By all means the first thing you must do is take a strong heavy
> neodymium ring magnet and place the "ROUND SIDE"-not flat side  onto
> the side of your steel refrigerator and turn it loose.
>
> Watch how it rolls/slides down the fridge easily. Its hard to pull
> straight off the fridge however.
>
> That whole magnet concept is used in this unbalanced motor design.
> Tom
>

Hi all,

Do you want to construct a simple gravity all permanent magnet motor?

Check out the Photo section for all details.

By all means the first thing you must do is take a strong heavy
neodymium ring magnet and place the "ROUND SIDE"-not flat side  onto
the side of your steel refrigerator and turn it loose.

Watch how it rolls/slides down the fridge easily. Its hard to pull
straight off the fridge however.

That whole magnet concept is used in this unbalanced motor design.
Tom

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "magnetman12003"
<tferko243700MI@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Please make a copy of my motor idea you can see in the photo section
> and while reading this reasoning as why this motor should work.
>
> If my reasoning is flawed please tell me why.
>


Hi Magnetmen
If only it was that simple. In order to sustain motion, there must be
a constant state of imbalance. What happens with this type of
configuration is the stator and the rotor magnets find a state of
equilibrium. Some call this "flux lock". All vectors equal "0". I
believe the way around this is to create an actuator or third force.
You can find some of my early work at
http://theowlnest.com/kickbypage.html
Tropes

I put up a magnet motor page at
www.overunitybuilder.com/magnetmotors.html check out
my design.

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>            From: "mrstropes57"
> <harvestpie@...>
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>    Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 19:36:39 -0000
>    From: "magnetman12003"
> <tferko243700MI@...>
> Subject: ALL PERMANENT MAGNET MOTOR IDEA EXPLAINED
>
> Hi All,
>
> Please make a copy of my motor idea you can see in
> the photo section
> and while reading this reasoning as why this motor
> should work.
>
> If my reasoning is flawed please tell me why.
>
> Shown in yellow is a spinning rotor with 4 sphere or
> ball
> magnets "FIXED" in positions illustrated.  Those
> ball magnets DO NOT
> TURN. They are fixed. North is Red. South Is Blue.
>
> Shown in pink surrounding the ball magnet spinning
> rotor is a FIXED
> outer ring with 16 magnet NORTH poles facing towards
> the spinning
> rotor. North poles are in red.
>
> I wish to point out here those 16 outer ring magnets
> must be "long"
> as we are only going to use the north pole and dont
> want any south
> pole influence whatever.
>
> THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT:
> I also wish to point out that at any given time only
> 5 of the 16
> fixed ring magnets should have direct influence on
> any given sphere
> rotor magnet swinging past them.
>
> This can easily followed by looking at a quarter
> section of the rotor
> itself.  I have numbered the ring magnets 1 through
> 5. The fixed ball
> magnet is nearest ring magnet number 3 at this point
> in time.
>
> Ring magnet number 1 attracts the rotor ball magnet
> clockwise.
>
> Ring magnet number 2 attracts the rotor ball magnet
> stronger as its
> closer. Clockwise.
>
> Ring magnet number 3 both attracts and repells the
> fixed ball magnet
> because the ball magnets centerpoint is presenting
> itself to the ring
> magnet. (Tends to twist but ball is FIXED mounted to
> rotor)
>
> It happens however that the ball magnets centerpoint
> also is its
> weakest point.  The shape of the ball magnet
> positioned as such is
> that it wont "STICK" in a given spot and "slides"
> easily.
>
>
> Moving on we see ring magnet 4 and ring magnet 5
> repelling the
> opposite side of the rotor ball magnet.
>
> The end result is the rotor moves continuously in a
> clockwise
> direction.
>
> I need comments as to why it will or wont work.
>
> If you decide to build it remember each ball magnet
> should have 5
> fixed ring magnets direct magnetic influence on it
> at all times when
> the rotor turns. Space out your magnets accordingly.
>  Keep me posted
> if you construct it.      Tom
> magnetman12003
>
>
>
>
>
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>    Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:05:38 -0000
>    From: "mrstropes57" <harvestpie@...>
> Subject: constructive
>
> Hi All
> I am a Canadian new to this group. I have spent the
> last 3 years as
> part of the Bowman group, the minatowheel group and
> the pulse motor
> group. I was attracted to this group by the
> N-generator idea and the
> attitude of the moderator. I am also interested in
> magnetman's attemt
> at a motor. I have built a few similar motors. Most
> of my free time is
> evenings and weekends.
> Tropes
>
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Hi All
I am a Canadian new to this group. I have spent the last 3 years as
part of the Bowman group, the minatowheel group and the pulse motor
group. I was attracted to this group by the N-generator idea and the
attitude of the moderator. I am also interested in magnetman's attemt
at a motor. I have built a few similar motors. Most of my free time is
evenings and weekends.
Tropes

Hi All,

Please make a copy of my motor idea you can see in the photo section
and while reading this reasoning as why this motor should work.

If my reasoning is flawed please tell me why.

Shown in yellow is a spinning rotor with 4 sphere or ball
magnets "FIXED" in positions illustrated.  Those ball magnets DO NOT
TURN. They are fixed. North is Red. South Is Blue.

Shown in pink surrounding the ball magnet spinning rotor is a FIXED
outer ring with 16 magnet NORTH poles facing towards the spinning
rotor. North poles are in red.

I wish to point out here those 16 outer ring magnets must be "long"
as we are only going to use the north pole and dont want any south
pole influence whatever.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT:
I also wish to point out that at any given time only 5 of the 16
fixed ring magnets should have direct influence on any given sphere
rotor magnet swinging past them.

This can easily followed by looking at a quarter section of the rotor
itself.  I have numbered the ring magnets 1 through 5. The fixed ball
magnet is nearest ring magnet number 3 at this point in time.

Ring magnet number 1 attracts the rotor ball magnet clockwise.

Ring magnet number 2 attracts the rotor ball magnet stronger as its
closer. Clockwise.

Ring magnet number 3 both attracts and repells the fixed ball magnet
because the ball magnets centerpoint is presenting itself to the ring
magnet. (Tends to twist but ball is FIXED mounted to rotor)

It happens however that the ball magnets centerpoint also is its
weakest point.  The shape of the ball magnet positioned as such is
that it wont "STICK" in a given spot and "slides" easily.


Moving on we see ring magnet 4 and ring magnet 5 repelling the
opposite side of the rotor ball magnet.

The end result is the rotor moves continuously in a clockwise
direction.

I need comments as to why it will or wont work.

If you decide to build it remember each ball magnet should have 5
fixed ring magnets direct magnetic influence on it at all times when
the rotor turns. Space out your magnets accordingly.  Keep me posted
if you construct it.      Tom           magnetman12003

--- In overunitybuilders@yahoogroups.com, "magnetman12003"
<tferko243700MI@...> wrote:
> The Depalma generator has been around for a very long time and that
is why I believe that the idea is in need of some analysis as to how
fast do you need to rotate the disk to produce a useful voltage, from
the few times I've heard of reproductions they were disappointing.
Electrostatic generators are much better developed and avoid lenzes
law as well see my electrostatics page
> Hi Dan and all,
>
> I have just posted a photo of a N MOTOR/GENERATOR. Take a look at it.
>
> After scouring the internet I see this as the simplest easy to
> construct a generator that can produce OVERUNITY using spinning magnets
> in a flywheel type configuration. Materials are readily available.
>
> From what I read the generator power output is GREATER than the motor
> power to drive it.  THE MAGNETS THEMSELVES FURNISH THE EXTRA ENERGY.
>
> In one word ----OVERUNITY.
>
> Now my next question is has anyone constructed a working model of this
> N motor/gen???   It looks like 4 magnets, a brass plate, bronze center
> shaft, and power pickup contacts are all thats needed.
>
> I figure that with my particular motor setup instead of constructing a
> power coil (drag) encircling my rotor I will just use the N magnets as
> shown on my bronze motor shaft and use part of the "overunity" output
> of the N generator setup to keep charging my single drive battery ??
> Comments?
>
>
> Please read the whole report. Click "BRUCE.E. DEPALMA N -MACHINE" on
> your google search engine.  Lots of good reading on this subject.
>
> Tom
>

Hi Dan and all,

I have just posted a photo of a N MOTOR/GENERATOR. Take a look at it.

After scouring the internet I see this as the simplest easy to
construct a generator that can produce OVERUNITY using spinning magnets
in a flywheel type configuration. Materials are readily available.

From what I read the generator power output is GREATER than the motor
power to drive it.  THE MAGNETS THEMSELVES FURNISH THE EXTRA ENERGY.

In one word ----OVERUNITY.

Now my next question is has anyone constructed a working model of this
N motor/gen???   It looks like 4 magnets, a brass plate, bronze center
shaft, and power pickup contacts are all thats needed.

I figure that with my particular motor setup instead of constructing a
power coil (drag) encircling my rotor I will just use the N magnets as
shown on my bronze motor shaft and use part of the "overunity" output
of the N generator setup to keep charging my single drive battery ??
Comments?


Please read the whole report. Click "BRUCE.E. DEPALMA N -MACHINE" on
your google search engine.  Lots of good reading on this subject.

Tom

I have launched another site called www.oracle-of-nostradamus.com
which can also be seen at www.overunitybuilder.com/prophecy.html By
the way it fulfills the prophecy about the crystal skulls coming
together to speak.

Hi Dan and all,

I would like to tell everyone what I am doing.

I have constructed a Bedini type "hybrid" single 12 volt battery
permanent magnet motor/generator.  It employs my own ideas as well as
those gathered elsewhere.

My 10 pound spinning flywheel has 8 grade N50 neodymium magnets spaced
evenly on the outside circumference of the motor rotor.

The motor is driven by a single 12 volt battery, a solid state DC
relay, a hall device pickup, and two large handwound stator coils
positioned so the attraction mode is always used.  It produces a lot of
torque and speed.

The motors back EMF is directed to a battery charging capacitor which
has its dump rate controlled back into the battery. The battery
chemistry depends on the Rate and Amount of charge to recharge itself
while the motor is operating. ---- I am still working on this----

Remember that recharge indirectly comes from the drive battery and is
limited in scope to motor effeciency and the amp hour of a battery.
You might run for hours, days, or weeks, but sooner or later you must
recharge. It comes under the law of diminishing returns.  You need a
CONTINUOUS power charging source to achieve unity or overunity.

When our car runs out of gas we MUST fill up again at some point.

Suppose we can manufacture gas inside our car for the engine while on
the road? We NEVER will have to stop.

I am experimenting not only with a single battery capacitor dump
circuit but also with a large stand alone wire wound hoop that
encircles the motor rotor completely.

When the motor is running this supplys CONTINUOUS raw voltage to the
battery dump capacitor and suppliments the Back Emf charge that was
already directed to the capacitor.

Now we indirectly have the powerfull rotor magnets themselves assisting
battery charging.

With the right coil design and recharging circuit unity or overuity is
possible.

I would like to know exactly how to make a 12 volt bucking coil as I
understand it produces more back EMF.      Thanks, Tom

Hi, My name is Dan Quale. I created this group to aid the goals stated
in my website. If you wish to see your ideas on my website, just
submit them here and I will see if they are worth including on my
site. Let's see if we can accomplish bringing O.U./F.E. into the
marketplace. My free time is quite limited which is why I created
overunitybuilder.com. I figured that more people are looking to build
good ideas and there are too few good ideas out there. When I get an
idea that is proven to work and have the design refined enough, I will
attempt to manufacture and market it myself. I actually work as a
machinist for a company big enough to make just about anything on my
website. But money must be raised as well as a proven design made. I
hope to raise some money with the ads from my website as well as
trying to sell some of my ideas. I may not respond to every e-mail, so
don't ask me any questions that aren't worthy of my limited time.