Estimataj,
Antau kelkaj tagoj s-ro Robert Leleu el Francio alighis al tiu chi listo, trovis
ke ghiaj mesaghoj konsistas precipe el spamo, kaj raportis tion al la Centra
Oficejo de Universala Esperanto-Asocio. Estis trovite poste ke la problemo
shuldighas al tio, ke la posedanto de la listo mortis jam en 2002, post la fondo
de la listo en 2001. La spamo shajne komencis alveni en 2004 kaj pliighis post
tiam.
Mi skribis al Yahoo, demandante chu estas iel eble igi alian homon administranto
de la listo, tiel ke la spamo povas ighi blokata kaj la spam-mesaghoj eventuale
forigitaj el la arkivo. Yahoo estas nun respondinta, ke eblas ja igi iun ech
posedanto de la listo, kaj ke la proceduro por tio estas ke okazu enketo en la
koncerna listo pri la temo, kiu estu la nova posedanto. Mi pretas fari tiun
enketon kaj poste esti provizora administranto/posedanto de la listo, se
dezirate. Se estas aliaj membroj de la listo kiuj shatus alpreni tion, tiuj
skribi al la listo kaj/au al mi komunikante tion, kaj mi metos iliajn nomojn en
liston de kandidatoj por la enketo. Se neniu alia volas alpreni tion, estos dua
elekteblo "Lasu la grupon tia kia ghi nun estas." Chu au ne estos alia(j)
kandidato(j), la enketo dauros unu semajnon ekde morgau, post kiam la rezultoj
estos senditaj al Yahoo kaj shangho eventuale farita.
Mi almetas la korespondadon (anglalingvan) kun Yahoo sube.
Kore salutas
Roy McCoy / CO de UEA
*******
> Hello Roy,
>
> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
>
> Before I go into addressing your concern, I'd like to first apologize
> for the delay in my responding to your inquiry. We are committed to
> answering your questions as quickly and accurately as possible. However,
> we are currently receiving unusually high volumes which caused the
> delayed response.
>
> I understand you have concerns regarding the moderation/ownership of the
> Yahoo! group, "per-esperanto-komerco". I'm sorry to hear about the loss
> of the group's owner, and will be happy to offer some direction.
>
> Roy, in some circumstances, we may promote an elected member to owner,
> so that a group can be managed.
>
> If you would like to select a new owner, please use the group's polls
> feature to create a poll. Then list the Yahoo! IDs or email addresses of
> a few members who would like to be an owner as these will be the choices
> for the poll. It is recommended that you also choose to "display voter
> identity." You will need to announce the poll to your group and ask the
> members to vote on who they would like to be the owner. Please allow the
> poll to remain open for a period of at least one week. Once the poll has
> closed, please email a reply back to us, and we will appoint the
> "elected" owner.
>
> Please note that if you are unable to locate another member who would
> like to be included in the choices on the poll, you can put one owner
> choice and then a second choice with something similar to "Leave the
> group like it is" or "Make no changes to the ownership of this group."
>
> I look forward to hearing from you once the poll has ended. Please let
> us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.
>
> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gidget
>
> Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
> Groups E2Y
>
> For assistance with all Yahoo! services, please visit:
>
> http://help.yahoo.com/
>
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> Original Message Follows:
> -------------------------
>
> Mail-Id:
> w1.help.ch1.yahoo.com-/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/contact/yggene
> ralform2.html-1286800574-9329
>
> 1. How can we help you?
> ------------------------
>
> Hello. My name is Roy McCoy and I have worked for the last 22 years as a
> fulltime staffer at the headquarters of Universal Esperanto Association
> in Rotterdam, NL. We yesterday received word from one of our members
> that an Esperanto group, <per-esperanto-komerco>, is infested with
> spam and apparently has been abandoned. Our director wrote to someone
> else in the organization who has been active with Esperanto Yahoo!
> Groups, and this person informed us that the administrator of the list
> in question was deceased. I checked in our database and found that this
> was indeed the case and that the administrator, Santiago Álvarez of
> Colombia, had passed away already in 2002 following the founding of the
> list in the previous year. The first spam message I noticed upon joining
> today was in November 2004; the quantity increased from then on,
> whenever exactly the first spam message appeared.
>
> I searched the help several times on this problem but found nothing. I
> did find some information via a general Internet search, namely an
> assertion in 2007 that Yahoo's bottom line was that a person in a
> dead list could stay in the group, create a new one, or locate a new one
> that has an active owner
> (http://messages.groups.yahoo.com/Groups/Moderators/threadview?m=tm&bn=g
> rp-groupmanagement&tid=8317&mid=8407&tof=27&so=E&rt=2&frt=2&off=1).
> I also found a very encouraging Yahoo! Groups Blog entry on the subject
> at http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/?p=124, but unfortunately with a 2010
> updating comment at the bottom of the page informing that Yahoo still
> hadn't done anything to implement the proposed new guidelines and
> apparently didn't plan to do so.
>
> I have also see, however, indications of several exceptions that have
> been made in individual cases, most interestingly one in which a member
> of such a group was promoted by Yahoo to moderator but not made owner.
> That would be fine for us, as a moderator could edit the content and
> change the settings so that no more spam was posted (approved membership
> and/or new member moderation). So, could you PLEASE do this for us or
> forward this request to someone who can? I can propose three candidates
> for moderator, at least one of which, I should think, would be
> acceptable:
>
> 1. myself, to whom the task was forwarded at the Esperanto association,
> and who has administered various Yahoo! Groups over the last years;
> 2. the director of the Esperanto association, Osmo Buller
> <direktoro@...>; or
> 3. former association president Renato Corsetti
> <renato.corsetti@...>, Yahoo! Display name renatocorsetti,
> who is no longer in the group but who co-founded it in 2001 as the first
> message in the group's archive clearly shows, though in Esperanto.
>
> Simplest for all concerned would be for Yahoo to promote me to
> moderator, as I am already in the group having joined today in response
> to receiving the matter from our director. One thing I will request is
> either an immediate no or action taken on this request. In other words,
> I hope we won't have to keep repeating the request. I hope I have
> provided you with enough material for you to determine your response. An
> obituary of Mr. Álvarez supposably appeared in our monthly magazine in
> 2002 or early 2003, and a copy of this could be provided at your
> request. In any event it is quite clear that the list has been abandoned
> for eight years of the nine of its existence.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> mr_roy_mccoy
> Roy McCoy <roymccoy.nl@...>
>
> 2. What Yahoo! group are you writing about?
> --------------------------------------------
> Group Name: per-esperanto-komerco
>
> 3. How may we contact you?
> ---------------------------
> Name: Roy McCoy
>
> Yahoo! ID: mr_roy_mccoy
>
> Email Address: roymccoy.nl@...
Robert Leleu skribis:
> ....perfekte, kaj, kiam ni havos novan posedanton, li povus malanigi ĉiujn
membrojn, ĉar jam ekzistas alia simila listo en Guglo.
Tio estus tria opcio, kaj oni povus igi la arkivon publika tiel ke la antaua
mesaghado ne estus perdita. Ankorau alia eblo estus tute forvishi la liston, sed
tio ne havus tiun lastan avantaghon. Ni povas lasi tiun decidon ghis poste, kaj
nun nur reakiri la posedon de la listo. Ghis nun neniu alia proponis sin por
posedanto/administranto.
> Mia opinio, aprte por uzi ĉapelitajn literojn, Guglo pli bone funkcias ol
Jahuo....
Tio povas esti, sed mi mem ne emas elekti inter la du, kaj se mi elektus
kredeble estus favore al Yahoo char mi pli spertas che ghi.
Roy McCoy / CO de UEA
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
per-esperanto-komerco group:
La posedanto de <per-esperanto-komerco> mortis en 2002, kaj poste spamo komencis
pli kaj pli aperi en la grupaj mesaghoj. Necesas interveno de
administranto/posedanto por forigi la spamajhojn kaj preventi ke plia spamo
aperu. Chu estu nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy), au chu la grupo estu
lasita tia kia ghi nun estas? [Angla traduko por Yahoo/English translation for
Yahoo: The owner of <per-esperanto-komerco> died in 2002, and afterwards spam
began to appear more and more in the group's message. Intervention of a new
administrator/owner is necessary to get rid of the spam messages and prevent
more spam from appearing. Should there be a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy),
or should the group be left as it is?]
o Transferu la grupon al nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy). [Transfer the
group to a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy).]
o Lasu la grupon tia kia ghi nun estas. [Leave the group like it is.]
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/per-esperanto-komerco/surveys?id=13042268
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
Pri la jhusa anonco:
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> per-esperanto-komerco group:
En Esperanto: Registru vian vochon hodiau! Nova enketo estas
kreita por la grupo <per-esperanto-komerco>:
> [...]
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/per-esperanto-komerco/surveys?id=13042268
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
[...]
Por vochdoni, bonvolu viziti la jenan TTT-paghon:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/per-esperanto-komerco/surveys?id=13042268
Noto: Bonvolu ne respondi al tiu chi mesagho. Enketaj vochoj
ne kolektighas per retposhto. Por vochdoni, vi devas iri al la
TTT-ejo de Yahoo-Grupoj indikita supre.
Se vi volas korekti la problemon de la grupo kaj forigi la spamon,
bonvolu ja vochdoni. Se listanoj ne registras deziron por tio,
Yahoo kredeble ne faros shanghon. Dankon.
Roy McCoy / CO de UEA
The following per-esperanto-komerco poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: La posedanto de <per-esperanto-komerco> mortis en 2002, kaj poste
spamo komencis pli kaj pli aperi en la grupaj mesaghoj. Necesas interveno de
administranto/posedanto por forigi la spamajhojn kaj preventi ke plia spamo
aperu. Chu estu nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy), au chu la grupo estu
lasita tia kia ghi nun estas? [Angla traduko por Yahoo/English translation for
Yahoo: The owner of <per-esperanto-komerco> died in 2002, and afterwards spam
began to appear more and more in the group's message. Intervention of a new
administrator/owner is necessary to get rid of the spam messages and prevent
more spam from appearing. Should there be a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy),
or should the group be left as it is?]
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Transferu la grupon al nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy). [Transfer the
group to a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy).], 5 votes, 100.00%
- Lasu la grupon tia kia ghi nun estas. [Leave the group like it is.], 0 votes,
0.00%
INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Transferu la grupon al nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy). [Transfer the
group to a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy).]
- saluton123@...
- danskona@...
- roymccoy.nl@...
- renato.corsetti@...
- scotto@...
- Lasu la grupon tia kia ghi nun estas. [Leave the group like it is.]
For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/per-esperanto-komerco
For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.html
ATT: Gidget
Dear Gidget,
Thank you very much for your mail of October 14, to which I am now
replying per your instructions. I placed the suggested poll on
October 15 and it closed on October 23. I asked for other candidates
before placing it, but no one else came forward. The poll question
was as follows:
> La posedanto de <per-esperanto-komerco> mortis en 2002, kaj poste
> spamo komencis pli kaj pli aperi en la grupaj mesaghoj. Necesas
> interveno de administranto/posedanto por forigi la spamajhojn kaj
> preventi ke plia spamo aperu. Chu estu nova posedanto (provizore
> Roy McCoy), au chu la grupo estu lasita tia kia ghi nun estas?
> [Angla traduko por Yahoo/English translation for Yahoo: The owner
> of <per-esperanto-komerco> died in 2002, and afterwards spam began
> to appear more and more in the group's message. Intervention of a
> new administrator/owner is necessary to get rid of the spam messages
> and prevent more spam from appearing. Should there be a new owner
> (provisionally Roy McCoy), or should the group be left as it is?]
There were two choices:
> Transferu la grupon al nova posedanto (provizore Roy McCoy).
> [Transfer the group to a new owner (provisionally Roy McCoy).]
and
> Lasu la grupon tia kia ghi nun estas. [Leave the group like it is.]
There were 5 votes for transfer and 0 votes for leaving as is.
I am thus the elected owner and hope you will appoint me to take
over the list as you said in your mail.
Thank you,
Roy McCoy <roymccoy.nl@...>
mr_roy_mccoy
On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Yahoo! Groups wrote:
> Hello Roy,
>
> Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Groups.
>
> Before I go into addressing your concern, I'd like to first apologize
> for the delay in my responding to your inquiry. We are committed to
> answering your questions as quickly and accurately as possible. However,
> we are currently receiving unusually high volumes which caused the
> delayed response.
>
> I understand you have concerns regarding the moderation/ownership of the
> Yahoo! group, "per-esperanto-komerco". I'm sorry to hear about the loss
> of the group's owner, and will be happy to offer some direction.
>
> Roy, in some circumstances, we may promote an elected member to owner,
> so that a group can be managed.
>
> If you would like to select a new owner, please use the group's polls
> feature to create a poll. Then list the Yahoo! IDs or email addresses of
> a few members who would like to be an owner as these will be the choices
> for the poll. It is recommended that you also choose to "display voter
> identity." You will need to announce the poll to your group and ask the
> members to vote on who they would like to be the owner. Please allow the
> poll to remain open for a period of at least one week. Once the poll has
> closed, please email a reply back to us, and we will appoint the
> "elected" owner.
>
> Please note that if you are unable to locate another member who would
> like to be included in the choices on the poll, you can put one owner
> choice and then a second choice with something similar to "Leave the
> group like it is" or "Make no changes to the ownership of this group."
>
> I look forward to hearing from you once the poll has ended. Please let
> us know if you have any additional questions or concerns.
>
> Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Groups.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gidget
>
> Yahoo! Groups Customer Care
> Groups E2Y
>
> For assistance with all Yahoo! services, please visit:
>
> http://help.yahoo.com/
>
> New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - better than ever!
>
> Upgrade to a Safer Version of Internet Explorer 8
>
> Download Now
> http://yhoo.it/duCKHc
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> -------------------------
>
> Mail-Id:
> w1.help.ch1.yahoo.com-/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/contact/yggene
> ralform2.html-1286800574-9329
>
> 1. How can we help you?
> ------------------------
> (The earlier posting of this request apparently contained
> duplicated text. Here it is again with the duplicated text deleted and
> with my apologies.)
>
> Hello. My name is Roy McCoy and I have worked for the last 22 years as a
> fulltime staffer at the headquarters of Universal Esperanto Association
> in Rotterdam, NL. We yesterday received word from one of our members
> that an Esperanto group, <per-esperanto-komerco>, is infested with
> spam and apparently has been abandoned. Our director wrote to someone
> else in the organization who has been active with Esperanto Yahoo!
> Groups, and this person informed us that the administrator of the list
> in question was deceased. I checked in our database and found that this
> was indeed the case and that the administrator, Santiago Çlvarez of
> Colombia, had passed away already in 2002 following the founding of the
> list in the previous year. The first spam message I noticed upon joining
> today was in November 2004; the quantity increased from then on,
> whenever exactly the first spam message appeared.
>
> I searched the help several times on this problem but found nothing. I
> did find some information via a general Internet search, namely an
> assertion in 2007 that Yahoo's bottom line was that a person in a
> dead list could stay in the group, create a new one, or locate a new one
> that has an active owner
> (http://messages.groups.yahoo.com/Groups/Moderators/threadview?m=tm&bn=g
> rp-groupmanagement&tid=8317&mid=8407&tof=27&so=E&rt=2&frt=2&off=1).
> I also found a very encouraging Yahoo! Groups Blog entry on the subject
> at http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/?p=124, but unfortunately with a 2010
> updating comment at the bottom of the page informing that Yahoo still
> hadn't done anything to implement the proposed new guidelines and
> apparently didn't plan to do so.
>
> I have also see, however, indications of several exceptions that have
> been made in individual cases, most interestingly one in which a member
> of such a group was promoted by Yahoo to moderator but not made owner.
> That would be fine for us, as a moderator could edit the content and
> change the settings so that no more spam was posted (approved membership
> and/or new member moderation). So, could you PLEASE do this for us or
> forward this request to someone who can? I can propose three candidates
> for moderator, at least one of which, I should think, would be
> acceptable:
>
> 1. myself, to whom the task was forwarded at the Esperanto association,
> and who has administered various Yahoo! Groups over the last years;
> 2. the director of the Esperanto association, Osmo Buller
> <direktoro@...>; or
> 3. former association president Renato Corsetti
> <renato.corsetti@...>, Yahoo! Display name renatocorsetti,
> who is no longer in the group but who co-founded it in 2001 as the first
> message in the group's archive clearly shows, though in Esperanto.
>
> Simplest for all concerned would be for Yahoo to promote me to
> moderator, as I am already in the group having joined today in response
> to receiving the matter from our director. One thing I will request is
> either an immediate no or action taken on this request. In other words,
> I hope we won't have to keep repeating the request. I hope I have
> provided you with enough material for you to determine your response. An
> obituary of Mr. Çlvarez supposably appeared in our monthly magazine in
> 2002 or early 2003, and a copy of this could be provided at your
> request. In any event it is quite clear that the list has been abandoned
> for eight years of the nine of its existence.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> mr_roy_mccoy
> Roy McCoy <roymccoy.nl@...>
>
> 2. What Yahoo! group are you writing about?
> --------------------------------------------
> Group Name: per-esperanto-komerco
>
> 3. How may we contact you?
> ---------------------------
> Name: Roy McCoy
>
> Yahoo! ID: mr_roy_mccoy
>
> Email Address: roymccoy.nl@...
>
> While Viewing:
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/contact/yggener
> alform2.html
>
> Last URL:
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/contact/yggener
> alform2.html
>
> Form Name:
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/contact/yggener
> alform2.html
>
> Yahoo ID: mr_roy_mccoy : Yahoo id from cookie
> "https://amt.yahoo.com/amt/dosearch?.token=7rWpwR0qlM2a6qqXn279.9xcS46wr
> KyKGPF1SJrSQfvOog--"
>
>
> Other ID:
>
> Machine: Apple
>
> OS: MacOSX
>
> Browser: Safari 5.0
>
> REMOTE_ADDR: 82.168.98.25
>
> REMOTE_HOST: 82-168-98-25.ip.telfort.nl
>
> Date Originated: Monday October 11, 2010 - 05:36:14
>
> Cookies: enabled
>
> AOL: no
>
> -------
Estimataj,
Mi jhus ricevis la du jenajn mesaghojn de Yahoo:
(1)
> Congratulations! customersupport has changed your membership status
> for the group per-esperanto-komerco from Member to Owner.
>
> As a group owner, you have complete control over all features and
> settings of the group. [...]
(2)
> [...] We appreciate your continued patience during this process of
> electing a new moderator for the group "per-esperanto-komerco."
>
> Roy, we have verified the results of the owner poll and have promoted
> you to owner with full privileges. [...]
Alivorte, ili igis min posedanto de la listo lau la rezulto de la jhus
farita enketo. Mi do forigos la jaman spamon kaj provos malebligi ke
spamo plu venu.
Dankon al chiuj kiuj vochdonis, kaj bonan liston. Eblas transiri al
la samtema Google-listo, sed kiel mi skribis antaue, mi ne okupighos
pri tio sed provizore nur pri tiu chi nun-rekaptita Yahoo-listo.
Roy McCoy
Mi ne scias, chu Mi povus havi sukceson. sed, Mi petus, se Vi havas plezuron, sendi al Mi katalogon kun prezoj. Mi ne rapidas. Se estus - papere Mia adreso estas:
Jes,s-ro,cxu eblas sendi al mi la katalogo de tabula komputiloj,axu Laptop,kaj notlibroj.
Jayrous ELIAKIMU de Tanzanio
--- On Sat, 7/2/11, fang yong <fanjono@...> wrote:
From: fang yong <fanjono@...> Subject: [per-esperanto-komerco] notlibraj kaj tabulaj komputiloj To: per-esperanto-komerco@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 2, 2011, 4:09 AM
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Eble pli bone ne klaki sur "Yes" au "No".
Mi forigis la spamiston (au spam-roboton).
Roy McCoy
administranto
On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:00 AM, newcifriends wrote:
> LOL, I found a very funny picture and wanna know your opinion. Do u think this
picture is funny? Check the funny picture here:
> http://myhotprofiles.webs.com/funny.html
Mi ne memoras, kiomfoje mi petis vin telefone, kaj kiom multege mi pagis por la telefonado! Mi jam ne plu kapablas!
La tago proksimigxas, versxajne vi komencas forgesi, pri kio ni interkonsentigxis?
En la jxusa telefonado vi denove havas la saman pretekston, ke vi ne havas!
Mi petas, ke vi faru tion, kion ni decidis! Kaj kondutu dece kiel bona homo, kaj vera kristano! Mi petegas! Mi jam estas mizera! Bonvolu havi iom da kompato!
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