Hi all,  I am pleased to announce my patent pending "LENZLESS
GENERATOR"  It may be the answer to our search for
overunity/free-energy. I have built and tested 3 versions. I have more
info and a video on my website,,, www.overunitybuilder.com, click on
the image to go to the page with all the info. I will be attempting to
develop and market it myself. However, you can help by making your own
and sharing on you tube or my website, or any other website.
Independent verification by others is the best help for now. Also
please spread the word so that this device does not get stopped before
it gets going. Thanks Dan Quale

I did high frequency modal analyses of Edwin Gray engine electromagnet
cores. I have obtained hundreds of MHz. I think, that when you push
high voltage impuls (something like Dirac) into the system. It starts
oscilate.
This oscilation is between electrostatic field and electromagnetic
field. These
are high frequency electromagnets in Edwin Gray engine!!! Vector of
magnetic induction is in the plane which is perpendicular to the
winding and vector of electrostatic field intensity is paralel to the
winding. I think, ingine changes surrounding electrostatic field
trough elenctromagnetic field to mechanical work by electromagnetic
waves. The system pumpes surrounding electrostatic energy.
Unfortunately Earth electrostatic charge is small to power all cars.
Probably Tesla transmiters on Sahara could solve this problem.

----- Original Message -----

From: Sterling D. Allan

To: garymagratten@...

Cc: PES Gray Motor Open Sourcing e-group

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:25 PM

Subject: Magratten Motor for sale

Hi Gary,

 

Wow, what a pleasant surprise after not hearing from you for so long.  I have lots of questions.  Give me a call when you get a chance.

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: garymagratten@...

To: sterlingda@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:29 PM

Subject: PES Network Inc., Executive Director contact

Dear Mr. Sterling D. Allan,

 

         I hope you are healthy and doing well. Please visit

http://www.coldelectricity.info/

The motor is for sale. We are still working on the price.

It should be under $2,000.oo.

The report on "Cold Electricity, Electron Avalanche and

Electron-Positron Annihilation" is forth coming.

 

                                                        Respectfully,

                                                         Gary Magratten

                                             

----- Original Message -----

From: garymagratten@...

To: sterlingda@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:29 PM

Subject: PES Network Inc., Executive Director contact

Dear Mr. Sterling D. Allan,

 

         I hope you are healthy and doing well. Please visit

http://www.coldelectricity.info/

The motor is for sale. We are still working on the price.

It should be under $2,000.oo.

The report on "Cold Electricity, Electron Avalanche and

Electron-Positron Annihilation" is forth coming.

 

                                                        Respectfully,

                                                         Gary Magratten

                                             

Ref: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/EdGrayMotor/PM_PEM_MG/

There's a discussion group on that subject (receiving this response by Cc)
that has been dormant.  You might find some people on that list will be able
to help you.

The HJ_Motor list (also Cc) might also be able to help you in sourcing the
magnets you are needing.

You might want to get on both lists to network.

Best wishes.

Sterling


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Walrath" <warpath@...>
To: <sterlingda@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:21 AM
Subject: PES Network Inc., Executive Director contact


Dear Mr Allan,
     I have recently reviewed the web site describing the motor built by
Gary Magratten. It requested that if any other people were endeavoring
to build such motors that they should let you know. My partner and I
have been working on a prtotype for about a year now that is based on
the same priciple as "Gray's" and " Magratten's". I, myself, have
working on the principles for almost 30 years. The reason I am pushing
the project now is to get a unit to the public to alleviate the economic
pressure that so many families now face due to the "fuel shortage". I am
currently trying to get magnets made from China but the shipping cost is
prohibitive. I am now looking toward American companies. The design of
my motor uses unique geometries in conjunction with the pull/push of
PM/EM. I would very much like to correspond with you or Gary in regard
to my project if you so desire.
Sincerely, Tim Walrath

--- In pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com, "culleychris" <cculley1@...> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> A recent test of a circuit configuration gave a surprising and
useful
> output from the CSET. With a healthy, large green-tinged spark the
> CSET output lit a 40W flourescent tube to full illumination by
single
> end input. I am now planning to make this event more repeatable with
> less component failures, to drive other loads.
>
> Good result.
>
See the photo in the photo album

Hello.

A recent test of a circuit configuration gave a surprising and useful
output from the CSET. With a healthy, large green-tinged spark the
CSET output lit a 40W flourescent tube to full illumination by single
end input. I am now planning to make this event more repeatable with
less component failures, to drive other loads.

Good result.

----- Original Message -----

From: wally88ar

To: pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 9:05 PM

Subject: [pes_gmeg] What happened with GM?

Hi Sterling,
Do you have news from Gary Magratten?
Greetings
Wally

Hi Sterling,
Do you have news from Gary Magratten?
Greetings
Wally

Hi Sterling,
Do you have news from Gary Magratten?
Greetings
Wally

Has anyone tried the cd project using more than 4 magnets?  I want to
try one using a larger disk and either 8 or 16 magnets.  Right now I'm
working on a driver for the solenoids.

There is any one there who try the tube in is abnormal glow discharge?

sent to keep group from expiring

I,ve built the gray tube with a 7 /16 copper rod with silver tips and 3
collector grid of copper tube wish I make lot of hole in them.I would
like to send you some picture of it if you can tell me how !Is a micro
wave transformer of 2000 volts good for the begining of me project? If
not I have  a 4200 volts transformer .I made my solide state  pulsator
with a distributo of a cars and I will make the cap very soon.If you
have some sugestion I very apreciate it ! Is any one there that have
tested the tube and had come with good result? there is me email if
someone want to talk with me !! alex_menti@...  thx  all of
you ! !

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----- Original Message -----

From: stuandrews1618@...

To: pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:43 PM

Subject: Re: [pes_gmeg] New in

Hi. I'm having trouble with the transformer. What type is the best to use?

 

I only recently stumbled over ed gray and am interested in replicating his work. It is the pet project for me and my friend, im a working person and looking to having a securer future for everyone.

The Bedini replication project is listed here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG




----- Original Message -----
From: "thaelin" <thaelin@...>
To: <pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:30 AM
Subject: [pes_gmeg] New in


Hi all:
    Well first off will the group still be here? Have taken on the fun
of trying to further Eds work. Of all the stuff out there, I feel ed
had a viable idea, just had to continue it. Would like to know if
others are currently persueing it as well?

    Sterling:
      Finally bumped into you. I have been trying to find your web site
so I can take a look at it. I hear that you did a variation of the
Bedini motor that use opposing coils that  effectively sandwitched the
rotor between. Did you have luck with this slowing the drag of magnet
lock? I have a motor currently working but it has a definate hit every
time it goes by a magnet

Thanks all

Thaelin








Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi all:
    Well first off will the group still be here? Have taken on the fun
of trying to further Eds work. Of all the stuff out there, I feel ed
had a viable idea, just had to continue it. Would like to know if
others are currently persueing it as well?

    Sterling:
      Finally bumped into you. I have been trying to find your web site
so I can take a look at it. I hear that you did a variation of the
Bedini motor that use opposing coils that  effectively sandwitched the
rotor between. Did you have luck with this slowing the drag of magnet
lock? I have a motor currently working but it has a definate hit every
time it goes by a magnet

Thanks all

Thaelin

Hi Gary,

You gave me a lot to chomp on below.  No more questions for now.  I
seem to be able to generate a negative flow with a simple pulsing gap
circuit but I'm sure it can be vastly improved and will be over the
next few weeks/months.  You information gave me some more information
to think about.

It seems that the avalanche effect is working in the HV low impedance
region and we will get into the Radiant Effect later.  Some quick
measurements before I dismantled my Version 1 tube circuit indicated
the RE event to be positive voltage wise in relationship to the
avalanche.

The splitting the positive I now understand, it has finally clicked!

First, it is basically making a positive charge/potential on the cap
feeding the anode of the spark gap via. the power supply. "The
Positive" part of the split".   When the spark and avalanche occurs
concurrently, there is a bi-directional split of voltage and current
that results in a gain in the charging/current flow loop in the
battery.

To clarify, when the gap fires, and makes an arc, there is a nice
conventional pulse thru the cathode diode via the load limiting
resistor in the positive terminal of the battery, electrons flowing
back through the spark gap, via the discharging cap and back to the
negative terminal, this continues till the voltage drops below the
ability of the gap to continue to conduct.   At the same time because
of the spark that then turns into an arc, on the anode there is also
an excess of electrons from the avalanche and this is the "split" and
additive charge. This biases the diode on across the cap. The added
negative potential provides a current flow through the diode back
into the battery.  There is a summed pulse formed at the negative
terminal of the cap formed by the avalanche and added to the flow
from the cap, hence the term "split the positive".

If a pulse that is high current during the time period of the arc
based on the time constant of the cap. Via the battery is fed into a
low resistance set of coils in an efficient pulse motor, the
rotational energy is a plus in the equation.  The pulse current
thought high in value in the coils is virtually recycled back to the
battery therefore extremely high efficiency may be obtained.   If it
is then used to generate additional power that is an additional
plus.  Obviously there are a lot of little low current pulses in
multiple coils with the total power of the motor being quite high and
the actual real current used being quite low.  Hummmmmmm,  There is a
lot to consider here, a LOT of circuit work to be tried and
considered a lot of theory to be proved to be sure what we think we
have is what we have, what is happening vs. what we think is
happening.

Something else to consider would be using a multi Farad Cap for the
loop with energy added/subtracted as needed to maintain the loop from
an isolated battery, this battery charged by the output of the motor
via an alternator.  This would be more efficient as the battery is an
electrochemical device while the cap would be a totally charge driven
storage unit, hence more efficient in the recycling of the electron
energy.

Thanks for all the info Gary.

Ben


----- Original Message -----
From: Margaret Magratten
To: Ben Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: Sparks and Arcs


Dear Ben,
        " The time crossing of positive ions is of the order of
100 times that of the electrons. For ordinary gaps the time
of crossing of positive ions does not fall very much below
10(-5) seconds for the usual gaps used."
         " For sparks about atmospheric pressure the formative
time lags wee nearly 10(-7) sec. rather than 10(-5)."

         " In his theory, Schade does not define the value which
his current must reach before space charges can cause the
appearance of the spark. He says, however, that it does not
appear until currents of the order of 10(-5) ampere or more are
reached."      L&M

        Once you reach arc, there is a conducting two way plasma
that significantly lowers the resistance to allow for the conduction
of the current. See Plasma and Electric Arcs. I find McGraw Hill's
Scientific Encyclopedia to be very useful.
        Only sparks from pulsed dc give the desired effect of
Avalanche.

        The "driver circuit" for switching is a simple 555 timer
circuit. I think I have a full report on the driver circuit. I can
send it to
you.
        If you can get your hands on an old Radar book, they have
great pulsed dc circuits and driver circuits. Most are tube
but the 'what and how to' is all there. That's where Gray was
trained in the military, radar and electronics.

       Attached is an essay on transient voltages and transient
currents.
I hope will be helpful.

       In the Gray Motor Patent please locate the spark gap on
the circuit schematic. Trace the the current path through the choke
to the secondary of the transformer to ground common
which is the negative terminal of the battery.
When the avalanche process is completed, the burst of
electrons enter the anode of the spark gap. These excess
electrons seek equilibrium in the now open circuit. The high
density pushes the electrons back into the battery.

       The very inetersting thing about Gray's Motor Circuit is that if
you trace the loop it begins with the negative terminal of the
battery and ends with the negetive terminal of the battery. The loop
is
isolated by the transformer. The current from the negative terminal
is "split into an AC wave form" by the primary of the transformer,
then rectified to charge the capacitor. Perhaps this is what is ment
by "splitting the positive" from the wave form to provide a positive
potential to charge the capacitor that originated from straight dc
from
the neg. terminal of the battery!

      Avalanche only occurs between the cathode and anode
tip in the pathway of the spark gap and some surrounding space.
The means by which power is transfered to the two copper
collection plates is by the "Radiant Event".  We can cover that later.

      The step by step development of spark is covered
extensively in L&M's work , too much to properly address
in an email.

       The diode or triode prevents the avalanche from being
absorbed by the cathode once the pulse ceases. A one way path
to the anode for the current.

         Most other researchers all agree that the inductive kick
comes from the capacitor discharge. The initial
high discharge of current at the optimum time. David Waggoneer
has a video of the powerful discharge blowing two
HV electromagnets apart.  Douglas Konzen has good
oscilliscope shoots on his report. See Geof Egel's
"Energy 21 " site.

        I was trying to design a circuit that ran the avalanche through
the electromagnets. Have not had the time to follow through.
I am scheduled out for 6 months to a year.

        Share this with PES. I hope they decide to alot you the
money to build a HV pulsed dc motor and run proper testing.
Avalanche is part of the picture. The whole picture includes
Avalanche, the Radiant Event, Back EMF to recharge the
additional batteries, & The use of an optimum pulse at the optimum
time
from the capacitor.

       Hope this helps.                              GM

Hi all

Yikes! Whoops!  I meant this letter below to be a personal email reply  to
SterlingA, but I screwed up and replied to him from a post of his in my
inbox from this PES group!  duh...sorry about that...now you all know I am
applying for a grant I heard about for $5000 from PES.....sorry again it was
mistake....glad I didnt talk bad about anyone behind their back in it!


Anyways, the other post about the the plywood GRAY motor was meant to go
direct here, (it was copied from my yahoo group EVGRAY) so go ahead and read
that one....


ciaoKonehead




>From: "Douglas L. Konzen" <konehead@...>
>Reply-To: pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com
>To: pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [pes_gmeg] Engineering Report Arrives
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:20:25 -0700
>
>Hi Sterling
>
>
>Now that you are now mentioning taking the $5000 grant machine "to market"
>as a goal,. that changes things...I was thinking what I could do with
>$5000
>put into a dramatic ultimate-Muller machine super demonstrator with monster
>magnets and stainless steel construciton, (Mullers would be proud) But if
>you want something to be produced worldwide, the Muller-based machine might
>be too expensive in the $700 magnet costs, all the precision steel
>machioning,  and eventual manufacture license..
>They only hold patents on solid  black sand cores, (their bklack sand
>source
>secret)  and also their computerized switching system, nothing else that I
>know of.  Neither of these need to be employed in anything I would make
>anyways.
>
>Consider also this motor-generator I have already built (not a Muller
>deisgn) and tested (the motor part of it)
>
>the motor half of it runs on MINUS 20ma: (cant go wrong with that)
>
>http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/selfrunTF.JPG
>http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/2selfrunTF.JPG
>http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/3selfrunTF.JPG
>
>Also I am making a very inexpensive and already testing a large motor-gen
>meant for the  "3rd world"; an easy to make GRAY -type motor, for a group
>in
>Croatia. I can send pictures and info on that too but dont have them handy
>right now...
>
>I also make motors that are of my own design, not Muller, not Adams, not
>GRAY, but the "konehead" motor - I have showed these and conducted
>workshops
>too building them over the years. (Twice for Elswick conferences in Phoenix
>and Sacramento,, once at Keelynet conference and a workshop in Canada where
>25 people made 12 motors too - also this motor design got me flown to
>Malloves lab in NH as it ran on batteries and charged the batteries while
>it
>runs for two days in a video) I have had info on this type motor up on the
>web for about five years.
>
>Anywas my idea is to still keep the inventor himself secret, but the simple
>construciton techniques and performance of the machine 100% public in your
>PES project.
>
>ciaoK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@...>
> >Reply-To: pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com
> >To: "PES Gray Motor Open Sourcing e-group" <pes_gmeg@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [pes_gmeg] Engineering Report Arrives
> >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:31:14 -0600
> >
> >
> >Engineering Report Arrives at PES from Gary - contains extensive
> >information
> >about assembly, sketches.  Additional information about test results has
> >been requested.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hi all

Here are 4 small JPG photos below of an inexpensive low-voltage
Gray/Muller motor I call it....there are no magnets in this motor
design, so that makes it a GRAY motor in my book, but the coils and
cores are arranged "axial" in the manner of a Muller side-saddle type
motor, which would have an even number of Pmagnets N-S in the rotor,
and an odd number of stator coils if it was really a Mullermotor.

This motor however has just two cores (4 coils) mounted in the 12"
wide and 1" thick white cutting-board plastic flywheel/rotor.
All the cores are 1/2" round welding-rod steel....

There are quite thick winds over the cores, about 16GA thick magnetic
wire, and only two layers of winds on the core....the wind is pulled
back to the rear of the core after the first wind, and then wound in
same direction as the first layer along the core for the 2nd layer
("directional")

The idea for the two rotating rotor-cores, is to wind the magnetic
wire around each side of the welding rod ironcores mounted "through"
the flywheel in the same direction; and so the two coils wound on
each side the rotor will imitate the rotor-coils actually being a
large permanet magnet, with N on one end, and S on the other of the
two rotor-cores.

I found that for some reason, the power from this motor (shaftpower
at least) is much stronger in attractive mode than repulsive.
Usually they are about equal in torque/power, and the classic-GRAY
scheme is repulsive coil-coil power, but in this motor the
attractive "implosion" of the three coils and two cores (a single
rotor core and two stator cores on each side) makes for over twice
the shaft-power it seems than the repulsive mode.  Probably at higher
voltage inputs, this might change - I have only tested this motor at
12 and 24V.  It draws a lot of amps, (3 to 5) but I have ways of
reducing this down to 1A or mabye 500ma later on (Pmagnets and short
pulse width)...

The test I want this motor to perform first is to be a high-amperage
sucker of a pulsemotor in a "split-the postive" circuit, where three
batteries in series for 36V run the motor, while three others
inparalell at 12V receive a charge from being in series from the OUT
of the motor to the IN of the NEG side of the 36V stack. Then after
that test, a diode recovery circuit will be run into those charge
batteries, or 3 more charge batteries to see how much  that improves
things compared to having no recovery circuit at all...Rain
jsutposted a circuit here a few days ago that combinse the two I want
to try out...

so this is my testing work coming up - once all that is finished,
then I'll add neomagnets to this design (transforming it into a
GRAY/MULLER/KONEHEAD motor then(!))and the rotational-position of
these added permanent magnets, which will be mounted right next to
the stator coils in each coil bank, and will be right "after" the
coil against coil power stroke (permanent magnet flux bridges I call
them)... So this means 12 magnets will be added later on...but there
will be added magnets only just next to the statorcoils, the rotor
will stay the same. I can also wind pickup winds around these
Pmagnets too, for more electtrical power form it wiht no extra draw
downfall (these winds might be OU just themselves)

I want to compare classic GRAY-power, compared to GRAY power with
permanent magnets added with this motor, and hopefullly it could be
something easily reproduced in any country in the world - it would be
nice if it performs jsut as good without the Pmagnets as with them,
(it wont I;ll bet) then the world wouldnt have to depend on China for
Neobydimium magnets in the future for OU motor stuff......this is
what the split-the-positive circuit will do - "negate" the heavy amps-
draw becasue a charging battery stack always receives the same amsp
into it as the amps drawn into the motor, so more amps-draw for more
shaft power wont really matter since more amps IN means more amps OUT
(and into charge stack).

Anyways here it is below in the links - roller-brush commutators are
not mounted in pictures - in a nutshell, it is a simple design of  2
rotor cores against 6 stator core positions (12 stator cores total)
the motor will be firng only 6 times a revolution...
This is the chassis from the "Croatian 12 vs 11 GRAY motor" that I
posted about a month or so ago here...I made it simpler in design
with only 14 coils to wind instead of 34... and am not doing the odd
rotorcoils vs even statorcoils thing with it now.
Anyone can make one of these for around $50 or $75 in parts from a
hardware store like Home Depot (they have welding rod and even will
sell the plywood coil banks already cut round for $5 or so) - the 12
neo magnets not shown mounted yet would be extra cost later on....

http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/1plyG.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/2plyG.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/3plyG.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/4plyG.JPG

ciaoK