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#1210 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: Fleet software question
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I am looking for fleet maintenance software for propane and oil trucks.
I want to be able to track registrations, stickers, VK's, Hydro's, fire ext. as
well as preventative maintenance and repairs.
Alerts for due items would be a great feature, as well as being able to add or
customize fields.

Anyone using software that they would recommend that I should explore?


Thanks,

Scott

#1209 From: "Dan" <va_gasman@...>
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:07 am
Subject: I Need A J-O-B
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Group!!! I need a job in Virginia! Does anybody in the group have
any conections or contacts? I have a chance to get my house back!!!
Please Help If possible

#1208 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:01 pm
Subject: Help Wanted, OIL & PROPANE SERVICE TECHNICIAN
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OIL & PROPANE SERVICE TECHNICIAN
Seacoast NH, Southern Maine

Growth oriented company has an immediate, full-time opening for an
experienced Oil and LP Installation and Service Technician.  Position
provides excellent pay and benefits including medical, dental, 401(k)
with company match, life insurance, short-term and long-term
disability insurance.  Generous vacation plan and holidays provided.
Company also strongly encourages trade-related education training.
Qualified candidates must possess an unrestricted CDL Class B with
Hazmat endorsement, and possess Oil and gas licenses as required in
ME and NH and at least 3 years of violation-free driving.  Candidates
will be required to pass a pre-employment DOT physical and drug
screen.  On Call rotation is required.

Qualified candidates, please submit your resume to Scott Gaudet,
District Manager, EnergyUSA Propane/H&H Oil and Gas, 70 Route 236,
Kittery, ME 03904; Fax:  207-451-9680; or e-mail:
sgaudet@...

EnergyUSA Propane is an equal opportunity employer committed to
workforce diversity

#1207 From: "Dan" <va_gasman@...>
Date: Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:25 am
Subject: The Song Is Over.
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I thought I would drop a line to say that I have been forced out of
business by the (Non) Recession the country is in. as of this friday I
am bankrupt. I would like to put out there that we have 2 trucks for
sale and large amount of tools of the trade to get rid of.
    I have applied at numerous LP companies online and in person to not
get one response! NOTHING! I find this amazing for a guy who has 20 +
Years in the business.
    I did land a job (THANK GOD!) in New Hampshire. Working for the
State Fire Marshals Office as a mechanical inspector / Investigator.
But I have been destroyed financially and will hurt for years.

#1206 From: "ferrellgas_driver" <ferrellgas_driver@...>
Date: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:44 pm
Subject: TWO NEW PROPANE EMPLOYMENT SITES
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I was surfin the web and came across these two site kinda cool we now
have alot of ways to find our jobs,
http://www.propanecareers.com
&
http://www.propanejobs.com

Check them out...

#1205 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Update 3-18 Atlanta
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From NPGA Website;

Update 3/18/08:  The National Propane Gas Association remains in direct
contact with the Georgia World Congress Center and the city of Atlanta
as their assessment of the storm damage continues.  The Georgia World
Congress Center is in the process of reviewing contractor assessments
of the damages and the center expects to make its determinations on the
safety and security of the facility within a 24 - 48 hour period. NPGA
will continue to post updates to this website as additional information
is received.  At this time, NPGA is committed to holding the 2008
Southeastern Convention & International Propane Expo as scheduled. We
appreciate your patience and understanding during this time.

#1204 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:47 pm
Subject: Update 3-17 Atlanta hit by tornado last night.
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This from NPGA,
  ATLANTA UPDATE
On Friday, March 14, 2008, a tornado swept through downtown Atlanta
damaging several buildings in and around Centennial Olympic Park,
including the Georgia World Congress Center and the Omni at CNN Center.
The National Propane Gas Association is in contact with the city of
Atlanta and is awaiting an update on the extent of the damages and any
possible impact on the upcoming Southeastern Convention & International
Propane Expo. NPGA will continue to update this website as we receive
additional details from the city of Atlanta.

Update 3/17/2008:  The National Propane Gas Association has been
advised by the Georgia World Congress Center that they are continuing
assessment of the building.

This from the GWCC,
Welcome to the Georgia World Congress Center
March 17 Update

Safety and security remain top priorities for the Georgia World
Congress Center Authority. Officials announced on Sunday that all
events on campus through Friday, March 21 would be canceled.
The business offices at the Georgia World Congress Center, Georgia Dome
and Centennial Olympic Park are open during regular business hours, but
the facilities are not open to the public because there are no
scheduled events.
We will continually update this site as we receive specific show
information.

Latest Show Information:

The Center for Disease Control Job Fair scheduled for March 17 has been
postponed. For additional information please call 1-888-CDC-HIRE or
visit www.cdc.gov/employment.

Home Show exhibitors can call the show office beginning at 9 a.m.
Monday, March 17 at 770-998-9800 to schedule your move out. Please call
before coming to the Georgia World Congress Center.

A move out update will be available at 5 p.m. on Monday, March 17 for
Hinman Dental Exhibitors and SEC Fan Fare exhibitors.

The Big South Qualifier will not be held at the Georgia World Congress
Center due to storm damage. We are working with Big South to relocate
the event. Please check their Web site, www.bigsouth.us, for updates.

The following shows have been canceled or postponed:

The Center for Disease Control Job Fair - 3/17
The Atlanta Fund Raising Summit - 3/18
Sprint Wireless - 3/18-19
Georgia Traditional Manufacture Association - 3/19
The GreenLine Study/ Central Atlanta Progress - 3/19
Delta Sigma Theta Alumni Step Competition - 3/22-23




--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
<sgaudet1@...> wrote:
>
> Hopefully they will get the area back in shape before the
Southeastern
> Convention in less then two weeks.
> The Omni and CNN center got hit pretty hard. The GWCC got some damage
> as well.
> Luckily so far no one was reported killed, pretty amazing considering
> the amount of glass and debris they showed on the news thrown around.
> Two years ago there were tornados just outside Atlanta during the
> convention.
>
> When you hear about tornado's I think Kansas and the midwest states,
> not Georgia.
> Anyone from the area know if this is common in Atlanta?
>

#1203 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:30 pm
Subject: Atlanta hit by tornado last night.
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Hopefully they will get the area back in shape before the Southeastern
Convention in less then two weeks.
The Omni and CNN center got hit pretty hard. The GWCC got some damage
as well.
Luckily so far no one was reported killed, pretty amazing considering
the amount of glass and debris they showed on the news thrown around.
Two years ago there were tornados just outside Atlanta during the
convention.

When you hear about tornado's I think Kansas and the midwest states,
not Georgia.
Anyone from the area know if this is common in Atlanta?

#1202 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:03 pm
Subject: Hey Dan the gas man....
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If you are still slow, call Rinnai and tell them you will take care of
fixing all of them......  ;)

#1201 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: Need an OPD valve for a 6lb aluminum Worthing...
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What is the date code on the tank?


--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "jacques_bilinski"
<jacques_bilinski@...> wrote:
>
> These tanks come new with an OPD valve, so if possible I'd like the
> replacement to be OPD. From what I've determined I need a sherwood
> inline OPD valve, 4.8" dip tube length, part PVE3349PDLG-404. I'm
still
> trying to source one of these.
>

#1200 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:00 pm
Subject: Rinnai Recall Today, 431 & 556, 52,000 units!!
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Re-call website here, http://www.wallfurnacerecall.com/models.htm

I love the way they say "The recall includes only those units
manufactured from February 2000 through December 2007".

Details,




Rinnai Recalls Wall Furnaces Due to Carbon Monoxide
Hazard

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in
cooperation with the firm named below, today announced a voluntary
recall of the following consumer product. Consumers should stop
using recalled products immediately unless otherwise instructed. (To
access color photos of the following recalled products, see CPSC's
Web site at www.cpsc.gov.)

Name of Product: Direct-Vent Wall Furnaces, Models RHFE 431 and RHFE
556

Units: About 52,000

Manufacturer: Rinnai America Corp., of Peachtree City, Ga.
Hazard: A gasket in the unit can fail, posing a risk of poisonous
carbon monoxide gas leaking into the home.

Incidents/Injuries: Rinnai has received 11 reports of carbon
monoxide leaking from the furnace. No injuries have been reported.

Description: The recall involves Rinnai EnergySaver Direct-Vent Wall
Furnaces, Models RHFE 431 and RHFE 556.  They are either natural gas
or LP gas (propane) fueled.  The following model numbers are
included in the recall:

Model RHFE-431
  FAIII-N
  FAIII-P


  WTA-N
  WTA-P


  WTA-72B-N
  WTA-76B-N





Model RHFE-556
  FAIII-N
  FAIII-P


  WTA-N
  WTA-P


The model number is printed on the top of the rating plate located
on the right side of the unit.  The recall includes only those units
manufactured from February 2000 through December 2007.  The
manufacturing date code is the first four digits of the serial
number, written as YY MM, and is located at the bottom of the rating
plate.

Sold through: Wholesale distributors nationwide to contractors and
dealers from February 2000 through December 2007 for between $1,600
and $1,900.

Manufactured in: Japan

Remedy: Consumers should stop using the furnace immediately and
contact the firm to arrange for the installation of a free repair
kit.

Consumer Contact: For additional information, contact Rinnai toll-
free at (866) 746-8344 anytime, or visit the firm's Web site at
www.wallfurnacerecall.com.

#1199 From: "jacques_bilinski" <jacques_bilinski@...>
Date: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: Need an OPD valve for a 6lb aluminum Worthing...
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These tanks come new with an OPD valve, so if possible I'd like the
replacement to be OPD. From what I've determined I need a sherwood
inline OPD valve, 4.8" dip tube length, part PVE3349PDLG-404. I'm still
trying to source one of these.

#1198 From: ShdwDreamr@...
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: Need an OPD valve for a 6lb aluminum Worthing...
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Double check the code book, because I do not believe these size tanks require an OPD valve.  Try also Ray Murray's website if I am wrong.
 
Loren




Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.

#1197 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Need an OPD valve for a 6lb aluminum Worthington Cylinder
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I would bring the tank to one of your local propane suppliers (call
first to see if they re-certify tanks), if it is non-opd, it is
probably out of test date as well, that you can not do yourself.

Scott

--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "jacques_bilinski"
<jacques_bilinski@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody know where I can order one of these?  This cylinder is tall
and
> narrow so regular OPD valves won't work because there is nt enough
room
> for the float arm.
>

#1196 From: "jacques_bilinski" <jacques_bilinski@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:54 am
Subject: Need an OPD valve for a 6lb aluminum Worthington Cylinder
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Anybody know where I can order one of these?  This cylinder is tall and
narrow so regular OPD valves won't work because there is nt enough room
for the float arm.

#1195 From: "ferrellgas_driver" <ferrellgas_driver@...>
Date: Fri Feb 8, 2008 4:14 am
Subject: Re: VEHICLE PROPANE CONVERTION
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Contact your local Schwan's company and see who is doing there trucks...
Charlie

--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <n1mft@...>
wrote:
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO THERE MIGHT BE IN THE
> MASS.,CT,VT,NEW HANPSHIRE AREA WHO MIGHT DO PROPANE CONVERTIONS ON
> TRUCKS?
> I HAVE TALKED TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE EITHER IN THE PROPANE
> BUSINESS,DISTRIBUTORS,ETC. AND NOWHERE ARE ANY RESOUCES FOR THIS TYPE
> OF CONVERTION.
> I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE AND HAVE FOUND COMPANYS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF
WORK
> IN ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ALSO IN CANADA.
> IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE CONTININTAL UNITED STATES WHO DOES THIS TYPE
> OF WORK?
>

#1194 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:08 pm
Subject: ADD's systems
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Anyone using ADDS?
Do you use publication pricing?

I have a few questions I can not get any good answers from ADDs on.

Thanks,
Scott

#1192 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Group's been dead, anybody else still alive?
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I am planning on going to Atlanta, I have my plane tickets already,
and a hotel reserved. I'm arriving Friday night and leaving Tuesday
morning.
Maybe I will see you down there this year.


--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, RICHARD STRYCHARZ
SR <n1mft@...> wrote:
>
> HI SCOTT: I GUESS WITHOUT "THE GASMAN" AROUND NO ONE ELSE IS ON
LINE. I LIKED IT WHEN IN THE OLD DAYS THERE WAS MORE ABOUT TECHNICAL
ISSUES OF THE PROPANE BUSINESS,O WELL!
>   ARE YOU PLANNING TO GO TO ATLANTA?
>
> Scott <sgaudet1@...> wrote:
>           How is everyone doing?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?  Find them fast with
Yahoo! Search.
>

#1191 From: "Dan" <va_gasman@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:00 pm
Subject: Still Breating,,,,
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I am still around! Just going through a VERY tough year! It is hard
to think about anything else but what has happened in the last year. I
am SORRY to have fallen off the boards of the group I started in 2003.
Pray for me that something changes VERY SOON for me.

#1190 From: "lpgnh3" <lpgnh3@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Group's been dead, anybody else still alive?
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Hi Scott,
I know I fell off the radar for a while, but I'm back better then ever.
Things are going great in my world, I hope things are going well for
everyone else.

Mark


--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
<sgaudet1@...> wrote:
>
> How is everyone doing?
>

#1189 From: RICHARD STRYCHARZ SR <n1mft@...>
Date: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:25 am
Subject: Re: Group's been dead, anybody else still alive?
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HI SCOTT: I GUESS WITHOUT "THE GASMAN" AROUND NO ONE ELSE IS ON LINE. I LIKED IT WHEN IN THE OLD DAYS THERE WAS MORE ABOUT TECHNICAL ISSUES OF THE PROPANE BUSINESS,O WELL!
ARE YOU PLANNING TO GO TO ATLANTA?

Scott <sgaudet1@...> wrote:
How is everyone doing?



Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

#1188 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:00 am
Subject: Group's been dead, anybody else still alive?
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How is everyone doing?

#1187 From: "lpgnh3" <lpgnh3@...>
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:31 am
Subject: Re: Reseller hit by car!!
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Wow!
Proof once again of the dangerous, and unpredictable nature of propane.


>
> Car hits reseller,check out Adrian @ Mar-Gas photo album . I have
know
> idea why i put them there but.......
>

#1186 From: "ferrellgas_driver" <ferrellgas_driver@...>
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:50 am
Subject: Reseller hit by car!!
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Car hits reseller,check out Adrian @ Mar-Gas photo album . I have know
idea why i put them there but.......

#1184 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: When will the prices level off or drop????
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Loren,

WOW, Pretty in depth response!
I will have to sit back and digest it all for a little while :)

Any other thoughts or reply's?

--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, ShdwDreamr@...
wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
>     The traders, for the most part, are comprised of  hedge fund
managers,
> large nations like China, and institutional buyers like our
insurance
> companies.  What sees its way to paper is reality on the  ground.
Our demand is
> increasing and you are seeing the cusp of the global  price war
between our nation
> and the likes of China and India.  Until we  begin to dig our own
wells and
> cease to lean on the crutch of crude oil  refinement, the prices
are going to go
> higher.
>
>     Amity Shlaes recently wrote a book called, The  Forgotten Man
about the
> encroachment of socialism and how it exacerbated and  extended the
Great
> Depression.  Milton Friedman also wrote a book in the  1960's
called Capitalism and
> Freedom, which may help you get your head  and heart around
today's woes.
>
>     Frankly, since before the market hit 14,000 I  foresaw this
happening.
> People are living in houses made of cards in a  nation built on
debt and IOU's.
>  If the socialist medical system introduced  by Hillary and her
allies come
> to fruition, it will cost, on their estimation,  as much as it
costs to run 6
> of the Federal cabinet-level departments  (including Homeland
Security).  And
> just as FDR ran the struggling economy  into the ground with
increased
> government spending and taxation of income, so we  are headed in
the same direction.
>
>     It was needful to lower the discount rate, but then  our
banking industry
> went to the discount window like a bunch of jonesing  crack-whores
and pulled
> out more money.  And with this Sub-prime mortgage  bail out as
introduced by
> President Bush, it was only inevitable that the  interest rates
would be cut.
> Instead of being punished by market forces,  we are rewarding the
foolish and
> risky behavior of those who are now losing  their homes.  Lowering
the rates
> will bump the market a slight bit, but it  will come back with
larger negative
> force as false confidence leads people to  rack up more debt,
continuing the
> addictive cycle.
>
>     There were runs on the bank in Great Britain my  friend.  We
are one
> incident away from total collapse of the dollar  world-wide.  This
may be the
> incident:
> _Glenn  Beck - The Perfect Day - Part Three - American Truckers at
War_
>
(http://www.d1034169.dotsterhost.com/applications/serendipity/archive
s/697-Glenn-Bec
> k-The-Perfect-Day-Part-Three.html)     All I can say is I hope we
all know
> how to subsistence farm and are able  to can and preserve like our
grandparents.
>  The Boomers think they can  just spend and spend and wait for
Uncle Sam to
> bail them out if they get  stuck.  But reality is going to be the
payback.
>
>
>     History is repeating itself in spades.   Economically, we are
in the late
> 1920's.  On the world stage, we are in the  Fall of 1939 with
Iran.  And we
> are in the heat of the Cold War again with  China, Russia, Cuba,
and Venezuela
> (all who have an hand in world trade and oil  supplies).  Finally,
here in the
> States, we are in an LSD flashback of the  late 1960's and early
1970's,
> thinking we are fighting a war in which we can  quickly retreat
and cower and lick
> our wounds, instead of World War III,  Act I, Scene I.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com
>

#1183 From: "Richard KD1XP" <kd1xp@...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: VEHICLE PROPANE CONVERTION
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Hello Scott, we, meaning my father and I (the one who posted this) worked
with Motor on our last truck.  Our bobtail, he did the propane conversion,
it was the last one he was ever going to do, (complete conversion).  So,
my father was asking aside from him, is there anyone else.  Will check out
those links.


On Fri, September 21, 2007 6:37 am, Scott wrote:
> I should have re-read my reply before posting! I wish the group
> posting had spell check ;)
>
> --- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
> <sgaudet1@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Are you looking to donvert a new truck, or older truck?
>> I would see if "Motor" from Motorhead Lp Repair White River
>> Junction, VT 05001 Phone: (802) 295-0856, may be able to steer you
>> in the right direction.
>>
>> You may also want to try http://www.fireemup.com/ or
>> http://www.cleanfuelusa.com/
>>
>>
>> Both have systems, but only for specific vehicles due to EPA
>> regulations. Eastern Propane converted 8 of the service trucks, story
>> here http://www.eastern.com/our-company/News-Events/show-news-
>>
> event.aspx?
>> id=14 , maybe they gave give you some insight as well.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> --- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
>> <n1mft@> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO THERE MIGHT BE IN THE
>>> MASS.,CT,VT,NEW HANPSHIRE AREA WHO MIGHT DO PROPANE CONVERTIONS
>>>
> ON
>
>>> TRUCKS?
>>> I HAVE TALKED TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE EITHER IN THE PROPANE
>>> BUSINESS,DISTRIBUTORS,ETC. AND NOWHERE ARE ANY RESOUCES FOR THIS
>>>
>> TYPE
>>
>>> OF CONVERTION.
>>> I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE AND HAVE FOUND COMPANYS THAT DO THIS TYPE
>>>
> OF
>
>> WORK
>>
>>> IN ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ALSO IN CANADA.
>>> IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE CONTININTAL UNITED STATES WHO DOES THIS
>>>
>> TYPE
>>
>>> OF WORK?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>


Richard W. Strycharz Jr.

KD1XP

Main websites:

http://www.kd1xp.org

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Franklin_Hampshire_County_Scanning

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RLX

Repeaters:

53.350 - PL 71.9/71.9
143.130 - PL 173.8/123.0
442.200 + PL 173.8/173.8
443.450 + PL 173.8/173.8

442.200 and 443.450 are linked

Amateur Radio Club: KB1NTK

GMRS Station: WQHH888

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http://www.walterspropane.com

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#1182 From: ShdwDreamr@...
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: When will the prices level off or drop????
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Scott,
 
    The traders, for the most part, are comprised of hedge fund managers, large nations like China, and institutional buyers like our insurance companies.  What sees its way to paper is reality on the ground.  Our demand is increasing and you are seeing the cusp of the global price war between our nation and the likes of China and India.  Until we begin to dig our own wells and cease to lean on the crutch of crude oil refinement, the prices are going to go higher.
 
    Amity Shlaes recently wrote a book called, The Forgotten Man about the encroachment of socialism and how it exacerbated and extended the Great Depression.  Milton Friedman also wrote a book in the 1960's called Capitalism and Freedom, which may help you get your head and heart around today's woes. 
 
    Frankly, since before the market hit 14,000 I foresaw this happening.  People are living in houses made of cards in a nation built on debt and IOU's.  If the socialist medical system introduced by Hillary and her allies come to fruition, it will cost, on their estimation, as much as it costs to run 6 of the Federal cabinet-level departments (including Homeland Security).  And just as FDR ran the struggling economy into the ground with increased government spending and taxation of income, so we are headed in the same direction.
 
    It was needful to lower the discount rate, but then our banking industry went to the discount window like a bunch of jonesing crack-whores and pulled out more money.  And with this Sub-prime mortgage bail out as introduced by President Bush, it was only inevitable that the interest rates would be cut.  Instead of being punished by market forces, we are rewarding the foolish and risky behavior of those who are now losing their homes.  Lowering the rates will bump the market a slight bit, but it will come back with larger negative force as false confidence leads people to rack up more debt, continuing the addictive cycle. 
 
    There were runs on the bank in Great Britain my friend.  We are one incident away from total collapse of the dollar world-wide.  This may be the incident: 
Glenn Beck - The Perfect Day - Part Three - American Truckers at War   All I can say is I hope we all know how to subsistence farm and are able to can and preserve like our grandparents.  The Boomers think they can just spend and spend and wait for Uncle Sam to bail them out if they get stuck.  But reality is going to be the payback.
 
    History is repeating itself in spades.  Economically, we are in the late 1920's.  On the world stage, we are in the Fall of 1939 with Iran.  And we are in the heat of the Cold War again with China, Russia, Cuba, and Venezuela (all who have an hand in world trade and oil supplies).  Finally, here in the States, we are in an LSD flashback of the late 1960's and early 1970's, thinking we are fighting a war in which we can quickly retreat and cower and lick our wounds, instead of World War III, Act I, Scene I.
 
Loren




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#1181 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:37 am
Subject: Re: VEHICLE PROPANE CONVERTION
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I should have re-read my reply before posting! I wish the group
posting had spell check ;)

--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Scott"
<sgaudet1@...> wrote:
>
> Are you looking to donvert a new truck, or older truck?
> I would see if "Motor" from Motorhead Lp Repair White River
> Junction, VT 05001 Phone: (802) 295-0856, may be able to steer you
> in the right direction.
>
> You may also want to try http://www.fireemup.com/ or
> http://www.cleanfuelusa.com/
>
> Both have systems, but only for specific vehicles due to EPA
> regulations.
> Eastern Propane converted 8 of the service trucks, story here
> http://www.eastern.com/our-company/News-Events/show-news-
event.aspx?
> id=14 , maybe they gave give you some insight as well.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
> <n1mft@> wrote:
> >
> > DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO THERE MIGHT BE IN THE
> > MASS.,CT,VT,NEW HANPSHIRE AREA WHO MIGHT DO PROPANE CONVERTIONS
ON
> > TRUCKS?
> > I HAVE TALKED TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE EITHER IN THE PROPANE
> > BUSINESS,DISTRIBUTORS,ETC. AND NOWHERE ARE ANY RESOUCES FOR THIS
> TYPE
> > OF CONVERTION.
> > I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE AND HAVE FOUND COMPANYS THAT DO THIS TYPE
OF
> WORK
> > IN ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ALSO IN CANADA.
> > IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE CONTININTAL UNITED STATES WHO DOES THIS
> TYPE
> > OF WORK?
> >
>

#1180 From: "Scott" <sgaudet1@...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:27 am
Subject: Re: VEHICLE PROPANE CONVERTION
sgaudet1
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Are you looking to donvert a new truck, or older truck?
I would see if "Motor" from Motorhead Lp Repair White River
Junction, VT 05001 Phone: (802) 295-0856, may be able to steer you
in the right direction.

You may also want to try http://www.fireemup.com/ or
http://www.cleanfuelusa.com/

Both have systems, but only for specific vehicles due to EPA
regulations.
Eastern Propane converted 8 of the service trucks, story here
http://www.eastern.com/our-company/News-Events/show-news-event.aspx?
id=14 , maybe they gave give you some insight as well.

Hope this helps.

Scott

--- In propane_gas_workers_group@yahoogroups.com, "Richard"
<n1mft@...> wrote:
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO THERE MIGHT BE IN THE
> MASS.,CT,VT,NEW HANPSHIRE AREA WHO MIGHT DO PROPANE CONVERTIONS ON
> TRUCKS?
> I HAVE TALKED TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE EITHER IN THE PROPANE
> BUSINESS,DISTRIBUTORS,ETC. AND NOWHERE ARE ANY RESOUCES FOR THIS
TYPE
> OF CONVERTION.
> I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE AND HAVE FOUND COMPANYS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF
WORK
> IN ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ALSO IN CANADA.
> IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE CONTININTAL UNITED STATES WHO DOES THIS
TYPE
> OF WORK?
>

#1179 From: "Richard" <n1mft@...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:53 am
Subject: VEHICLE PROPANE CONVERTION
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DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHO THERE MIGHT BE IN THE
MASS.,CT,VT,NEW HANPSHIRE AREA WHO MIGHT DO PROPANE CONVERTIONS ON
TRUCKS?
I HAVE TALKED TO ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE EITHER IN THE PROPANE
BUSINESS,DISTRIBUTORS,ETC. AND NOWHERE ARE ANY RESOUCES FOR THIS TYPE
OF CONVERTION.
I HAVE LOOKED ON LINE AND HAVE FOUND COMPANYS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK
IN ALL DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ALSO IN CANADA.
IS THERE ANYWHERE IN THE CONTININTAL UNITED STATES WHO DOES THIS TYPE
OF WORK?

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