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#30 From: "Robin J Gibbons" <rgibbons@...>
Date: Sun Apr 9, 2006 4:40 am
Subject: Explosion in number of auctions huochemi
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How come we suddenly have all these live auctions? Some decent
material which makes one wodner if the less regular ones are based
around selling someone's collection.
RJG

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#29 From: Steve Vaughan <hst43029@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:25 pm
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I think it's important to remember that any item is 'worth' what somebody is willing to pay for it. I am a relative newcomer to the hobby but it's very easy to do research now with the wide availability of the Internet. My particular interest is in HST nameplates and it's very easy to find a history of those that have sold in the past.

I think buying as an investment is a very dangerous game - I buy because of a love of the type of train. I'm not really bothered if prices drop in the future as I would be very very reluctant to ever part with those plates that I have but it would be nice to recover my expenditure if ever I sold my plates - nobody likes to lose money do they?!

I wonder if the high prices paid a few years ago are stiffling the hobby a little at the moment - for example: 12 months ago a vendor at Quorn had the nameplate 'Worshipful Company of Carmen' on his stall. On enquiring he wanted �2700. A price miles above the average price for such a nameplate (I'd have considered �1500 a reasonable price). This nameplate has since appeared twice at Solent Auctions and failed to meet the reserve. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that the vendor paid over the top prices for it and is now in a position where he cannot sell it to break even. If this is the case are items going to be put away until the market regains previous levels or are dealers / collectors willing to take a loss on their items?

Regards to all,

Steve

Well, I have only looked at the web site, and was quite surprised at how
prices in general seem to have dropped.
Interestingly, there was a plate I sold there last year for 1000 pounds,
that only made 750...Someone will be pissed off !

Re, the interest side of things, I have mainly collected smaller items, like
builders plates and whistles, from locos I have been associated with, i.e..
Industrial / Army ( W.D.) locomotives, and Beyer Garratts.
I would love a Bulleid nameplate, but I can't afford one. Interestingly, I
could not afford one when they were first being sold off in the 1960's for
15 pounds either !
It is all relative to how much you are earning at the time...5 pounds a week
as an apprentice then......
Ah well, back to polishing the brass....

Cheers.

Andy.
New Zealand

>I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the
> ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was
> cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but
> totems seemed firm, as did nameplates. Interesting that ex BR diesel
> builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates -
> unless with a positive rarity value.
> There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the
> catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and
> certainly contained some significant errors.
> So where are we going? We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I
> would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea
> of their rarity or collectability.
> How do we help newcomers understand that aspect? For example I am no
> expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity
> of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol
> branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were
> many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess)
> But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value
> and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common
> stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years
> on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps
> they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the
> same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to
> recover our investments - don't we?
> Comments welcomed!
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#28 From: Andy <crespins@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Last Sheffield - and some thoughts! garratt15a
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Well, I have only looked at the web site, and was quite surprised at how
prices in general seem to have dropped.
Interestingly, there was a plate I sold there last year for 1000 pounds,
that only made 750...Someone will be pissed off !

Re, the interest side of things, I have mainly collected smaller items, like
builders plates and whistles, from locos I have been associated with, i.e..
Industrial / Army ( W.D.) locomotives, and Beyer Garratts.
I would love a Bulleid nameplate, but I can't afford one. Interestingly, I
could not afford one when they were first being sold off in the 1960's for
15 pounds either !
It is all relative to how much you are earning at the time...5 pounds a week
as an apprentice then......
Ah well, back to polishing the brass....

Cheers.

Andy.
New Zealand



>I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the
> ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was
> cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but
> totems seemed firm, as did nameplates.  Interesting that ex BR diesel
> builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates -
> unless with a positive rarity value.
> There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the
> catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and
> certainly contained some significant errors.
> So where are we going?  We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I
> would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea
> of their rarity or collectability.
> How do we help newcomers understand that aspect?  For example I am no
> expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity
> of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol
> branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were
> many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess)
> But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value
> and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common
> stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years
> on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps
> they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the
> same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to
> recover our investments - don't we?
> Comments welcomed!
> Malcolm
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#27 From: "Alan Whincup" <alan.whincup@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:50 am
Subject: Re: Last Sheffield - and some thoughts! desmond55007
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Hello All,

I was present at the last Sheffield auction and although the attendance was as always high, by half time the punters had thinned noticeably. I also noticed a greater degree of holding back on bids with Ian about to drop the hammer on several occasions only to receive a new bidder and the selling value increasing by several tens if not hundreds of pounds!

Shedcodes and some 'plain style' steam works plates have been reproduced many times years gone by and I would not like to decide authenticity on many occasions!! I think this holds back prices when times are hard.

Why do we collect railway items and pay these high prices when disposable income for many is getting far less at the moment? My theory is association with happier times, riding the last peaks, class 40's, etc, and now the class 37's - we long for a piece of our memories, perhaps of happier days with less worry in our lives?? The purchaser of these diesel plates was probably born in the 1960's/1970's so is now 35 - 45, probably married with children growing up and probably has a little more disposable income than 5 - 10 years ago so looks to spend on his 'memories' explaining to his loved ones that these collectors items are an investment for the future! There is still a generation either at this age or coming through who have memories of this era and I feel prices will remain buoyant for diesel/electric items for 10 years or so at least?

What of the "steamy boys" - these tend to be senior age mostly male now at retirement and either feel it is now or never to own that dreamed after item, buying a memory of many years ago, hence comparatively high prices particularly for choice steam items. What happens in the next 10 years? Who knows - collectors forming a collection will replace them but less so those buying a reminder of long ago memories.

As for relative rarity of specific items such as key tokens, then either by reading the current collectors journals, visiting other peoples collections and generally talking to other collectors will build up a picture of what is classed as rare or otherwise.

Two other serious thoughts: It only takes two to bid an item up to a comparatively high value, one of these can be a reserve value or so called 'commission bid', and don't forget about the lottery winners or those with fairly high redundancy pay offs - I feel these are becoming more common than you think in all areas of collecting and almost bid with a 'money is not a problem attitude', feeling in years to come values will reach that level anyway! Will they I wonder??

What are your thoughts? Do you fall into one of these categories and is it all as simple as this? I think maybe not.

Best regards

Alan.

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I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but totems seemed firm, as did nameplates. Interesting that ex BR diesel builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates - unless with a positive rarity value. There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and certainly contained some significant errors. So where are we going? We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea of their rarity or collectability. How do we help newcomers understand that aspect? For example I am no expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess) But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to recover our investments - don't we? Comments welcomed! Malcolm

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#26 From: "mp45718" <malcolm.peakman@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:18 am
Subject: Last Sheffield - and some thoughts! mp45718
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I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the
ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was
cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but
totems seemed firm, as did nameplates.  Interesting that ex BR diesel
builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates -
unless with a positive rarity value.
There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the
catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and
certainly contained some significant errors.
So where are we going?  We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I
would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea
of their rarity or collectability.
How do we help newcomers understand that aspect?  For example I am no
expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity
of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol
branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were
many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess)
But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value
and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common
stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years
on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps
they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the
same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to
recover our investments - don't we?
Comments welcomed!
Malcolm

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#25 From: Steve Vaughan <hst43029@...>
Date: Wed Mar 8, 2006 8:54 pm
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1. Malcolm - Yep, I'd be interested to see pics (sorry for the delay - your email dropped down my inbox whilst I dragged myself into the modern age by installing broadband!).

2. Has anyone on the group noticed the increase in replicas on Ebay attempting to be passed off as genuine. There is one seller in particular who seems to own his own foundry!!

An example:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Railway-nameplate-HOOD-class-50_W0QQitemZ6611095904QQcategoryZ96842QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Steve

Steve
You may be interested to know that Korea has a similar concept high speed train (OK not so high speed - 150kph) diesel hydraulic and if you are lucky (well unlucky actually) part of the power car is a passenger compartment, the main train rides OK but the power car - well the less said the better!
If you want I will send some pictures off the main group.
Malcolm

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My biggest gripe with Ebay when selling is the packaging. I don't mind listing things for sale but packing and posting is a pain, especially unusually shaped or delicate items. I have a few big signs with me at the moment, all modern image, but I cannot be bothered to get rid of them despite not wanting them! O.K. they may only fetch a hundred pounds between the three but it's so much hassle to arrange sending them to a winning bidder they will probably still be propping the wall up 12 months from now!
Anyway for everyones interest my area of collecting is the HST (InterCity 125). Be it a timetable or a nameplate I will collect it! I think I must be in the minority but I think the stainless (tin) 'plates carried during InterCity days in the 1990's were amongst the most stylish ever carried - It's just a shame they weathered so badly and some of the subjects weren't too great.
I'd love to hear from anyone in Australia who has any items relating to the XPTs operating there.
Regards,
Steve

Hi Malcolm I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was limited to 'down here'. People I have spoken to can't be bothered with ebay, and having to maybe ship something off overseas, and the hassle of payments etc...Also, I think that most collectors here don't want the plates etc, going out of the country. It is a very limited market here, with maybe only half a dozen big collectors of NZR stuff. I have also picked up a few Bayer Garratt plates ( my main interest ) from an Aussie auction house, but this was not on line. Prices are much cheaper down here, and I for one would never attempt to buy anything off ebay. The last plates I sold a few years back, I shipped via a friend, to Sheffield.
Cheers. Andy
Andy I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic. Malcolm

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All,
My biggest gripe with Ebay when selling is the packaging. I don't mind listing things for sale but packing and posting is a pain, especially unusually shaped or delicate items. I have a few big signs with me at the moment, all modern image, but I cannot be bothered to get rid of them despite not wanting them! O.K. they may only fetch a hundred pounds between the three but it's so much hassle to arrange sending them to a winning bidder they will probably still be propping the wall up 12 months from now!
Anyway for everyones interest my area of collecting is the HST (InterCity 125). Be it a timetable or a nameplate I will collect it! I think I must be in the minority but I think the stainless (tin) 'plates carried during InterCity days in the 1990's were amongst the most stylish ever carried - It's just a shame they weathered so badly and some of the subjects weren't too great.
I'd love to hear from anyone in Australia who has any items relating to the XPTs operating there.
Regards,
Steve

Hi Malcolm I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was limited to 'down here'. People I have spoken to can't be bothered with ebay, and having to maybe ship something off overseas, and the hassle of payments etc...Also, I think that most collectors here don't want the plates etc, going out of the country. It is a very limited market here, with maybe only half a dozen big collectors of NZR stuff. I have also picked up a few Bayer Garratt plates ( my main interest ) from an Aussie auction house, but this was not on line. Prices are much cheaper down here, and I for one would never attempt to buy anything off ebay. The last plates I sold a few years back, I shipped via a friend, to Sheffield.
Cheers. Andy
Andy I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic. Malcolm

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#23 From: "ALAN WHINCUP" <alan.whincup@...>
Date: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Ebay tactics desmond55007
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Hello All

Packaging is a problem and I ease this a bit by saving second hand materials for re-use. I also try to quote the postage costs at the time of advertising and only charge the actual costs involved. I am sure some add a pound or two to cover inconvenience but this may affect your selling price as bidders drop out earlier knowing the postage is expensive. Also recall when you buy something off ebay then others have gone to the trouble to pack & post for you!

From experience I also only advertise in the UK having had problems with persons outside the UK asking how they can send me �1.50 in US Dollars or Euro's!!!

OK, changing the subject a little, I collect BR diesel & Electric worksplate, nameplates, etc and part of my collection is diesel & electric shedcodes which are often steam shedcodes painted yellow or green, or the aluminium western region shedcodes.

But, for a few years, the Scottish region were fitting 'tin plate' versions of the later vinyl stick on shed allocation plates with BR rail blue background and white letters. Until recently I thought these only existed for Motherwell ML, Haymarket HA, Inverness IS and Eastfield ED. That was until I found Craigentinny EC, Dundee DE and Townhill DT on ebay. Anyone know of any others to exist or any details or history to these plates? They all look genuine enough and Inverness + Eastfield look to be carried.

Any further thoughts or details appreciated to add to this small piece of BR history.

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All,

My biggest gripe with Ebay when selling is the packaging. I don't mind listing things for sale but packing and posting is a pain, especially unusually shaped or delicate items. I have a few big signs with me at the moment, all modern image, but I cannot be bothered to get rid of them despite not wanting them! O.K. they may only fetch a hundred pounds between the three but it's so much hassle to arrange sending them to a winning bidder they will probably still be propping the wall up 12 months from now!

Anyway for everyones interest my area of collecting is the HST (InterCity 125). Be it a timetable or a nameplate I will collect it! I think I must be in the minority but I think the stainless (tin) 'plates carried during InterCity days in the 1990's were amongst the most stylish ever carried - It's just a shame they weathered so badly and some of the subjects weren't too great.

I'd love to hear from anyone in Australia who has any items relating to the XPTs operating there.

Regards,

Steve

Hi Malcolm

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was limited to 'down here'.

People I have spoken to can't be bothered with ebay, and having to maybe ship something off overseas, and the hassle of payments etc...Also, I think that most collectors here don't want the plates etc, going out of the country.

It is a very limited market here, with maybe only half a dozen big collectors of NZR stuff.

I have also picked up a few Bayer Garratt plates ( my main interest ) from an Aussie auction house, but this was not on line.

Prices are much cheaper down here, and I for one would never attempt to buy anything off ebay.

The last plates I sold a few years back, I shipped via a friend, to Sheffield.

Cheers.

Andy

Andy
I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic.
Malcolm

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#22 From: Steve Vaughan <hst43029@...>
Date: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:25 pm
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All,

My biggest gripe with Ebay when selling is the packaging. I don't mind listing things for sale but packing and posting is a pain, especially unusually shaped or delicate items. I have a few big signs with me at the moment, all modern image, but I cannot be bothered to get rid of them despite not wanting them! O.K. they may only fetch a hundred pounds between the three but it's so much hassle to arrange sending them to a winning bidder they will probably still be propping the wall up 12 months from now!

Anyway for everyones interest my area of collecting is the HST (InterCity 125). Be it a timetable or a nameplate I will collect it! I think I must be in the minority but I think the stainless (tin) 'plates carried during InterCity days in the 1990's were amongst the most stylish ever carried - It's just a shame they weathered so badly and some of the subjects weren't too great.

I'd love to hear from anyone in Australia who has any items relating to the XPTs operating there.

Regards,

Steve

Hi Malcolm

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was limited to 'down here'.

People I have spoken to can't be bothered with ebay, and having to maybe ship something off overseas, and the hassle of payments etc...Also, I think that most collectors here don't want the plates etc, going out of the country.

It is a very limited market here, with maybe only half a dozen big collectors of NZR stuff.

I have also picked up a few Bayer Garratt plates ( my main interest ) from an Aussie auction house, but this was not on line.

Prices are much cheaper down here, and I for one would never attempt to buy anything off ebay.

The last plates I sold a few years back, I shipped via a friend, to Sheffield.

Cheers.

Andy

Andy
I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic.
Malcolm

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#21 From: Andy <crespins@...>
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Hi Malcolm

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it was limited to 'down here'.

People I have spoken to can't be bothered with ebay, and having to maybe ship something off overseas, and the hassle of payments etc...Also, I think that most collectors here don't want the plates etc, going out of the country.

It is a very limited market here, with maybe only half a dozen big collectors of NZR stuff.

I have also picked up a few Bayer Garratt plates ( my main interest ) from an Aussie auction house, but this was not on line.

Prices are much cheaper down here, and I for one would never attempt to buy anything off ebay.

The last plates I sold a few years back, I shipped via a friend, to Sheffield.

Cheers.

Andy

Andy
I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic.
Malcolm

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#20 From: "Robin J Gibbons" <rgibbons@...>
Date: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:17 pm
Subject: Group membership (was ebay tactics) huochemi
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Alan, we have 15 members as of now. I don't actually know all the names,
as these have to be disclosed by the individual. I don't think it would
be appropriate for me to publish names though as this should be a choice
for the individual. Hopefully if we keep the chat going, more will
decide to join in. As to interests, feel free - you can tell mine by
reading my auction reports - doesn't necessarily mean I am an active
collector in these fields though.

Rgds

Robin


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> Continuing this theme - I have had some excellent items off ebay, some
at very reasonable prices, and no disappointments so far.
>
> I cannot say the same for the telephone auctions operating in the UK
at the moment where I have had several items I feel were miss-described,
the catalogue description being "very generous" describing defects! Some
of the telephone auctions do not illustrate any of the items so it is
difficult for all concerned and one persons idea of 'slight damage,
hardly noticeable' is often not my idea!! I do wonder if some of the
'lesser value, damaged, repaired' items are entered in these auctions as
a way of moving them on? Any other Group members had any experiences
with postal auctions?
>
> Moving on, what does everyone feel about the buyers premium and vat
being added to live auction prices? I thought it would have a dramatic
effect on the Kidlington sales but judging by the last two auctions it
seems to have had very little influence on the hammer price when you
allow for the natural trends in present day prices. Were any group
members at the last two auctions and what were your thoughts?
>
> On a more general point, Robin, how many group members do we now have
and what are your thoughts on copying a list of members names and maybe
even areas of collecting interest? Or do most members wish to stay
incognito!!
>
> Best regards
>
> Alan.
>

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Andy
I looked at that site, but it is limited to Australia, New Zealand and Chatham Isles. Why would anyone want to sell on a limited site when ebay is open to anyone, surely it is limiting your selling opportunity? As you said you got a SAR 14R at a fraction of the open market price. Sorry I don't understand the logic.
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Hi All,
We have the same sort of antics, here in New Zealand. We have a local auction site on the net, called 'Trade Me'..You can find just about anything on there. They have a transport antique section, and quite often some juicy loco items come up for grabs. It is run much the same as ebay, and there is the usual mad scramble 10 minutes before the auction is due to end. It is mainly NZR stuff, with anything from cabside plates, builders plates, to tickets. I was lucky last year to pick up a South African cabside off a 14R, one which I had worked on years ago in Bulawayo. The owner had emigrated from SA, and wanted to sell off some of his plates. I was over the moon with getting it at a very reasonable price compared to what it would have fetched in UK.
As for asking us what we all are interested in, and collect, Hell, why not ? It could foster some good discussions. If we all agree, I will write back with my interests and collections.
Cheers. Andy Crespin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Whincup To: railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:10 AM Subject: [railwayana_group] ebay tactics

Dear All Group Members
Continuing this theme - I have had some excellent items off ebay, some at very reasonable prices, and no disappointments so far.
I cannot say the same for the telephone auctions operating in the UK at the moment where I have had several items I feel were miss-described, the catalogue description being "very generous" describing defects! Some of the telephone auctions do not illustrate any of the items so it is difficult for all concerned and one persons idea of 'slight damage, hardly noticeable' is often not my idea!! I do wonder if some of the 'lesser value, damaged, repaired' items are entered in these auctions as a way of moving them on? Any other Group members had any experiences with postal auctions?
Moving on, what does everyone feel about the buyers premium and vat being added to live auction prices? I thought it would have a dramatic effect on the Kidlington sales but judging by the last two auctions it seems to have had very little influence on the hammer price when you allow for the natural trends in present day prices. Were any group members at the last two auctions and what were your thoughts?
On a more general point, Robin, how many group members do we now have and what are your thoughts on copying a list of members names and maybe even areas of collecting interest? Or do most members wish to stay incognito!!
Best regards
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#18 From: Andy <crespins@...>
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Hi All,

We have the same sort of antics, here in New Zealand.

We have a local auction site on the net, called 'Trade Me'..You can find just about anything on there.

They have a transport antique section, and quite often some juicy loco items come up for grabs. It is run much the same as ebay, and there is the usual mad scramble 10 minutes before the auction is due to end.

It is mainly NZR stuff, with anything from cabside plates, builders plates, to tickets.

I was lucky last year to pick up a South African cabside off a 14R, one which I had worked on years ago in Bulawayo.

The owner had emigrated from SA, and wanted to sell off some of his plates. I was over the moon with getting it at a very reasonable price compared to what it would have fetched in UK.

As for asking us what we all are interested in, and collect, Hell, why not ? It could foster some good discussions.

If we all agree, I will write back with my interests and collections.

Cheers.

Andy Crespin.

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Dear All Group Members

Continuing this theme - I have had some excellent items off ebay, some at very reasonable prices, and no disappointments so far.

I cannot say the same for the telephone auctions operating in the UK at the moment where I have had several items I feel were miss-described, the catalogue description being "very generous" describing defects! Some of the telephone auctions do not illustrate any of the items so it is difficult for all concerned and one persons idea of 'slight damage, hardly noticeable' is often not my idea!! I do wonder if some of the 'lesser value, damaged, repaired' items are entered in these auctions as a way of moving them on? Any other Group members had any experiences with postal auctions?

Moving on, what does everyone feel about the buyers premium and vat being added to live auction prices? I thought it would have a dramatic effect on the Kidlington sales but judging by the last two auctions it seems to have had very little influence on the hammer price when you allow for the natural trends in present day prices. Were any group members at the last two auctions and what were your thoughts?

On a more general point, Robin, how many group members do we now have and what are your thoughts on copying a list of members names and maybe even areas of collecting interest? Or do most members wish to stay incognito!!

Best regards

Alan.

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Hi Group
I might comment on one aspect of Alan's email (members names and areas of interest) I know most serious collectors ebay name and so if I know that a certain person is interested in a particular thing and it is their area of interest I sometimes stay away - of course sometimes I don't.
What do people think about this? Should I let my knowledge of who is bidding affect the way I bid? Also should I be annoyed if a friend out bids me at the last second? After all he was prepared to pay more than I was so why should I feel irritated?
I think most people know if it had steel wheels and carried a plate then I will collect it (the plate that is)
Malcolm

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Continuing this theme - I have had some excellent items off ebay, some at very reasonable prices, and no disappointments so far.
I cannot say the same for the telephone auctions operating in the UK at the moment where I have had several items I feel were miss-described, the catalogue description being "very generous" describing defects! Some of the telephone auctions do not illustrate any of the items so it is difficult for all concerned and one persons idea of 'slight damage, hardly noticeable' is often not my idea!! I do wonder if some of the 'lesser value, damaged, repaired' items are entered in these auctions as a way of moving them on? Any other Group members had any experiences with postal auctions?
Moving on, what does everyone feel about the buyers premium and vat being added to live auction prices? I thought it would have a dramatic effect on the Kidlington sales but judging by the last two auctions it seems to have had very little influence on the hammer price when you allow for the natural trends in present day prices. Were any group members at the last two auctions and what were your thoughts?
On a more general point, Robin, how many group members do we now have and what are your thoughts on copying a list of members names and maybe even areas of collecting interest? Or do most members wish to stay incognito!!
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Dear All Group Members

Continuing this theme - I have had some excellent items off ebay, some at very reasonable prices, and no disappointments so far.

I cannot say the same for the telephone auctions operating in the UK at the moment where I have had several items I feel were miss-described, the catalogue description being "very generous" describing defects! Some of the telephone auctions do not illustrate any of the items so it is difficult for all concerned and one persons idea of 'slight damage, hardly noticeable' is often not my idea!! I do wonder if some of the 'lesser value, damaged, repaired' items are entered in these auctions as a way of moving them on? Any other Group members had any experiences with postal auctions?

Moving on, what does everyone feel about the buyers premium and vat being added to live auction prices? I thought it would have a dramatic effect on the Kidlington sales but judging by the last two auctions it seems to have had very little influence on the hammer price when you allow for the natural trends in present day prices. Were any group members at the last two auctions and what were your thoughts?

On a more general point, Robin, how many group members do we now have and what are your thoughts on copying a list of members names and maybe even areas of collecting interest? Or do most members wish to stay incognito!!

Best regards

Alan.

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Hi
I agree with Alan and Steve's tactics, I think that "cold" bidding in the last hour or 30 minutes should be banned, that way at least you know who the bidders are, yesterday I watched a US plate go through the roof in the last few seconds, I was going to bid, but just sat there in amazement, it was already well over the price I wanted to pay. And the winner was a fresh bidder ("jumper")
I have bought several things on second chance which seems a good system, and also have used "buy it now" but sometimes the price is just "stupid".
My other big problem is high start prices, I don't think they work for the seller as they are often "cold" (no bids) better seems to be a reasonable start and a reasonable reserve.
Anyway ebay has let me buy many things that I otherwise would not have, but as noted caveat emptor, much is hyped, eg the other day an LMS lot plate was hyped as being in the train crashed at Old Dalby for the nuclear flask test, and sold at a very inflated price, of course wrong as the train was BR mark 1's! But the hype worked on the "innocent".
Good luck
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All very sensible stuff. I tend to put a bid in when I first see the item which tends to be my maximum, although after some thought I may up this. My number 1 reason for bidding this way is I tend to forget that something is closing, switch the computer on and then realise the item I wanted finished some hours ago! Buy it now is always a bone of contention. If I sell with buy it now I will usually set a very high price over and above what I expect for an item - if it sells then I consider it a bonus, I'm not sure if this can put potential bidders off though. The flip side to this is that I have once picked up a huge bargain with buy it now paying ten quid for an exceptionally rare 1st issue working instructions for the Prototype HST. The final and most important thing is 'caveat emptor'. Remember the old saying if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
A little story to finish......
Some months ago a 'Cross Country Trains' nameplate appeared on Ebay. It was the supplementary plate to 'Plymouth Spirit of Discovery' ex HST Power Car 43193. This plate belonged to Virgin Trains and was supposed to be in secure storage in Nottingham. The vendor was, coincidently, located in Nottingham. I emailed the vendor asking about the history and he was very cagey about it. The 'plate eventually sold for about �500 before I could get confirmation it was stolen. A couple of weeks ago the second plate appeared from the same vendor. This time I got confirmation pretty quickly that the plates had defiantely NOT been released by Virgin but the auction had ended early because 'the item was no longer for sale'. So somebody out there has a very suspicious nameplate. All nameplates disposed of by any Train Operating Company or Leasco (Porterbrook, Angel, HSBC) are now notified to the British Transport Police so it's always worth checking if suspicious before parting with big sums of money. Any nameplates sold within the last few years should always come with a receipt of sale.
Regards
Steve

Alan Whincup <alan.whincup@...> wrote: Hello Robin
My first contribution to the discussion group.
ebay has good and bad points, you need to be alert and streetwise or should I say 'railwayana wise'. Most items seem to go with a mad rush of last minute or even last second bids but that is the way it operates. I generally try to enter a modest initial bid to let others know I am interested and then if still within my top price range send a final bid as close to the finish as I dare. The 'buy it now' option can be good if you are first to see the item and feel the price is ok, but if you view it second then you may loose out, and like you I like / need a beer too. The local pub has Sky sport but no Internet desk as yet!! For the seller, where does he pitch his 'buy it now' price in a market where selling prices fluctuate not only on the item but also it's condition? We do need to view condition as closely as possible which is often difficult with limited size of pictures and one persons 'small but hardly noticeable' enamel chip description being another person 'major repair' and making the item not of interest. I have found this scenario with more than one of the telephone auctions currently operating. One final point, has anyone noticed that quite a few items are not exactly what they seem or should be from the description given on ebay? Take locomotive decals for example - the modern day shedcodes - I am sure some of these are not originals or have not been carried when the description seems to contradict this. They usually fetch big money so buyer beware, it is not easy to get a refund for goods purchased off ebay!
Best regards
Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin J Gibbons To: railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:04 PM Subject: [railwayana_group] ebay tactics

Discussion seems a bit non-existent at the moment. Any thoughts on ebay tactics? Having just been outbid on ebay on the basis that I don't spend 24 hours glued to the screen, and occasionally go for a beer - yes I know I should have put in a higher maximum but one doesn't want to put in a larger bid and then be bid up - i.e nip in at the last moment with a knock-out, it sems to me that sellers are missing out i.e the buy it now option seems quite a good idea.
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#14 From: Steve Vaughan <hst43029@...>
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Buy it now is always a bone of contention. If I sell with buy it now I will usually set a very high price over and above what I expect for an item - if it sells then I consider it a bonus, I'm not sure if this can put potential bidders off though.

The flip side to this is that I have once picked up a huge bargain with buy it now paying ten quid for an exceptionally rare 1st issue working instructions for the Prototype HST.

The final and most important thing is 'caveat emptor'. Remember the old saying if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

A little story to finish......

Some months ago a 'Cross Country Trains' nameplate appeared on Ebay. It was the supplementary plate to 'Plymouth Spirit of Discovery' ex HST Power Car 43193. This plate belonged to Virgin Trains and was supposed to be in secure storage in Nottingham. The vendor was, coincidently, located in Nottingham. I emailed the vendor asking about the history and he was very cagey about it. The 'plate eventually sold for about �500 before I could get confirmation it was stolen. A couple of weeks ago the second plate appeared from the same vendor. This time I got confirmation pretty quickly that the plates had defiantely NOT been released by Virgin but the auction had ended early because 'the item was no longer for sale'. So somebody out there has a very suspicious nameplate.

All nameplates disposed of by any Train Operating Company or Leasco (Porterbrook, Angel, HSBC) are now notified to the British Transport Police so it's always worth checking if suspicious before parting with big sums of money. Any nameplates sold within the last few years should always come with a receipt of sale.

Regards

Steve

Alan Whincup <alan.whincup@...> wrote:

Hello Robin

My first contribution to the discussion group.

ebay has good and bad points, you need to be alert and streetwise or should I say 'railwayana wise'.

Most items seem to go with a mad rush of last minute or even last second bids but that is the way it operates.

I generally try to enter a modest initial bid to let others know I am interested and then if still within my top price range send a final bid as close to the finish as I dare. The 'buy it now' option can be good if you are first to see the item and feel the price is ok, but if you view it second then you may loose out, and like you I like / need a beer too. The local pub has Sky sport but no Internet desk as yet!!

For the seller, where does he pitch his 'buy it now' price in a market where selling prices fluctuate not only on the item but also it's condition? We do need to view condition as closely as possible which is often difficult with limited size of pictures and one persons 'small but hardly noticeable' enamel chip description being another person 'major repair' and making the item not of interest. I have found this scenario with more than one of the telephone auctions currently operating.

One final point, has anyone noticed that quite a few items are not exactly what they seem or should be from the description given on ebay? Take locomotive decals for example - the modern day shedcodes - I am sure some of these are not originals or have not been carried when the description seems to contradict this. They usually fetch big money so buyer beware, it is not easy to get a refund for goods purchased off ebay!

Best regards

Alan.

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Discussion seems a bit non-existent at the moment. Any thoughts on ebay tactics? Having just been outbid on ebay on the basis that I don't spend 24 hours glued to the screen, and occasionally go for a beer - yes I know I should have put in a higher maximum but one doesn't want to put in a larger bid and then be bid up - i.e nip in at the last moment with a knock-out, it sems to me that sellers are missing out i.e the buy it now option seems quite a good idea. Rgds RJG

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Hello Robin

My first contribution to the discussion group.

ebay has good and bad points, you need to be alert and streetwise or should I say 'railwayana wise'.

Most items seem to go with a mad rush of last minute or even last second bids but that is the way it operates.

I generally try to enter a modest initial bid to let others know I am interested and then if still within my top price range send a final bid as close to the finish as I dare. The 'buy it now' option can be good if you are first to see the item and feel the price is ok, but if you view it second then you may loose out, and like you I like / need a beer too. The local pub has Sky sport but no Internet desk as yet!!

For the seller, where does he pitch his 'buy it now' price in a market where selling prices fluctuate not only on the item but also it's condition? We do need to view condition as closely as possible which is often difficult with limited size of pictures and one persons 'small but hardly noticeable' enamel chip description being another person 'major repair' and making the item not of interest. I have found this scenario with more than one of the telephone auctions currently operating.

One final point, has anyone noticed that quite a few items are not exactly what they seem or should be from the description given on ebay? Take locomotive decals for example - the modern day shedcodes - I am sure some of these are not originals or have not been carried when the description seems to contradict this. They usually fetch big money so buyer beware, it is not easy to get a refund for goods purchased off ebay!

Best regards

Alan.

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Discussion seems a bit non-existent at the moment. Any thoughts on ebay tactics? Having just been outbid on ebay on the basis that I don't spend 24 hours glued to the screen, and occasionally go for a beer - yes I know I should have put in a higher maximum but one doesn't want to put in a larger bid and then be bid up - i.e nip in at the last moment with a knock-out, it sems to me that sellers are missing out i.e the buy it now option seems quite a good idea. Rgds RJG

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Discussion seems a bit non-existent at the moment. Any thoughts on
ebay tactics? Having just been outbid on ebay on the basis that I
don't spend 24 hours glued to the screen, and occasionally go for a
beer - yes I know I should have put in a higher maximum but one
doesn't want to put in a larger bid and then be bid up - i.e nip in at
the last moment with a knock-out, it sems to me that sellers are
missing out i.e the buy it now option seems quite a good idea.

Rgds
RJG

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-gauge-steam-locomotive_W0QQitemZ6033196805QQcategoryZ14737QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I have now posted my commentary at http://www.railwayanapage.com/auction.htm

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Although there seems to have been a glitch in their on-line publicity, Mike has just advised me that the results are now on-line. http://www.gcrauctions.com/sale104/all-lots.html

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It seems like an awful lot of money to me. Mind you, not living in UK any more, maybe that is not so much these days ?

Most of mine old Ian Allan's have locos underlined !

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Andy

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Did anyone notice the batch of unused combined volumes being sold on ebay? Is �378 for a Summer 1956 a record for any combine? Rgds RJG

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Did anyone notice the batch of unused combined volumes being sold on
ebay? Is �378 for a Summer 1956 a record for any combine?
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Don't know if anyone else has noticed them but there are some very nice drawings of new structures available on the WHR site - see e.g http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ml/whr/graphics/UB174-display.pdf and http://www.bangor.ac.uk/ml/whr/graphics/UB182-display.pdf

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> --- In railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com, "Robin J Gibbons"
> <rgibbons@n...> wrote:
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> > Published on railwayanapage site.
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> Hi Robin
> Sorry if I'm a bit dense, but I checked everywhere on the site, but
> didn't see anything obvious!
> Where is it located?
> Malcolm (watching the snow drifting down in Korea)
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#4 From: "mp45718" <malcolm.peakman@...>
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:54 am
Subject: Re: Sheffield commentary mp45718
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--- In railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com, "Robin J Gibbons"
<rgibbons@n...> wrote:
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> Published on railwayanapage site.
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Hi Robin
Sorry if I'm a bit dense, but I checked everywhere on the site, but
didn't see anything obvious!
Where is it located?
Malcolm (watching the snow drifting down in Korea)

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#3 From: "Robin J Gibbons" <rgibbons@...>
Date: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:31 am
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Published on railwayanapage site.

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#2 From: "mp45718" <malcolm.peakman@...>
Date: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:20 am
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Robin
Per Dick Whittington's site realisations - Lot 519 W/p NBL 24076/1931
ex KUR 73 EC2 4-8-2+2-8-4 Garratt / EAR 5207 7�" diam. �600
Re the Oval Alco I agree that oval Alco's are not the norm so someone
got a snip at 160!
Indeed the prices paid in UK for American plates is out of line with
what is paid in America for plates off American Locos, but for some
reason most Americans don't go for non US locos.  Witness the BLW for
100, one just went on ebay for 300+ US.
Unfortunatly I don't know what Alco 73942 is off, but will look when
back in Canada!
Malcolm

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#1 From: "Robin J Gibbons" <rgibbons@...>
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:07 am
Subject: Sheffield queries huochemi
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1. Does anyone know what loco Lot 519, the NBL plate 24076 was from?
2. ditto ALCO 73942 Lot 488. Oval ALCO plates are surely unusual?

Rgds
RJG

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