New listers have appeared at Specialist Auctions www.specialistauctions.com and
the headings for paper railwayana have grown hugely.


Very specifically tickets are doing well. Look at

http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1382355

as an entry point and then this vendors other auctions. A rich selection is
available and by acting now you can pre-empt the competition.

There are 241 lots in
http://www.specialistauctions.com/categories.php?parent=5045

Collectables > Railwayana > Tickets and Luggage Labels
  and that is just one of a considerable number of relevant categories.

Here is another interesting lot my eye saw

Lot 50 Edmonson tickets Uruguay State Railway Administration
http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1349578

I am selling some of my stuff to help raise funds for carriage restoration.
Please feel free to browse www.steamera.co.uk.
Many thanks,
Steve.

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From: Robin J Gibbons

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Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 3:03 PM

Subject: [railwayana_group] 5694 smokebox plate mystery

I note that the abvoe sold at Pudsey a couple of weeks ago, in restored condition. It seems to have sold at Sheffield in March 2009 in "ex-loco" condition, and the photo in the cat seems to show it in such condition. It sold previously at Pershore in November 2006 in restored condition - http://www.gwra.co.uk/AlbumNov06/HTML%20Images/5694.htm

Is there more than one plate in circulation?

RJG



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I note that the abvoe sold at Pudsey a couple of weeks ago, in restored
condition. It seems to have sold at Sheffield in March 2009 in "ex-loco"
condition, and the photo in the cat seems to show it in such condition. It sold
previously at Pershore in November 2006 in restored condition -
http://www.gwra.co.uk/AlbumNov06/HTML%20Images/5694.htm

Is there more than one plate in circulation?

RJG

A large amount of pre grouping UK railway paperwork has been listed on
www.specialistauctions.com (not by myself) an example is
http://www.specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1332403
and from there the rest should be easily found. Nice lines like the Wirral
Railway and the Furness included.

Specialist Auctions is an excellent venue for selling with no listing charges
and a 3% on each realisation only.

This is the sequence of events that lead to the recovery of the plates
from SAR 25NC 3411 as stated by Mark Robinson of HRASA (Heritage
Railway Association of South Africa.

a.. The sale was spotted on the Internet (Dylan Knott)

b.. The information was passed to TFHP and HRASA (Peter Odell)

c.. HRASA unable to open a police case thanks to not being the asset owner

d.. TFHP opened a case with the Kimberley police

e.. Concurrently a (bogus) offer to purchase was made to establish
whereabouts of the plates

f.. SAPS Kimberley passed the case to SAPS SOCU in Cape Town

g.. The "purchaser" and the SAPS SOCU set up a sting operation with HRASA

h.. At 16h30 last Friday a local HRASA member viewed the plates at a
factory in Bellville to establish that they were in fact the right
items and not replicas. On this being established a phone call was
made, supposedly to the "purchaser" but actually to the waiting SAPS
team, who then raided the premises.

Thereafter a raid was conducted at the sellers home where one other
number plate from an electric unit also thought to be stolen was
discovered. One gentleman's Friday afternoon was rather thoroughly spoilt!

i.. In discussion with the SAPS it would seem fairly certain that the
current seller is not the person who stole the plates and he is now,
as they say "assisting the police with their enquiries".

The SAPS certainly have taken the matter seriously - the team that
conducted the raids was no less than 7 detectives in three vehicles!

"Did anything change in ebay for this to happen or is it just one of
those things?"

This simply may be the reason:

The weakness of the USD particularly against the GBP is making the
acquisition of US goods including collectibles very attractive and US
based sellers are responding to this demand.

Trevor Heath
Port Orchard, Washington USA


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<robert@...> wrote:
>
> Folks
>
> I have not been a member before although I guess some of you will
have met me in various contexts and maybe you have one or more of my
books?
> For a good number of years I have faithfully supported Ebay and in
more recent times I have also taken to using
www.specialistauctions.com . I have a three fold question. Are there
any other obvious on line outlets for printed paper railwayana that I
may have missed? And apart from this group - and I am only just
starting here - is there any on line forum where what happens with
ebay and railwayana is sensibly debated? I work from a Northumberland
hillside and it is awfully easy for feel one is missing the "vibe". My
own vibe is that this autumn ebay seems to have been so taken over
with American listings that it becomes really difficult to keep up to
date with the British items. Did anything change in ebay for this to
happen or is it just one of those things?
>
> Robert Forsythe whose tradename is robertatforsythe (in the auction
> sites mentioned)
>

Folks

I have not been a member before although I guess some of you will have
met me in various contexts and maybe you have one or more of my books?
For a good number of years I have faithfully supported Ebay and in more
recent times I have also taken to using www.specialistauctions.com . I
have a three fold question. Are there any other obvious on line outlets
for printed paper railwayana that I may have missed? And apart from
this group - and I am only just starting here - is there any on line
forum where what happens with ebay and railwayana is sensibly debated?
I work from a Northumberland hillside and it is awfully easy for feel
one is missing the "vibe". My own vibe is that this autumn ebay seems
to have been so taken over with American listings that it becomes
really difficult to keep up to date with the British items. Did
anything change in ebay for this to happen or is it just one of those
things?

Robert Forsythe whose tradename is robertatforsythe (in the auction
sites mentioned)

Just a quick note to let you know we have been able to recover another
plate from an English auction house that had gone "missing" from a
locomotive on display at Nairobi Railway Museum. This time it was the
nameplate from 31 class, 3123 "Bavuma".

TH

Now online at http://www.railwayanapage.com/auction.htm

I see that a WInter 57/58 "combine" sold for £510 on ebay recently. Has anyone seen a more expensive one?

Anyone know anything about item 130050138191 ?

I have posted my latest report at http://www.railwayanapage.com/auction.htm#KRA10_2006

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Quoting "malcolm.peakman@..."
<malcolm.peakman@...>:

Hi Malcom,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I realise that they were casting dippled plates
before the later batch of plates, but was just wondering about the backgrounds
being painted. I expect that in early days they would have been painted before
being fitted to locos, but I doubt if they would have bothered to paint them
during WW2 when fitting them to Austerities. I expect they came from the
foundry cleaned up, and fitted on the locos unpainted. I just thought someone
may know for sure.
Most plates with a pattern background were polished, and not painted i.e.
Hunslet etc.
A good colour photo of an ex works Vulcan Austerity 2-8-0 or 0-6-0 would be
nice, but I doubt if one exists.

Cheers.
Andy


> Hi Andy
> "Dippled" background plates were fitted long before WW2 (I have one from
>
> 1906) and yes builders photos indicate that they were polished letters
> on
> a dark (Black?) background.
> As you say in service they were simply painted over as time to polish
> such
> things was not there! (Even nameplates were often dirty/unpolished)
> Malcolm
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> [railwayana_group] Vulcan Foundry plates
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> Not much activity on this site lately, but I have a question regarding
> Vulcan Foundry builders plates.
> Does anyone know if they were painted when fitted to the locos, or
> just left plain brass ? I am talking about the later WW2 onwards, that
> had the 'dippled' pattern as a background.
> They would have been covered with all sorts of paint during the life
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Not much activity on this site lately, but I have a question regarding
Vulcan Foundry builders plates.
Does anyone know if they were painted when fitted to the locos, or
just left plain brass ? I am talking about the later WW2 onwards, that
had the 'dippled' pattern as a background.
They would have been covered with all sorts of paint during the life
of the loco, but where they painted before being fitted.

Cheers. Andy

Anyone know what to make of Lot 1525 at the forthcoming Sheffield?
This is said to be a boxboard but clearly it is not the LMS version
which TG carried (and which is shown on my site).

Somewhat late but commentary now available on www.railwayanapage.com

Nice to hear you sorted it Neil.
Regards, Paul.

--- In railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com, ANeilMackay@... wrote:
>
> I have a couple of engraved brass lever plates from a Stevens & Sons frame.
> Most of the black wax infill has dropped out and I'd like to replace it. Does
> anyone have an idea where I could get some suitable wax? Sealing wax might
> work but it seems to be a bit too soft plus I haven't seen any in black.
> Thanks in anticipation!
> Regards
> Neil
>

Hi Neil.

Is this stuff any use to you from eBay?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLACK-SOFT-FILLER-WAX-SUITABLE-FOR-ENGRAVING-MACHINE_W0QQitemZ7618017070QQcategoryZ3180QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLACK-WHITE-RED-SOFT-FILLER-WAX-SUITABLE-FOR-ENGRAVING_W0QQitemZ7618017103QQcategoryZ3180QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I asked my Dad (Ex Carriage & Wagon Worker!) and he suggested heating the metal up first, then add the wax and wait until cold before you clean the surface.

Regards,

Paul.

--- In railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com, "Robin J Gibbons"
<rgibbons@...> wrote:
>
> How come we suddenly have all these live auctions? Some decent
> material which makes one wodner if the less regular ones are based
> around selling someone's collection.
> RJG
>



hi everyone my name is michael, i read with interest the postings
about the number of new auctions & and i ask can they survive.
the statistics are saying they will struggle, we all sometimes sell
the odd item in auction & expect to get a fair price for the item,
considering the time & effort in entering items & most of us like to
be there on the day, the last thing we need is for the item not to
sell.
so back to the statistics useing sheffield as a guide, with on
average only about 2% of items unsold, compare this with the last
two new live auctions, talisman march auction 13% unsold & stafford
with a staggering 33%, would you enter items again, especially the
last named.
so only time will tell, but i think this time next year things will
get back to normal.
best regards to you all.
michael.

Does anyone know why this plate (sold at Talisman recently) is prefixed "E"?

RJG

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From: railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin J Gibbons
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:41 AM
To: railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [railwayana_group] Explosion in number of auctions

How come we suddenly have all these live auctions? Some decent
material which makes one wodner if the less regular ones are based
around selling someone's collection.
RJG

How come we suddenly have all these live auctions? Some decent
material which makes one wodner if the less regular ones are based
around selling someone's collection.
RJG

Well, I have only looked at the web site, and was quite surprised at how
prices in general seem to have dropped.
Interestingly, there was a plate I sold there last year for 1000 pounds,
that only made 750...Someone will be pissed off !

Re, the interest side of things, I have mainly collected smaller items, like
builders plates and whistles, from locos I have been associated with, i.e..
Industrial / Army ( W.D.) locomotives, and Beyer Garratts.
I would love a Bulleid nameplate, but I can't afford one. Interestingly, I
could not afford one when they were first being sold off in the 1960's for
15 pounds either !
It is all relative to how much you are earning at the time...5 pounds a week
as an apprentice then......
Ah well, back to polishing the brass....

Cheers.

Andy.
New Zealand



>I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the
> ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was
> cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but
> totems seemed firm, as did nameplates.  Interesting that ex BR diesel
> builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates -
> unless with a positive rarity value.
> There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the
> catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and
> certainly contained some significant errors.
> So where are we going?  We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I
> would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea
> of their rarity or collectability.
> How do we help newcomers understand that aspect?  For example I am no
> expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity
> of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol
> branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were
> many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess)
> But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value
> and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common
> stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years
> on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps
> they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the
> same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to
> recover our investments - don't we?
> Comments welcomed!
> Malcolm
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----- Original Message -----

From: mp45718

To: railwayana_group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:18 AM

Subject: [railwayana_group] Last Sheffield - and some thoughts!

I found the results interesting - shed plates seem to have halted the
ever upward moves and wagon plates didn't shine - the ROF Woolwich was
cheap, and so many early steam builders plates at bargain prices, but
totems seemed firm, as did nameplates.  Interesting that ex BR diesel
builders plates generally seem to command more than steam plates -
unless with a positive rarity value.
There still seems to be money out there, but I must admit that the
catalogue seems to contain a little more hype than before and
certainly contained some significant errors.
So where are we going?  We need new blood coming into the hobby, but I
would be wary of splashing big money on things when I had no real idea
of their rarity or collectability.
How do we help newcomers understand that aspect?  For example I am no
expert on single line tokens so I have no idea of the relative rarity
of say a Cambrian main line section versus say one from the Cruckmeol
branch (I could imagine from my professional knowledge that there were
many more of the former than the latter - but that is only a guess) 
But if one were offered how does the newcomer gauge the relative value
and how much to spend, (I have seen people buying big into common
stamps only to find that a dealer will offer them 20% of face 5 years
on, whereas if they had invested the same into the top value stamps
they might have turned a dollar), and if a newcomer experiences the
same in railwayana will he want to continue, after all we expect to
recover our investments - don't we?
Comments welcomed!
Malcolm