Dear All I was fortunate enough to spend some time with Julian last night discussing his presentation for Agile 2009. Julian took me through the model. I do...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 10:09 am
As I mentioned in another post, I'm currently reading Deming's "New Economics". It strikes me that what Deming and Goldratt share is a lack of understanding of...
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yannpdem
Jun 12, 2009 10:12 am
I had lived situations in which the management was so bad, that even the best programmer could not make a difference (in fact they flee as soon as they...
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Graham Oakes
grahamdoakes
Jun 12, 2009 10:14 am
"He needs to understand that the performance of anyone is governed largely by the system that he works in, the responsibility of management" ....Whilst true in...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 10:18 am
... Wait til you see Julian's stuff ;-) Its cool....
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David Peterson
dpeterson72
Jun 12, 2009 10:23 am
Hi Chris, This is interesting. Does it boil down to psychology - the same way people don't like uncertainty, they also don't like feeling out of control, so ...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 12, 2009 10:45 am
2009/6/12 chrismatts1968 <chris.matts@...> ... I think my interpretation is different from yours. I don't think Deming was saying the individual don't...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 11:38 am
David Much of the work of the Agile community has been to automate and drive variance from the software development process. This is all well and good but it...
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njjreid
Jun 12, 2009 12:00 pm
I disagree. The management of an organization (all of them, not just immediate supervisor) sets the levels to which its individuals are empowered to do their...
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Matt Wynne
mattwynneatf...
Jun 12, 2009 12:18 pm
... I think that TDD / BDD help with information arrival as well as process efficiency. The team I am on now is totally disciplined about never writing a line...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 12:51 pm
... Karl I think our reading is the same. I have seen individuals or small groups make a massive difference with out without management support. I think...
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David Peterson
dpeterson72
Jun 12, 2009 1:00 pm
So, basically, you're arguing that we need: (a) good software development processes, so we can make changes quickly; (b) good information arrival processes, so...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 1:07 pm
... Matt I agree on the TDD / BDD front. But where do the "tests" or "requirements" come from? I think "Pull" is the appropriate word for a manufacturing...
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njjreid
Jun 12, 2009 1:10 pm
Donald Reinertsen's "Managing the Design Factory" has an excellent overview of information arrival and it's effect on one-time processes such as product design...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 1:19 pm
... Hi Jason If ideas refuse to die, it means that someone benefits from keeping them alive. Memes ( idea viruses ) need a carrier or host after all. Does not...
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njjreid
Jun 12, 2009 1:49 pm
Hey Chris, sorry for jumping right into disagreement with you without even saying "hi" :) I think I basically agree with you on all points. When I said "maybe"...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 12, 2009 3:17 pm
2009/6/12 chrismatts1968 <chris.matts@...> ... I've seen plenty of individuals or teams be massively impeded by Management so I still disagree that...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 3:21 pm
... Don't worry. I have a habit of doing it alllll the while. Nice to have you here. ... Hi Jason I agree. Wait til you see Julian's stuff. It is VERY exciting...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 3:27 pm
... I think we bear similar scars ;-) Question is, What if we had simply removed the management that had impeded us and not replaced them. What would we lose? ...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 3:38 pm
... Thank you, but I'm not sure many of the people who work with me would agree. ;-) This has been one of my beefs with Agile for a while. "All the BAs we have...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 12, 2009 3:55 pm
2009/6/12 chrismatts1968 <chris.matts@...> ... If a string team with no manager can buy a new build server then great. Usually though its a management...
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Kevin Brennan
kevinjbrennan
Jun 12, 2009 4:01 pm
... Mine too. It's probably about as fair an assessment as "all the developers I've met are focused on coding and playing with the latest tech and have no...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 4:18 pm
... Why would you have a management policy if you just dumped the management? So how about a company policy that is agreed by the employees? I'm coming back to...
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Karl Scotland
kjscotland
Jun 12, 2009 4:23 pm
2009/6/12 chrismatts1968 <chris.matts@...> ... I'm struggling to understand what you mean by management, if you think its possible for a software...
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Matt Wynne
mattwynneatf...
Jun 12, 2009 4:27 pm
... Yes. In an organisation of any significant size, bottom up changes mostly happen because good managers facilitate (i.e. have the courage to allow) them....
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Kevin Brennan
kevinjbrennan
Jun 12, 2009 4:33 pm
... I think there's more to it than that. I agree that a significant chunk of good management is letting people implement good ideas and clearing impediments...
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Adail Retamal
adail_retamal
Jun 12, 2009 4:44 pm
I'm with Karl on this one... By the way, in my experience here in Brazil, most of the resistance against Agile culture and methods results from this...
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chrismatts1968
Jun 12, 2009 4:47 pm
... Hi Kevin Glad to have you on board. I think the issue of focusing on the right opportunities or issues is a process thing rather than for an individual to...
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David Peterson
dpeterson72
Jun 12, 2009 4:50 pm
Sorry, I should know not to make silly generalisations like that! I think the problem is that most of the "business analysts" that I've worked with have been...
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David Peterson
dpeterson72
Jun 12, 2009 4:54 pm
Personally, if I were a developer, I wouldn't want to get involved in every little decision. It would be a real waste of my time. David 2009/6/12...
