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Fritz:
You are right when you said that the use of Tagalog was snot forced on others. The use of that language has dominated the Philippine landscape because of entrepreneuring spirits. The Tagalogs have created cinemas, radio broadcasts, et cetera in the spirit of competition which they have prevailed.
If you have the resource to propagate your culture, your chance of success is greater than those who have no means to do it.
I also will acknowledge that the propagation of the Tagalog language also had received assistance from the Philippine government especially during the time of President Quezon who was a Taga-ilog. But after him there were no more Tagalog presidents and if the non-Tagalog presidents were thinking of their own culture and ethnicities, they would have followed the e xample of President Quezon in making Tagalog a worldwide language in the RP. But they did not and up to these days, I do not know why they did not do it. Now non Taga-ilogs blame the Taga-ilogs for the official support of the Tagalog languages. They should really pressure their own politicians, and now President Macapagal to make the Kampanpangan language more than the Tagalog language in popularity and usage.
So the blame is for those non-Tagalog presidents to not follow the footsteps of President Quezon, the lone Tagalog president of the RP.
Of course President Aguinaldo was also a Taga-ilog, but the presidency did not last very long. Had it lasted long, I would suspect that the Tagalog language as well as Spanish would have been the official languages of the RP.
Eddie
From: Fritz Acuna <fritzacuna7@...>
To: bob manasan <bobmanasan@...>
Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:48:58 AM
Subject: Re: Central and federal governments and the effects on separation
Ah Bobby Dearest (to use Anita's words),
I am not talking about teaching the Igorots and the Aetas and all the other non tagalog speaking Pinoy Tagalog.
Without forcing them to learn Tagalog, they get to understand Tagalog by their exposure to the print media, radio and the movies
that are done in Tagalog.
Whether we like it or not having a "common language" whether learned in school or by mearly watching the movies is a uniting factor in a country that has a lot of different languages. Since it is not economically feasible to have movies,newspaper etc. in each dialect in the country, Tagalog oe English will do for now.
Bobby, you ask, "don't we wonder how the older generations of the igorots, the aetas and the tausugs, etc. feel about seeing and hearing their children speaking tagalog and forgetting their own native languages, sooner, if not later?"
I was about 6 years old when we moved to the nTagalog speaking Manila from the Ilongo speaking Iloilo. After all these years I am still tonto pa rin as I still speak fluent Ilongo?
Fritz
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:27 AM, bob manasan <bobmanasan@...> wrote:
Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise',"1. The use of Tagalog in movies, prints and radio broadcast all over the country give the country a commonality which
would have been impossible if there is no communication between our inhabitants." - Fritz
don't we wonder how the older generations of the igorots, the aetas and the tausugs, etc. feel about seeing and hearing their children speaking tagalog and forgetting their own native languages, sooner, if not later? i know that some patriotic tagalogs don't like their children being taught in english. are the feelings of the elders in our various indigenous ethnic groups the same about the teaching of tagalog to their children? should or did anyone care about their feelings? is it right for the americans to teach the american indian children in english so there is communication between their inhabitants? is tagalog for all our different indigenous ethnic groups the correct choice of language? who chose it for them and why?
bobby
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:55:59 -0700
From: placido05@...
Subject: Re: Central and federal governments and the effects on separation To: bobmanasan@...; fritzacuna7@...
CC:It is really something to think of our country having two major religions that are different, different ethnicities, different political philosophies and still no successful secession has gained major momentum to predict success.Fritz analysis, and by the way Fritz is an Ilonggo, and not a Taga-ilog. But he has able to make an unbiased analysis why our country has remained one and quoting his reasonings below:I think that the "oneness" of the Philipinnes in spite of our many differences can be attributed to several factors.1. The use of Tagalog in movies, prints and radio broadcast all over the country give the country a commonality whichwould have been impossible if there is no communication between our inhabitants.2. The free movement of people and the eaze in traveling the country help in keeping us together.3. The freedom of religion specially in not forcing the muslim to convert to Christianity hhelp in keeping us together.4. The "they may be crooks" but they are our crooks mentality in addressing corruption all over the country help in keepingus together.
Eddie
From: bob manasan <bobmanasan@...>
To: Fritz Acuna <fritzacuna7@...>; placido05@...
Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:27:33 AM
Subject: RE: Central and federal governments and the effects on separation
"By the way who wrote the lenghty petition for the US congress to take us as a part of the US?" - Fritz
here's what the book says, fritz:
"Later on, in their own country, they gave me a copy of the petition they brought. They had drafted it in council with the other chiefs of their peoples. And Alvarez had set it into English, from the Arabic, with scrupulous exactitude. Probably not another man within their reach could or would have done them that service. The signatures on the paper carry final weight as to authority, for they represent the dictum of the several Moro peoples.
Since my return to America word has reached me of the sudden death of Alvarez. His last letter contained this passage:
"What power General Wood has--and it is not one-tenth of what it should be--cannot be used to aid this unhappy country without a storm of protest being raised and much dust thrown in the eyes of America. No power but the United States Congress can now save a people standing on the threshold of extermination. I have done what I could and somehow I feel that my end is near. My hope now is that you--remembering what you have seen here--will tell America."
So the Moros, to-day, are leaderless--friendless--children beset by pitfalls--hunted and betrayed, with no man to save them from the cunning of their mortal enemy."
Isles of Fear, by Katherine Mayo, 1925, pp. 333-339
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300901h.html
are also mixed blood individuals known as Filipino mestizos.
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The Philippines has over 180 indigenous ethnic groups, over half of which also represent unique linguistic groups. There have been some intermarriages between indigenous peoples, and foreigners migrating to the Philippines as colonizers, and immigrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_ethnic_group
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Languages of the Philippines
In the Philippines, there are over 170 languages, almost all of them belonging to the Austronesian language family. Of all of these languages, only 2 are considered official in the country, at least 10 are considered major and at least 8 are considered co-official.
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Indigenous languages
According to Ethnologue, a total of 171 native languages are spoken in the country. Except for English, Spanish, Hokkien (Lan-nang), Cantonese, Mandarin, and Chavacano, all of the languages belong to the Malayo-Polynesian language family.
There are 13 indigenous languages with at least one million native speakers: Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilokano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Kapampangan, Bikol, Albay Bikol, Pangasinan, Maranao, Maguindanao, Kinaray-a, and Tausug. One or more of these is spoken natively by more than 90% of the population.
A Philippine language family identified by Robert Blust is nearly synonymous with the Malayo-Polynesian languages of the Philippines. The differences are that the family includes languages of north Sulawesi and the Yami language of Taiwan, but excludes the Sama-Bajaw languages of the Sulu Archipelago as well as a couple North Bornean languages spoken in southern Palawan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Languages
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:18:33 -0700
From: placido05@...
Subject: Re: Postal mails from you
To: maxfabella@...
CC: napcasambre@...; fritzacuna7@...; rosigs2003@...; bobmanasan@...
That word moderation is fully loaded. Will that term apply and/or extend also to a Senior citizen married to a young woman?Incidentally, I received the package from you with Rizal the Historian and your book on Aunt Auring. Let me know how much I owe for them and the amount of postage.I will spend my week-end re-reading your Papa's book and for your book I glanced on the pictures and seeing your Papa's pictures brought old memories that made me wish that I could come back to 1959 when I first had your Papa as my professor. I already requested our local library for a copy of your Papa's book as I was really eager to re-read it and then share his ideas to the cyberspace friends if the nationalism topic surfaces again. If it comes, I will just return it.The year 1959 was also the year when the Philippine Nationalism Club was created at the UP and I was one of the pioneer members. Our movement led us to petition the Philippine Congress to recognise June 12 as our true independence day with your Papa as the creator of the idea and the movement.Eddie
From: Max Fabella <maxfabella@...>
To: Placido Calderon <placido05@...>
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 10:05:09 AM
Subject: Re: Postal mails from you
From: Placido Calderon <placido05@...>
Subject: Re: Postal mails from you
To: "Nap Casambre" <napcasambre@...>
Cc: maxfabella@...
Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:00 PM
How about it Max!Eddie
From: Nap Casambre <napcasambre@...>
To: Max Fabella <maxfabella@...>
Cc: placido05@...
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Postal mails from you
Max:I wish you would tell me behind the curtains your anti-aging secret. I'm now in the advanced old age category, whereas you are in the middle old age group.Nap
From: eddie aaa calderon <eaaac@...>
To: Max Fabella <maxfabella@...>
Cc: Nap Casambre <napcasambre@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:20:00 PM
I wash my mouth out with chocolate.
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