Hi all,

I have kind of an esoteric request but...no ask...no get.  So, here
goes.  I'm looking for an online survey tool like Zoomerang or Survey
Monkey which supports Japanese text.  I'm in kind of a rush so,
PLEASE shoot me a note if you know anything.

Thanks!

Shanti

-----Original Message-----
From: stearsusan [mailto:smstearman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:55 PM
To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook

RE: "All those years in prod mgmt. and an MBA have amounted to
nothing."
Please don't believe this. Listen to what Rich has to say. The
economic world is cyclical. We have lived through these downturns
(recessions) in the past and we will see them in the future. Take
heart from those of us who have survived these kinds of times. Take
stock of what you have, what you want and do what you can to survive
until the upturn occurs.

The upturn will happen and you will again feel valued by the ecomonic
structure and you will again get caught up in the latest growth
excitement and you will again get lulled into thinking that things
will always be good and you will again be "betrayed" when the
following downturn happens. This is the way of life.

Since we all can't be millionaires, our best strategy is to gather as
much as possible during the good times to keep us comfortable in the
lean times.
Enjoy your life. You are worth more than your current job title. Give
of yourself and your skills to less fortunate. And be assured that
things will get better.

_Susan

--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., "richguha"
<RichGuha@a...> wrote:
> This is my fourth recession.  There is a pattern - a recession
every
> 9-10 years, big ones every 18, really big ones every 54
(Kondratieff
> cycle -http://www.gmsresearch.com/kwave.htm).  We are just cycling
> around "normality" - it takes a month to find a job for every $20K
> you are seeking; keep available cash for 6-12 months living
expenses;
> changing careers is harder during a recession aince employers are
> playing it safe by hiring people who have done the same job for the
> past ten years!  Product Management is not going to disappear - it
is
> worse to be in HR.  If healthcare and biotech keeps expanding they
> will have to hire form outside the industry because there is
already
> a shortage arising.
>

> >



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RE: "All those years in prod mgmt. and an MBA have amounted to
nothing."
Please don't believe this. Listen to what Rich has to say. The
economic world is cyclical. We have lived through these downturns
(recessions) in the past and we will see them in the future. Take
heart from those of us who have survived these kinds of times. Take
stock of what you have, what you want and do what you can to survive
until the upturn occurs.

The upturn will happen and you will again feel valued by the ecomonic
structure and you will again get caught up in the latest growth
excitement and you will again get lulled into thinking that things
will always be good and you will again be "betrayed" when the
following downturn happens. This is the way of life.

Since we all can't be millionaires, our best strategy is to gather as
much as possible during the good times to keep us comfortable in the
lean times.
Enjoy your life. You are worth more than your current job title. Give
of yourself and your skills to less fortunate. And be assured that
things will get better.

_Susan

--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., "richguha"
<RichGuha@a...> wrote:
> This is my fourth recession.  There is a pattern - a recession
every
> 9-10 years, big ones every 18, really big ones every 54
(Kondratieff
> cycle -http://www.gmsresearch.com/kwave.htm).  We are just cycling
> around "normality" - it takes a month to find a job for every $20K
> you are seeking; keep available cash for 6-12 months living
expenses;
> changing careers is harder during a recession aince employers are
> playing it safe by hiring people who have done the same job for the
> past ten years!  Product Management is not going to disappear - it
is
> worse to be in HR.  If healthcare and biotech keeps expanding they
> will have to hire form outside the industry because there is
already
> a shortage arising.
>

> >

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-----Original Message-----
From: dpowers_gator [mailto:dpowers@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:34 AM
To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spmdiscuss] Salary and benefits expectations

In this current economy can anyone give me a range for salary and
benefits for a director level position with a startup company that
has recently received VC funding.  This is for a company with the
mainstay product plays in the EAI space.  There are several other
products that will be managed as well.  Finally this is for the
Denver market.  Thanks in advance.

In this current economy can anyone give me a range for salary and
benefits for a director level position with a startup company that
has recently received VC funding.  This is for a company with the
mainstay product plays in the EAI space.  There are several other
products that will be managed as well.  Finally this is for the
Denver market.  Thanks in advance.

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This is my fourth recession.  There is a pattern - a recession every
9-10 years, big ones every 18, really big ones every 54 (Kondratieff
cycle -http://www.gmsresearch.com/kwave.htm).  We are just cycling
around "normality" - it takes a month to find a job for every $20K
you are seeking; keep available cash for 6-12 months living expenses;
changing careers is harder during a recession aince employers are
playing it safe by hiring people who have done the same job for the
past ten years!  Product Management is not going to disappear - it is
worse to be in HR.  If healthcare and biotech keeps expanding they
will have to hire form outside the industry because there is already
a shortage arising.

--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., Natalie Goldstein
<natgold@e...> wrote:
> I, too am feeling quite pessimistic about the market and the future
of
> product mgmt...
>
> I left the Bay Area in January and moved to Raleigh, NC.  I had
been
> unemployed in the Bay Area since March 2001 and had to sell my
townhouse
> and leave the area.  I picked Raleigh because I thought it would be
a good
> place to be that still had a high tech future when the economy got
better.
>
> It's as depressed here (and maybe more) than in CA.
>
> Soooooo many people are out of work with the layoffs at Nortel,
IBM, etc.
>
> Biotech is huge here, but if you don't have a biotech,
pharmaceutical
> background and/or a life sciences degree then they won't talk to
you.
>
> All those years in prod mgmt. and an MBA have amounted to nothing.

My two or perhaps four cents (inflation ...)

Forecasts by their nature rely on educated guesses and judgment calls.  IDC
certainly bases its forecasts on macro economic trends plus surveys of IT
shops, etc.  If the survey data is old or unreliable, then the forecasts
would have to be questioned.  Old in this case could be only 3-6 months.
Three or six months ago, people were anticipating an economic recovery and
may have given answers based on those assumptions.

Also, please note that security is an "expense" to most companies' IT
budgets.  It doesn't in most cases, by itself either increase revenues or
decrease costs.  The cost benefits are usually "speculative" in that they
depends on avoidance of events that most people, deep down, don't think will
happen to them.  In my own personal experience, even people who should know
better, such as banks, don't see an issue with simple, reusable passwords.
That's pathetic, but that is my firsthand experience.

Also, security is part of an overall IT budget.  IT is generally a capital
budget item as well as an operating item.  When profits are thin, as they
are now, and corporate debt levels are high, as they are now, then capital
budgets and even operating budgets get squeezed.  If the CEO has the choice
of funding a new snazzy e-commerce application or strenghtening security,
guess which way the CEO decides?

Security will get better only when the overall IT marketplace gets better.
Also remember that security is a business-to-business transaction.  Except
for anti-virus software, there is no consumer component to this marketplace.
So you can't look to a consumer-led recovery to help security companies get
healthier.

Just my four cents.

Phil Burton

Internet Security Product Management/Product Marketing

(650) 494 0970
(650) 766 9970 cell
phil@...


--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., "rsummerville"
<rsummerville@y...> wrote:
I attended an IDC conference a few months ago and they expect
enterprise security to be very strong over the next 5 years.  That
doesn't explain why so many security companies are struggling just to
stay alive.  Tough to say what the next big thing will be.  Embedded
computing, perhaps?  Wi-Fi (WLAN) seems promising, especially when
you consider the growth of broadband in homes.
Sorry to be a downer, but I have real concerns over the Bay
Area...unemployment is still very high and maybe rising, avg income
levels are decreasing, yet home prices are still increasing while
rents are decreasing.  The high cost of living and congestion make an
unattractive combo for start-ups.  It's hard to make any sense of it,
but seems like something has to give eventually and I'm afraid things
could get worse here.  Can anyone recommend other tech cities that
are about to blossom? Or, tell me why my fears about the Bay Area are
overblown.

--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., Spinacia
<spinacia@h...> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> I agree the job market outlook isn't encouraging at all but if I
understand
> correctly, you are implying that we should wait it out.  I fee that
waiting
> it out won't work because the job market has shrunk to a very low
point,
> which means many won't find work in their old profession.
>
> Perhaps we can be proactive about this situation.  For example,
what will
> the next business frontier be: wireless? security? internet? CRM?
>
> If we knew where the next boom would be, then we can study or
prepare our
> skills for it.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Spinacia
>
>
>
>
> > From: Paul King <plking@y...>
> > Reply-To: plking@y...
> > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y...
> > Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook
> >
> >
> > it's hard to tell right now what 6 months will bring,
> > but the indicators arent good.  in the past 6 years, i
> > could easily find a quality job within a month but
> > i've put 20X the effort into my job search as I have
> > in the past with nothing to show.
> >
> > don't mean to be doom and gloom about this but this is
> > what i'm seeing.  i can't imagine a 180 degree
> > reversal in only six months.
> >
> > -paul
> >
> >
--- End forwarded message ---

I, too am feeling quite pessimistic about the market and the future of
product mgmt...

I left the Bay Area in January and moved to Raleigh, NC.  I had been
unemployed in the Bay Area since March 2001 and had to sell my townhouse
and leave the area.  I picked Raleigh because I thought it would be a good
place to be that still had a high tech future when the economy got better.

It's as depressed here (and maybe more) than in CA.

Soooooo many people are out of work with the layoffs at Nortel, IBM, etc.

Biotech is huge here, but if you don't have a biotech, pharmaceutical
background and/or a life sciences degree then they won't talk to you.

All those years in prod mgmt. and an MBA have amounted to nothing.

I don't trust IDC and the likes of them anymore.  There is too much self
interest and manipulation in the background by corporate powers.

In 1998 Forester claimed the eCommerce domain, and I mean the software and
tools - not the volume of transactions, will grow exponentially till 2004.
They also claimed that eCommerce will dominate the software industry and
will drive all the adjacent fields such as security, online marketing and
advertising...:-)

I have great concerns about the *entire* hi-tech sector nationwide and not
specifically to the bay area.  Hi-tech will continue to dominate the nasdaq,
business news headlines and our lives, but the direction of change it has
taken and the internal trends shaping its future is the key I am trying to
figure out.

Most of us have invested too much time and talent in product management.  I
don't see the core of us being able to start a new career.  This means we
must do SOMETING to master our destiny, but what???


Thanks,
Spinacia




> From: "rsummerville" <rsummerville@...>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:16:08 -0000
> To: Spinacia <spinacia@...>
> Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook
>
> I attended an IDC conf a few months back and they see lots of oppy in
> enterprise security over the next five years.  Of course, that
> doesn't explain why security companies are struggling to stay alive.
> Who knows what the next big thing will be???  Embedded computing,
> maybe?  Don't want to sound doom and gloom but I have real concerns
> about the Bay Area...unemployment is still high, income levels are
> dropping, yet home prices are still on the rise and rents are
> dropping.  Hard to make any sense of it, but seems like something has
> to break. Can anyone recommend another tech city waiting to blossom?
>
> --- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., Spinacia
> <spinacia@h...> wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> I agree the job market outlook isn't encouraging at all but if I
> understand
>> correctly, you are implying that we should wait it out.  I fee that
> waiting
>> it out won't work because the job market has shrunk to a very low
> point,
>> which means many won't find work in their old profession.
>>
>> Perhaps we can be proactive about this situation.  For example,
> what will
>> the next business frontier be: wireless? security? internet? CRM?
>>
>> If we knew where the next boom would be, then we can study or
> prepare our
>> skills for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Spinacia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Paul King <plking@y...>
>>> Reply-To: plking@y...
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y...
>>> Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook
>>>
>>>
>>> it's hard to tell right now what 6 months will bring,
>>> but the indicators arent good.  in the past 6 years, i
>>> could easily find a quality job within a month but
>>> i've put 20X the effort into my job search as I have
>>> in the past with nothing to show.
>>>
>>> don't mean to be doom and gloom about this but this is
>>> what i'm seeing.  i can't imagine a 180 degree
>>> reversal in only six months.
>>>
>>> -paul
>>>
>>>
>
>

I attended an IDC conference a few months ago and they expect
enterprise security to be very strong over the next 5 years.  That
doesn't explain why so many security companies are struggling just to
stay alive.  Tough to say what the next big thing will be.  Embedded
computing, perhaps?  Wi-Fi (WLAN) seems promising, especially when
you consider the growth of broadband in homes.
Sorry to be a downer, but I have real concerns over the Bay
Area...unemployment is still very high and maybe rising, avg income
levels are decreasing, yet home prices are still increasing while
rents are decreasing.  The high cost of living and congestion make an
unattractive combo for start-ups.  It's hard to make any sense of it,
but seems like something has to give eventually and I'm afraid things
could get worse here.  Can anyone recommend other tech cities that
are about to blossom? Or, tell me why my fears about the Bay Area are
overblown.

--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., Spinacia
<spinacia@h...> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> I agree the job market outlook isn't encouraging at all but if I
understand
> correctly, you are implying that we should wait it out.  I fee that
waiting
> it out won't work because the job market has shrunk to a very low
point,
> which means many won't find work in their old profession.
>
> Perhaps we can be proactive about this situation.  For example,
what will
> the next business frontier be: wireless? security? internet? CRM?
>
> If we knew where the next boom would be, then we can study or
prepare our
> skills for it.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Spinacia
>
>
>
>
> > From: Paul King <plking@y...>
> > Reply-To: plking@y...
> > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y...
> > Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook
> >
> >
> > it's hard to tell right now what 6 months will bring,
> > but the indicators arent good.  in the past 6 years, i
> > could easily find a quality job within a month but
> > i've put 20X the effort into my job search as I have
> > in the past with nothing to show.
> >
> > don't mean to be doom and gloom about this but this is
> > what i'm seeing.  i can't imagine a 180 degree
> > reversal in only six months.
> >
> > -paul
> >
> >

Hi,
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Thanks.


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Hi Paul,
I agree the job market outlook isn't encouraging at all but if I understand
correctly, you are implying that we should wait it out.  I fee that waiting
it out won't work because the job market has shrunk to a very low point,
which means many won't find work in their old profession.

Perhaps we can be proactive about this situation.  For example, what will
the next business frontier be: wireless? security? internet? CRM?

If we knew where the next boom would be, then we can study or prepare our
skills for it.



Thanks,
Spinacia




> From: Paul King <plking@...>
> Reply-To: plking@...
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT)
> To: softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [spmdiscuss] Re: Career/job market outlook
>
>
> it's hard to tell right now what 6 months will bring,
> but the indicators arent good.  in the past 6 years, i
> could easily find a quality job within a month but
> i've put 20X the effort into my job search as I have
> in the past with nothing to show.
>
> don't mean to be doom and gloom about this but this is
> what i'm seeing.  i can't imagine a 180 degree
> reversal in only six months.
>
> -paul
>
>

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2C912701

Plenty of Job Sites, But Where Are the Jobs?

In this context almost certainly Consumer Packaged Goods - like Steve
Balmer; Jeffrey Immelt; Scott Cook; Steve Case,etc.  Like Steve
Balmer, Scott Cook, Steve Case, Jefrey Immelt, etc


--- In softwareproductmarketingdiscussion@y..., Saeed Khan
<saeed_w_khan@y...> wrote:
> Try
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=cpg
>
> Saeed
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

it's hard to tell right now what 6 months will bring,
but the indicators arent good.  in the past 6 years, i
could easily find a quality job within a month but
i've put 20X the effort into my job search as I have
in the past with nothing to show.

don't mean to be doom and gloom about this but this is
what i'm seeing.  i can't imagine a 180 degree
reversal in only six months.

-paul


__________________________________________________
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hi there,

i was wondering what the marketing people out there thought of the job
market for career changers into marketing 6-12 months down the line. i know,
given the current indicators, it is difficult predicting 3 months down the
line, leave alone 6+ months! nonetheless, i was interested in hearing some
views.

for e.g., i am a recent mba (concentration in marketing) graduate. i worked
5 years in IT departments building enterprise solutions and understanding
requirements for CRM solutions. post mba, i was hoping to get into a
enterprise software firm as a product manager/marketeer. in my view, my past
experience and strong technical background, combined with my mba would have
been a good combination. also, the mba would have allowed me to make the
career and industry transition by getting into that entry-level, new
graduate positon.

of course, all this has fallen apart now with the tight market conditions.
but i am still hopeful (wishful?) of making the transition, and was curious
when people thought the market conditions would be more favorable? would
love to hear some opinions/advice.

thanking you and with regards,
-sinham

It usually does mean consumer package goods.  I suspect the company may be
coming out with a tech product in the consumer marketplace (B2C) and wants
someone with experience
marketing to consumers and building brand equity the way Pepsico or General
Mills do.

Valerie Curl



>    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:21:50 -0400
>    From: "Michael Moore" <moore_md@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: career/ what does "CPG" mean?
>
> I am not sure, but maybe CPG=Consumer Package Goods?
>
> Michael Moore
>   ----- Original Message -----
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>   Subject: [spmdiscuss] RE: career/ what does "CPG" mean?
>
>   "Client prefers experience in CPG and technical industry"
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Perhaps some of you have seen the 80's movie with Michael J. Fox - "The
Secret of My Success".
In it Michael J. Fox goes looking for a job and when denied one for lack of
experience he laments: "I can't get a job because I don't have experience,
but I can't build experience without having a job!".

Indeed a vicious circle which seems to have manifested itself dramatically
these days, and clearly evident when viewing the Minimum Requirements
section of current job openings.

Employers now seek super candidates who have: many years of narrowly focused
experience + top rated MBA school + work history with specific fortune 500
companies + more............

Well, in lieu of Mayflower ancestry and such, what are regular product
managers to do? I am referring to those who can do the job but don't have
the pedigree. Those who have only four years experience and so forth.

What are their options? What can they do to get a job in today's market
conditions? What are those who are entry level, limited experience or mixed
experienced to do?


Thanks,
Spinacia

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From: Cynthia Typaldos

To: SW Prod Mktng Discussion

Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 2:11 AM

Subject: [spmdiscuss] RE: career/ what does "CPG" mean?

"Client prefers experience in CPG and technical industry" 

In this job posting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softwareproductmarketing/message/274

 

Thanks.

 

Cynthia

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Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Just FYI, some information about the jobs I post on the
softwareproductmarketing job list and some feedback from job posters.

About half of the jobs I post are sent to me directly by the recruiter, HR
person, or hiring manager.

The other half I find on other job boards and I ALWAYS ask the poster for
permission to re-post.  Most of the time the poster says "sure" but
sometimes the poster says "no".  The most common reason that they ask me not
to re-post is that they already have *hundreds" of resumes and are still
sorting through them, or worse, their email crashed.  The other less common
reason where a poster says no is the job has somehow disappeared because the
company changed its mind, CEO got canned, or there was a big re-org and
things are being sorted out.  This happens a LOT in this volatile economy.
Rarely do they say the job has already been filled.  (The standard email
request I send is below my signature.)

A recruiter did call me today about a job that was posted a day or two ago
on this eGroup (softwareproductmarketing) to express her pleasure with the
high quality of candidates from this eGroup, and stated that these
candidates are a much better fit than those from other boards they use.  The
jobs are for hi-tech product managers and a director, here in the SF Bay
Area.

Thought you would all find this interesting, maybe useful.  I personally
wish recruiters would give candidates a better way to differentiate
themselves.  Working off resumes alone when there are hundreds of them makes
it difficult for the best candidates to rise to the top, in my opinion.  I
am hoping that over time this eGroup will become the first target for all
new hi-tech marketing positions, especially those in software product
marketing and management. I believe the quality and great specific
experience of people on this list will make that happen.

I am posting this note in both the job eGroup (softwareproductmarketing) and
the discussion eGroup (softwareproductmarketingdiscussion) but in the future
I will generally post only jobs to the first group, and place all of the
other posts, including those about the job market, in the second group.
Those of you who have not signed up for the second group can find the link
at the bottom of my signature.  And, those of you who *clamored* for the
discussion group should start discussing!

Cynthia
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My standard email to request re-posting of a job from another source, that
is, a job that is not sent to me personally.

Dear poster-of-appropriate-marketing-job,

Would you like me to post this position to my softwareproductmarketing
egroup? There are nearly 1,000 hi-tech marketing professionals in the
egroup. The link to the egroup is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softwareproductmarketing.
Attachments and HTML formatted information is fine.

No charge; it's my way of giving back to the community.

Feel free to send me additional hi-tech marketing or business development
jobs for posting to this list. Job location should be specified, and whether
or not you will consider out-of-region candidates.

Please be sure your emailbox is not full, and has enough open storage to
accept a significant amount of new resumes.

Cynthia





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Last spring I begin training to be a product manager at my previous
company which does WAN engineering and management in the east bay. I
loved it and was working on a security service developement, but was
laid off in Dec. Now I would like to try and get a "junior" position
within wireless, networking, security, or even back into my field of
study - biotechnology.
Any advice on what position titles I should look for to get my foot
in the door?

-----Original Message-----
From: Cynthia Typaldos [mailto:cynthia@...]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:49 PM
To: SW Prod Mktng Discussion
Subject: [spmdiscuss] Discussion eGroup now open!

Hi everyone,

 

Congratulations! You are  all  "charter members" of the softwareproductmarketing sibling eGroup, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/softwareproductmarketingdiscussion, for member discussions.

 

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As you use this new eGroup and think of ways to improve it, please send me your thoughts via email.

 

Cynthia

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