TO: ALL
Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
warming!
God's Speed
John Myers
S/V Y KNOT
I have 3 sails for my roller furler. Changing a roller furler sail on
most furlers is no big deal. We used to do it underway routinely.
The furler has a foil which improves the sail shape. Racers use what is
basically a roller furler without the drum on the bottom. Another
advantage of a furler is that most have two tracks so that you can raise
one sail while the other sail is still up and working. Then lower the
old sail all in the shadow of the other sail.
Unfortunately for me, when I needed to replace my furler, I purchased a
CDI because it was the cheapest by far.
The CDI has an internal halyard instead of using your jib halyard. This
solves the problem of lines wrapping at the top of the foretay BUT - To
change sails you have to add a messenger line and risk loosing your
halyard to the top of the mast. It takes multiple people at the bow to
do this. Sail changes are now done only at the dock.
I am sure someone will say that it can be done underway and that is true
but it is such a pain in the A... that I don't bother.
God's Speed,
John Myers,
Currently sailing stormy Lake Huron.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] Re: Asymetrical Installation W29 / 27, Mainsheet
> Installation
> From: "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...>
> Date: Tue, July 28, 2009 8:16 pm
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Alan,
> I did not try heat, but that is certainly a valid approach. Bi-metal
corrosion is what I have - it is possible that heat will break the bond, and
I'll give a try if I decide that roller-furling is okay. I'm still not certain
at all that it is the cruising mode for me, though.
> I like the roller furling, but... I really don't like a couple of aspects of
it:
> 1. I don't like the idea that if I get a large enough headsail to move the
boat in light air, I can't effectively reduce the size of the sail enough to
sail flat in high winds. Sailing flat in high winds also allows you to claw off
of a lee shore when needed because you will have more lateral resistance with
your keel, and your sails will deliver more forward drive because the have a
good shape.
> 2. If I get a headsail (like the 100 percent I have now) that is small enough
to reduce effectively for heavy air, it really won't move the boat in light air.
> 3. I don't like the idea of lines and shackles fouling at the crane, creating
chafe or becoming impossible to lower the sail.
> All of this is solved by using hank-on sails of varying sizes. You can even
have large sails built that can be slab-reefed like your main. The extra sail
bags take up room, but that is what all that space under/behind the cockpit is
for, right?
> Rick in Washington DC
> '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
> >
> > Rick, here's the trick to get the screws out. I had a friend who kept
telling me to heat them but I was just sure that the parts under the foil and
the foil could not take that treatment. I think Harken even said to do that but
by the time I was ready to remove it from the headstay it was MN COLD so I tried
a screw, came right out and another and another till I finally encountered one
that was hard to take out. Had to be careful not to strip the head but I got
it. So if you can cool it down to about zero F it should work! Now you can
start laughing. I later talked to my friend where he told me that is another
way to get thread locker loose but I think it may have had more to do with
bimetal corrosion between the stainless and the aluminum. Also a common problem
happens during assembly during which improper speed is used and the stainless
threads go through "galling" of cold welding which means they didn't set
properly and they become nearly impossible to disassemble. Harken even warns of
this in my instructions saying to use a manual screwdriver but also to use a
drop of thread locker and the correct thread locker that can be disassembled. I
have seen employees at marinas and boat yards using electric screwdrivers to
assemble these since Harken is so popular here in MN right next door to their
home in WI. It may all come down to throwing the whole thing away, something
that I think is a great waste but our society seems to think is OK.
> > Alan.
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan,
> > >
> > > You're a wise man. And, obviously, you value your wife's company in your
sailing adventures - enough to not drive her off the boat with excessive heel.
I share your attitude in this.
> > >
> > > I have tried in the last few years to take the foil off of the head stay.
I'm here to tell you, those little stainless screws have welded themselves to
the aluminum foil, and they are NOT coming out with destroying the foil. PB
Blaster or no, those screws are in there for good. That headstay and
foil/furler must be 20 years old. That makes me nervous. It's probably just
fine, but I can't inspect the joints or the wire to be certain. I also don't
want a head sail that won't come down when it absolutely has to. I'm thinking
more and more that I can put up with the inconvenience of hank-on sails - and
get better sail shape in the long run.
> > >
> > > Ruth and I harbor dreams of spending a year or two cruising when the Navy
has had enough of me. The boat we have is paid for, and I'm very familiar with
it's systems, faults, strengths, etc. The more certain I am of every part of
the boat, the more confident I feel about it's seaworthiness.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As was said in another reply the head stay under my Harken was in
better shape than any other standing rigging on our W-33 when I took it apart.
It is possible to take a Harken apart and reassemble it but it is one of those
tasks that the faint of heart should not tackle. I can say that they do not
intend for the Harken to be taken apart frequently. All the thread locker
involved convinced me. It helped that I had the original book and that Harken
people were willing to talk to me about it.
> > > > Rick I too am going to leave the harken in the garage for awhile
and try the boat with my many hank on sails. A major reason for this is that my
wife does not enjoy heel on a boat she is not familiar with so I plan to use
smaller than typical sail at first that do not hoist anywhere near as high so
she can get real comfortable with the sailing manners of what I know to be a
well mannered boat.
> > > > Alan W. Chief of the boat, S/V Prairie Schooner under Captain
Marge. Please note the demotion to enlisted ranks. It seems I have been
drafted. Or maybe it's the Scottish in me.
> > > >
> > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been tacking my chute to the bow pulpit - I know it's unorthodox,
but it works. I have extra "holes," though, in my stemhead fitting that could
be used with the appropriate shackle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a different idea - no, it's an old idea. My old Harken furler
still works fairly well, but for how long, I can't tell. And, it is impossible
to assess the condition of the headstay underneath the foil, and under the drum.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am considering, when ordering new sails, of converting BACK to
hank-on sails. Advantages are obvious: Sail size can be changed more
appropriately, and I can use a larger headsail than I am comfortable with on a
roller-furler. When the wind pipes up, I can set an 80% jib, reef down the
main, and sail level. Additionally, I KNOW the sails will go up and down on the
headstay, whereas I've had a few difficult moments with the Harken furler. I
don't want ANY difficulty when I HAVE to get the sail down or else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drawbacks: I can't sit in the cockpit and relax as much; it IS safer
to deal with headsail changes from the cockpit (as long as your gear works
correctly).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, it's a matter of convenience and safety - more convenient to
roller-furl, and safer from the cockpit, but safer to hank-on for rig
inspection, and changing to appropriate sized sails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick in Washington DC
> > > > > '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "ejjawhite595" <ejjawhite595@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I have a W29 (1st year of ownership) and I'd be interested in
knowing where people are tacking down their asymetrical sails and how they run
their sheets/halyards etc.. To me the only acceptable place to tack down the
sail would be on the bowsprit, forward of the RF. That means drilling through
and mounting a padeye, which is jnot something I object to. I just want to get
ideas from others with experience on this boat. Pictures owuld be great
> > > > > > ( ejjawhite595@ ).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also am not pleased with my mainsheet set-up. It consists of a
double ended mainsheet running through a fiddle block on the traveller, (no
becket) It is controlled by clutches on both port and starboard. I imagine this
was done so the sail could be trimmed from the high side of the boat, by a
person other than the skipper. I am thinking of changing over to a fiddle block
with becket and cam cleat, which would enable me to have one controlling sheet
and eliminate the need for using the clutches (far away from the helm). With
this set-up I beleive I could trim the mainsheet from the helm if need be. Has
anyone got a similar set up?? The traveller car. likewise has two control lines
that will remain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > W29 Sitara (1985 hull # 39 I beleive)
> > > > > > Hull, MA
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
John, Profurl uses your boats halyard and has a cone shaped part at the top of
the foil that prevents wrapping lines. Profurl is not cheep, but its good and
tuff. Mine on my W27 was $2000.00 installed.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Watkins] Re: Asymmetrical Installation W29 / 27, Main sheet
Installation
I have 3 sails for my roller furler. Changing a roller furler sail on
most furlers is no big deal. We used to do it underway routinely.
The furler has a foil which improves the sail shape. Racers use what is
basically a roller furler without the drum on the bottom. Another
advantage of a furler is that most have two tracks so that you can raise
one sail while the other sail is still up and working. Then lower the
old sail all in the shadow of the other sail.
Unfortunately for me, when I needed to replace my furler, I purchased a
CDI because it was the cheapest by far.
The CDI has an internal halyard instead of using your jib halyard. This
solves the problem of lines wrapping at the top of the foretay BUT - To
change sails you have to add a messenger line and risk loosing your
halyard to the top of the mast. It takes multiple people at the bow to
do this. Sail changes are now done only at the dock.
I am sure someone will say that it can be done underway and that is true
but it is such a pain in the A... that I don't bother.
God's Speed,
John Myers,
Currently sailing stormy Lake Huron.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] Re: Asymetrical Installation W29 / 27, Mainsheet
> Installation
> From: "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...>
> Date: Tue, July 28, 2009 8:16 pm
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Alan,
> I did not try heat, but that is certainly a valid approach. Bi-metal
corrosion is what I have - it is possible that heat will break the bond, and
I'll give a try if I decide that roller-furling is okay. I'm still not certain
at all that it is the cruising mode for me, though.
> I like the roller furling, but... I really don't like a couple of aspects of
it:
> 1. I don't like the idea that if I get a large enough headsail to move the
boat in light air, I can't effectively reduce the size of the sail enough to
sail flat in high winds. Sailing flat in high winds also allows you to claw off
of a lee shore when needed because you will have more lateral resistance with
your keel, and your sails will deliver more forward drive because the have a
good shape.
> 2. If I get a headsail (like the 100 percent I have now) that is small
enough to reduce effectively for heavy air, it really won't move the boat in
light air.
> 3. I don't like the idea of lines and shackles fouling at the crane,
creating chafe or becoming impossible to lower the sail.
> All of this is solved by using hank-on sails of varying sizes. You can even
have large sails built that can be slab-reefed like your main. The extra sail
bags take up room, but that is what all that space under/behind the cockpit is
for, right?
> Rick in Washington DC
> '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
> >
> > Rick, here's the trick to get the screws out. I had a friend who kept
telling me to heat them but I was just sure that the parts under the foil and
the foil could not take that treatment. I think Harken even said to do that but
by the time I was ready to remove it from the headstay it was MN COLD so I tried
a screw, came right out and another and another till I finally encountered one
that was hard to take out. Had to be careful not to strip the head but I got it.
So if you can cool it down to about zero F it should work! Now you can start
laughing. I later talked to my friend where he told me that is another way to
get thread locker loose but I think it may have had more to do with bimetal
corrosion between the stainless and the aluminum. Also a common problem happens
during assembly during which improper speed is used and the stainless threads go
through "galling" of cold welding which means they didn't set properly and they
become nearly impossible to disassemble. Harken even warns of this in my
instructions saying to use a manual screwdriver but also to use a drop of thread
locker and the correct thread locker that can be disassembled. I have seen
employees at marinas and boat yards using electric screwdrivers to assemble
these since Harken is so popular here in MN right next door to their home in WI.
It may all come down to throwing the whole thing away, something that I think is
a great waste but our society seems to think is OK.
> > Alan.
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan,
> > >
> > > You're a wise man. And, obviously, you value your wife's company in your
sailing adventures - enough to not drive her off the boat with excessive heel. I
share your attitude in this.
> > >
> > > I have tried in the last few years to take the foil off of the head
stay. I'm here to tell you, those little stainless screws have welded themselves
to the aluminum foil, and they are NOT coming out with destroying the foil. PB
Blaster or no, those screws are in there for good. That headstay and foil/furler
must be 20 years old. That makes me nervous. It's probably just fine, but I
can't inspect the joints or the wire to be certain. I also don't want a head
sail that won't come down when it absolutely has to. I'm thinking more and more
that I can put up with the inconvenience of hank-on sails - and get better sail
shape in the long run.
> > >
> > > Ruth and I harbor dreams of spending a year or two cruising when the
Navy has had enough of me. The boat we have is paid for, and I'm very familiar
with it's systems, faults, strengths, etc. The more certain I am of every part
of the boat, the more confident I feel about it's seaworthiness.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As was said in another reply the head stay under my Harken was in
better shape than any other standing rigging on our W-33 when I took it apart.
It is possible to take a Harken apart and reassemble it but it is one of those
tasks that the faint of heart should not tackle. I can say that they do not
intend for the Harken to be taken apart frequently. All the thread locker
involved convinced me. It helped that I had the original book and that Harken
people were willing to talk to me about it.
> > > > Rick I too am going to leave the harken in the garage for awhile and
try the boat with my many hank on sails. A major reason for this is that my wife
does not enjoy heel on a boat she is not familiar with so I plan to use smaller
than typical sail at first that do not hoist anywhere near as high so she can
get real comfortable with the sailing manners of what I know to be a well
mannered boat.
> > > > Alan W. Chief of the boat, S/V Prairie Schooner under Captain Marge.
Please note the demotion to enlisted ranks. It seems I have been drafted. Or
maybe it's the Scottish in me.
> > > >
> > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been tacking my chute to the bow pulpit - I know it's
unorthodox, but it works. I have extra "holes," though, in my stemhead fitting
that could be used with the appropriate shackle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a different idea - no, it's an old idea. My old Harken furler
still works fairly well, but for how long, I can't tell. And, it is impossible
to assess the condition of the headstay underneath the foil, and under the drum.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am considering, when ordering new sails, of converting BACK to
hank-on sails. Advantages are obvious: Sail size can be changed more
appropriately, and I can use a larger headsail than I am comfortable with on a
roller-furler. When the wind pipes up, I can set an 80% jib, reef down the main,
and sail level. Additionally, I KNOW the sails will go up and down on the
headstay, whereas I've had a few difficult moments with the Harken furler. I
don't want ANY difficulty when I HAVE to get the sail down or else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drawbacks: I can't sit in the cockpit and relax as much; it IS safer
to deal with headsail changes from the cockpit (as long as your gear works
correctly).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, it's a matter of convenience and safety - more convenient to
roller-furl, and safer from the cockpit, but safer to hank-on for rig
inspection, and changing to appropriate sized sails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick in Washington DC
> > > > > '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "ejjawhite595" <ejjawhite595@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I have a W29 (1st year of ownership) and I'd be interested in
knowing where people are tacking down their asymetrical sails and how they run
their sheets/halyards etc.. To me the only acceptable place to tack down the
sail would be on the bowsprit, forward of the RF. That means drilling through
and mounting a padeye, which is jnot something I object to. I just want to get
ideas from others with experience on this boat. Pictures owuld be great
> > > > > > ( ejjawhite595@ ).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also am not pleased with my mainsheet set-up. It consists of a
double ended mainsheet running through a fiddle block on the traveller, (no
becket) It is controlled by clutches on both port and starboard. I imagine this
was done so the sail could be trimmed from the high side of the boat, by a
person other than the skipper. I am thinking of changing over to a fiddle block
with becket and cam cleat, which would enable me to have one controlling sheet
and eliminate the need for using the clutches (far away from the helm). With
this set-up I beleive I could trim the mainsheet from the helm if need be. Has
anyone got a similar set up?? The traveller car. likewise has two control lines
that will remain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > W29 Sitara (1985 hull # 39 I beleive)
> > > > > > Hull, MA
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products Biminis.
I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
thread.
Dream Date's web page with new bimini
http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
John
82W27
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I'll say a prayer for you guys. Sounds allot like the weather we had in April
when we moved Finally.
Stay safe and send us more updates.
Paul L.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2009-08-02 09:52
Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
TO: ALL
Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
warming!
God's Speed
John Myers
S/V Y KNOT
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How right you are John. I had the CDI on PFM. It was nearly bullet proof, but
restricted. The Harken on Finally allow for just what you said, I just need
another sail to do it with. Stay dry and warm.
Paul L.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2009-08-02 10:12
Subject: RE: [Watkins] Re: Asymmetrical Installation W29 / 27, Main sheet
Installation
I have 3 sails for my roller furler. Changing a roller furler sail on
most furlers is no big deal. We used to do it underway routinely.
The furler has a foil which improves the sail shape. Racers use what is
basically a roller furler without the drum on the bottom. Another
advantage of a furler is that most have two tracks so that you can raise
one sail while the other sail is still up and working. Then lower the
old sail all in the shadow of the other sail.
Unfortunately for me, when I needed to replace my furler, I purchased a
CDI because it was the cheapest by far.
The CDI has an internal halyard instead of using your jib halyard. This
solves the problem of lines wrapping at the top of the foretay BUT - To
change sails you have to add a messenger line and risk loosing your
halyard to the top of the mast. It takes multiple people at the bow to
do this. Sail changes are now done only at the dock.
I am sure someone will say that it can be done underway and that is true
but it is such a pain in the A... that I don't bother.
God's Speed,
John Myers,
Currently sailing stormy Lake Huron.
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] Re: Asymetrical Installation W29 / 27, Mainsheet
> Installation
> From: "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...>
> Date: Tue, July 28, 2009 8:16 pm
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Alan,
> I did not try heat, but that is certainly a valid approach. Bi-metal
corrosion is what I have - it is possible that heat will break the bond, and
I'll give a try if I decide that roller-furling is okay. I'm still not certain
at all that it is the cruising mode for me, though.
> I like the roller furling, but... I really don't like a couple of aspects of
it:
> 1. I don't like the idea that if I get a large enough headsail to move the
boat in light air, I can't effectively reduce the size of the sail enough to
sail flat in high winds. Sailing flat in high winds also allows you to claw off
of a lee shore when needed because you will have more lateral resistance with
your keel, and your sails will deliver more forward drive because the have a
good shape.
> 2. If I get a headsail (like the 100 percent I have now) that is small
enough to reduce effectively for heavy air, it really won't move the boat in
light air.
> 3. I don't like the idea of lines and shackles fouling at the crane,
creating chafe or becoming impossible to lower the sail.
> All of this is solved by using hank-on sails of varying sizes. You can even
have large sails built that can be slab-reefed like your main. The extra sail
bags take up room, but that is what all that space under/behind the cockpit is
for, right?
> Rick in Washington DC
> '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
> >
> > Rick, here's the trick to get the screws out. I had a friend who kept
telling me to heat them but I was just sure that the parts under the foil and
the foil could not take that treatment. I think Harken even said to do that but
by the time I was ready to remove it from the headstay it was MN COLD so I tried
a screw, came right out and another and another till I finally encountered one
that was hard to take out. Had to be careful not to strip the head but I got it.
So if you can cool it down to about zero F it should work! Now you can start
laughing. I later talked to my friend where he told me that is another way to
get thread locker loose but I think it may have had more to do with bimetal
corrosion between the stainless and the aluminum. Also a common problem happens
during assembly during which improper speed is used and the stainless threads go
through "galling" of cold welding which means they didn't set properly and they
become nearly impossible to disassemble. Harken even warns of this in my
instructions saying to use a manual screwdriver but also to use a drop of thread
locker and the correct thread locker that can be disassembled. I have seen
employees at marinas and boat yards using electric screwdrivers to assemble
these since Harken is so popular here in MN right next door to their home in WI.
It may all come down to throwing the whole thing away, something that I think is
a great waste but our society seems to think is OK.
> > Alan.
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alan,
> > >
> > > You're a wise man. And, obviously, you value your wife's company in your
sailing adventures - enough to not drive her off the boat with excessive heel. I
share your attitude in this.
> > >
> > > I have tried in the last few years to take the foil off of the head
stay. I'm here to tell you, those little stainless screws have welded themselves
to the aluminum foil, and they are NOT coming out with destroying the foil. PB
Blaster or no, those screws are in there for good. That headstay and foil/furler
must be 20 years old. That makes me nervous. It's probably just fine, but I
can't inspect the joints or the wire to be certain. I also don't want a head
sail that won't come down when it absolutely has to. I'm thinking more and more
that I can put up with the inconvenience of hank-on sails - and get better sail
shape in the long run.
> > >
> > > Ruth and I harbor dreams of spending a year or two cruising when the
Navy has had enough of me. The boat we have is paid for, and I'm very familiar
with it's systems, faults, strengths, etc. The more certain I am of every part
of the boat, the more confident I feel about it's seaworthiness.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Wilson" <alancwilson51@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As was said in another reply the head stay under my Harken was in
better shape than any other standing rigging on our W-33 when I took it apart.
It is possible to take a Harken apart and reassemble it but it is one of those
tasks that the faint of heart should not tackle. I can say that they do not
intend for the Harken to be taken apart frequently. All the thread locker
involved convinced me. It helped that I had the original book and that Harken
people were willing to talk to me about it.
> > > > Rick I too am going to leave the harken in the garage for awhile and
try the boat with my many hank on sails. A major reason for this is that my wife
does not enjoy heel on a boat she is not familiar with so I plan to use smaller
than typical sail at first that do not hoist anywhere near as high so she can
get real comfortable with the sailing manners of what I know to be a well
mannered boat.
> > > > Alan W. Chief of the boat, S/V Prairie Schooner under Captain Marge.
Please note the demotion to enlisted ranks. It seems I have been drafted. Or
maybe it's the Scottish in me.
> > > >
> > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been tacking my chute to the bow pulpit - I know it's
unorthodox, but it works. I have extra "holes," though, in my stemhead fitting
that could be used with the appropriate shackle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a different idea - no, it's an old idea. My old Harken furler
still works fairly well, but for how long, I can't tell. And, it is impossible
to assess the condition of the headstay underneath the foil, and under the drum.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am considering, when ordering new sails, of converting BACK to
hank-on sails. Advantages are obvious: Sail size can be changed more
appropriately, and I can use a larger headsail than I am comfortable with on a
roller-furler. When the wind pipes up, I can set an 80% jib, reef down the main,
and sail level. Additionally, I KNOW the sails will go up and down on the
headstay, whereas I've had a few difficult moments with the Harken furler. I
don't want ANY difficulty when I HAVE to get the sail down or else.
> > > > >
> > > > > Drawbacks: I can't sit in the cockpit and relax as much; it IS safer
to deal with headsail changes from the cockpit (as long as your gear works
correctly).
> > > > >
> > > > > So, it's a matter of convenience and safety - more convenient to
roller-furl, and safer from the cockpit, but safer to hank-on for rig
inspection, and changing to appropriate sized sails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick in Washington DC
> > > > > '81 w27 in Deale, MD
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "ejjawhite595" <ejjawhite595@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, I have a W29 (1st year of ownership) and I'd be interested in
knowing where people are tacking down their asymetrical sails and how they run
their sheets/halyards etc.. To me the only acceptable place to tack down the
sail would be on the bowsprit, forward of the RF. That means drilling through
and mounting a padeye, which is jnot something I object to. I just want to get
ideas from others with experience on this boat. Pictures owuld be great
> > > > > > ( ejjawhite595@ ).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also am not pleased with my mainsheet set-up. It consists of a
double ended mainsheet running through a fiddle block on the traveller, (no
becket) It is controlled by clutches on both port and starboard. I imagine this
was done so the sail could be trimmed from the high side of the boat, by a
person other than the skipper. I am thinking of changing over to a fiddle block
with becket and cam cleat, which would enable me to have one controlling sheet
and eliminate the need for using the clutches (far away from the helm). With
this set-up I beleive I could trim the mainsheet from the helm if need be. Has
anyone got a similar set up?? The traveller car. likewise has two control lines
that will remain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > W29 Sitara (1985 hull # 39 I beleive)
> > > > > > Hull, MA
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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I bought this boat as salvage. I'm currently trying to restore her to her former
glory . I have repaired the mast and replaced all the rigging . I'm starting to
refurbish her wood work . But I have no idea what it looked like orig. so if
anyone has any pics of what the Watkins 23's wood work looks like please let me
know .
Thank you
Scott G
Great pictures John. Happy Sailing!
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Peterson
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2009-08-02 12:00
Subject: [watkins] New Bimini
A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products Biminis.
I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
thread.
Dream Date's web page with new bimini
http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
John
82W27
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John, the new top and the new upholstery look great.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: John Peterson
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:00 AM
Subject: [watkins] New Bimini
A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products Biminis.
I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
thread.
Dream Date's web page with new bimini
http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
John
82W27
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John and Cindi, I wish you better weather. Always remember a bad day on your
boat is better than a good day at work.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Lapointe
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
I'll say a prayer for you guys. Sounds allot like the weather we had in
April when we moved Finally.
Stay safe and send us more updates.
Paul L.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2009-08-02 09:52
Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
TO: ALL
Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
warming!
God's Speed
John Myers
S/V Y KNOT
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Scott, welcome to the group. Please go to the Watkins owners list and add your
boat.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: [watkins] just bought a 23 foot Watkins
I bought this boat as salvage. I'm currently trying to restore her to her
former glory . I have repaired the mast and replaced all the rigging . I'm
starting to refurbish her wood work . But I have no idea what it looked like
orig. so if anyone has any pics of what the Watkins 23's wood work looks like
please let me know .
Thank you
Scott G
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John
I know what you're dealing with. My wife, Carrie, and I are not retired yet so
we can only get away on weekends. We sail out of Sturgeon Bay, WI and like to
head north to Nicolet Bay or Washington Island. We put 250 miles on the boat in
June and almost nothing since. On the 4th of July at Washington Island we had a
high of 58 degrees with a water temp of 57. Since then it's been warmer but the
fronts are all going throught the area on the weekends. The winds this year are
really wild. This weekend we were determined to go and the original forcast was
good - 5 hour spinacker ride north on Friday night and the same back on Sunday.
As we left on Friday the forcast changed to 25 knots and seas 4-7 feet for both
Saturday and Sunday and of course on the nose. We anchored in a beautiful cove
on Friday night but called off Saturday and Sunday due to the winds and storms.
Hopefully August will make up for July. Anyway, hopefully you can enjoy the
rest of your trip!
Al and Carrie Jauquet
36W84CC Voyaguer
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <w27sail@...> wrote:
>
> John and Cindi, I wish you better weather. Always remember a bad day on your
boat is better than a good day at work.
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Lapointe
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
>
>
> I'll say a prayer for you guys. Sounds allot like the weather we had in
April when we moved Finally.
> Stay safe and send us more updates.
> Paul L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmyers@...
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2009-08-02 09:52
> Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
>
> TO: ALL
> Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> warming!
>
> God's Speed
> John Myers
> S/V Y KNOT
>
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ALL,
An update from yesterdays post:
We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
10 years.
Fair Winds!!!!!
John Myers
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> From: jdmyers@...
> Date: Sun, August 02, 2009 6:52 am
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> TO: ALL
> Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> warming!
> God's Speed
> John Myers
> S/V Y KNOT
John, if this helps its in the 90s and humid here (not much fun to sail in). Too
cold, too hot, too windy, too still, it looks like one of us could get a break.
Here's to good sailing weather. Good luck.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
ALL,
An update from yesterdays post:
We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
10 years.
Fair Winds!!!!!
John Myers
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> From: jdmyers@...
> Date: Sun, August 02, 2009 6:52 am
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> TO: ALL
> Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> warming!
> God's Speed
> John Myers
> S/V Y KNOT
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Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
Paul L.
----- Original Message -----
From: jdmyers@...
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
ALL,
An update from yesterdays post:
We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
10 years.
Fair Winds!!!!!
John Myers
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> From: jdmyers@...
> Date: Sun, August 02, 2009 6:52 am
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> TO: ALL
> Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> warming!
> God's Speed
> John Myers
> S/V Y KNOT
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I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN. IF a person needs evidence that we humans have
affected the world's climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns
of weather lately. As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger
weather in the years to come.
Alan W.
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@...> wrote:
>
> Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> Paul L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmyers@...
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
>
>
> ALL,
> An update from yesterdays post:
> We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
>
> I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
>
> If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> 10 years.
>
> Fair Winds!!!!!
> John Myers
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> > From: jdmyers@...
> > Date: Sun, August 02, 2009 6:52 am
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> > TO: ALL
> > Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> > So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> > various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> > from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> > KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> > rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> > town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> > The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> > knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> > waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> > brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> > brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> > by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> > we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> > warming!
> > God's Speed
> > John Myers
> > S/V Y KNOT
>
>
>
>
>
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>
We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love to see
what it looks like on your boat.
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "John Peterson" <john.peterson@...> wrote:
>
> A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products Biminis.
> I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
> sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
> larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
> 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
> be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
> any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
> thread.
>
>
>
> Dream Date's web page with new bimini
>
> http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
>
>
>
> John
>
> 82W27
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love to
see what it looks like on your boat.
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> >
> > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products Biminis.
> > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
> > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
> > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
> > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
> > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
> > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
> > thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> >
> > http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > 82W27
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
John, your bimini looks great. I like how it fits tight. Your upholstery looks
really nice. Such a contrast to your "before" photos.
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
>
> Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> >
> > We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love to
see what it looks like on your boat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products
Biminis.
> > > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
> > > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
> > > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
> > > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
> > > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
> > > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> > >
> > > http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > 82W27
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely that it
has been different lately...
let's not confuse the two things.
--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...>
Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
*****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's climate
all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately. *****
As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
Alan W.
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@.. .> wrote:
>
> Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> Paul L.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jdmyers@...
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
>
>
> ALL,
> An update from yesterdays post:
> We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
>
> I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
>
> If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> 10 years.
>
> Fair Winds!!!!!
> John Myers
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> > From: jdmyers@...
> > Date: Sun, August 02, 2009 6:52 am
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > TO: ALL
> > Cindi and I have been sailing Lake Huron for the past nearly two weeks.
> > So far we have made little progress with wind and storms keeping us in
> > various ports for 2 to 3 days at a time. Currently I am writing this
> > from Port Austin, Michigan sitting in the cockpit of our Watkins 25, Y
> > KNOT. The wind is blowing 12-15 knots out of the West and the boat is
> > rocking and rolling in her slip. We have been stuck here 2 days. The
> > town is nice but we have seen it all and done it all.
> > The wind is predicted to lay a little this afternoon then build to 20+
> > knots tomorrow. We plan to motor almost dead into the wind with 2-4 ft
> > waves this afternoon for an 18 mile slog back to Caseville, Mi. I
> > brought my air conditioner and two fans my mistake. I should have
> > brought my heater. We are burning candles at night for heat. Foulies
> > by day. We usually walk the beaches and swim at each port. This SUMMER
> > we need sweats or foulies to walk the beach. So much for global
> > warming!
> > God's Speed
> > John Myers
> > S/V Y KNOT
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Rick, I'm glad I'm not the only one doing stuff like that.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Ruth Bailey
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love to
see what it looks like on your boat.
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> >
> > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products
Biminis.
> > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
> > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered a
> > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered the
> > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it would
> > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect and
> > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
> > thread.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> >
> > http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > 82W27
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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John, who did your upholstery and when?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Ruth Bailey
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
John, your bimini looks great. I like how it fits tight. Your upholstery
looks really nice. Such a contrast to your "before" photos.
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
>
> Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "Rick and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> >
> > We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love
to see what it looks like on your boat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, "John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products
Biminis.
> > > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric than
> > > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have ordered
a
> > > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered
the
> > > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it
would
> > > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect
and
> > > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> > >
> > > http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > 82W27
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert
on global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind,
yet a search on the internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from
all around the world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they
are all making it up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups.com, capbrian <capbrian@...> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely that
it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
The upholstery was not cheap. It was done by a local shop. Great Bridge
Upholstery in Chesapeake, VA. I think anyone could go to a upholstery shop
and get a similar price..(I am reluctant to say it was a deal!) Using my
old foam it was still $700.) They bagged the old foam and soaked it in
Lysol, then upholstered the original foam with new fabric.
John
_____
From: watkins@yahoogroups.com [mailto:watkins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:19 AM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
John, who did your upholstery and when?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Ruth Bailey
To: watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
John, your bimini looks great. I like how it fits tight. Your upholstery
looks really nice. Such a contrast to your "before" photos.
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Rick
and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
>
> Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Rick
and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> >
> > We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love
to see what it looks like on your boat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products
Biminis.
> > > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric
than
> > > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have
ordered a
> > > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered
the
> > > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it
would
> > > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect
and
> > > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started
the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> > >
> > > http://norfolknaval <http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm>
sailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > 82W27
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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I must have failed also. You claimed that the weather changes in themselves are
proof that the changes were caused by mankind. it aint so; Weather changes can
be caused by weather on the sun; there were weather changes before cavemen
discovered fire.
There may be _other_ evidence that man has caused changes but the existence of
changes are not proof of what caused them.
Have a nice sail; beware of sudden squalls which " prove " the mermaids caused
them.
Bryan - W30 for sale
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...>
Subject: [watkins] Great Lakes OT: Weather
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:09 PM
I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert on
global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the
world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind, yet a search on the
internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from all around the
world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they are all making it
up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, capbrian <capbrian@.. .> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely that
it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
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Don't want to keep the debate going too long just want to point out that you can
do carbon dating of CO2 in the atmosphere the same way you do carbon dating of
materials to find their date using c17. When scientists do that they reveal
that most of the CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at an increasing rate from
the burning of hydro-carbon fuels -- coal, gas, oil, etc. Also fairly simple to
measure the amount of CO2 and see that it has increased since man started
burning these fuels in large amounts (since industrial age) as well as where it
is going,e.g., absorbed in the oceans etc. When you do these tests you see
there are statistically significant changes in the level of CO2 and other
hydrocarbons in the atmosphere in the last 100 years with most of the changes
taking place in the last 20-30 years.
Has it affected the weather -- that is a whole other argument and not as easy to
prove because there are many factors that affect our weather. What is known is
by looking at the earth's longer historical trends --back to ice ages etc, is
that whatever caused the increases and decreases in the atmosphere composition
back then resulted in significant affects on the earth's weather patterns --
generally atmosphere changes preceded the earth's climate affects by about
50-100 years. So for us old farts, we likely won't see much. However, without
some changes in the current trends (regardless of the cause) our grand kids will
see more dramatic climate changes that will affect availability of crop
producing lands, clean water etc.
Marty
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
From: capbrian@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:49:15 -0700
Subject: [watkins] Weather
I must have failed also. You claimed that the weather changes in themselves are
proof that the changes were caused by mankind. it aint so; Weather changes can
be caused by weather on the sun; there were weather changes before cavemen
discovered fire.
There may be _other_ evidence that man has caused changes but the existence of
changes are not proof of what caused them.
Have a nice sail; beware of sudden squalls which " prove " the mermaids caused
them.
Bryan - W30 for sale
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...>
Subject: [watkins] Great Lakes OT: Weather
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:09 PM
I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert on
global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the
world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind, yet a search on the
internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from all around the
world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they are all making it
up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, capbrian <capbrian@.. .> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely that
it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
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Hi, You keep missing the point.
Re-read what you wrote :viz.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
and I am sure you will see it.
" unusual patterns of weather " are evidence only of change; they are not
"evidence that we humans have affected." anything.
It might have been the Martians who affected it for all one can tell by "looking
at the patterns "
Back to Watkins then : a fine Welsh name and very prevalent where I was born.
Probably refers to kinfolk of Wat Tyler - a good sound anti-establishment figure
around here some years ago.
Bryan
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, martin schoenbauer <jansea6815@...> wrote:
From: martin schoenbauer <jansea6815@...>
Subject: RE: [watkins] Weather
To: "watkins" <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 1:19 PM
Don't want to keep the debate going too long just want to point out that you can
do carbon dating of CO2 in the atmosphere the same way you do carbon dating of
materials to find their date using c17. When scientists do that they reveal that
most of the CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at an increasing rate from the
burning of hydro-carbon fuels -- coal, gas, oil, etc. Also fairly simple to
measure the amount of CO2 and see that it has increased since man started
burning these fuels in large amounts (since industrial age) as well as where it
is going,e.g., absorbed in the oceans etc. When you do these tests you see there
are statistically significant changes in the level of CO2 and other hydrocarbons
in the atmosphere in the last 100 years with most of the changes taking place in
the last 20-30 years.
Has it affected the weather -- that is a whole other argument and not as easy to
prove because there are many factors that affect our weather. What is known is
by looking at the earth's longer historical trends --back to ice ages etc, is
that whatever caused the increases and decreases in the atmosphere composition
back then resulted in significant affects on the earth's weather patterns --
generally atmosphere changes preceded the earth's climate affects by about
50-100 years. So for us old farts, we likely won't see much. However, without
some changes in the current trends (regardless of the cause) our grand kids will
see more dramatic climate changes that will affect availability of crop
producing lands, clean water etc.
Marty
To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
From: capbrian@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:49:15 -0700
Subject: [watkins] Weather
I must have failed also. You claimed that the weather changes in themselves are
proof that the changes were caused by mankind. it aint so; Weather changes can
be caused by weather on the sun; there were weather changes before cavemen
discovered fire.
There may be _other_ evidence that man has caused changes but the existence of
changes are not proof of what caused them.
Have a nice sail; beware of sudden squalls which " prove " the mermaids caused
them.
Bryan - W30 for sale
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ gmail.com>
Subject: [watkins] Great Lakes OT: Weather
To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:09 PM
I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert on
global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the
world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind, yet a search on the
internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from all around the
world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they are all making it
up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, capbrian <capbrian@.. .> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely that
it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd cool
summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and about
another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
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John, I think you got a deal and it looks great. When I got mine done I opted
for new foam. With new foam, Sunbrella upholstery fabric, and matching curtains
it was $2000.00.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: John Peterson
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
The upholstery was not cheap. It was done by a local shop. Great Bridge
Upholstery in Chesapeake, VA. I think anyone could go to a upholstery shop
and get a similar price..(I am reluctant to say it was a deal!) Using my
old foam it was still $700.) They bagged the old foam and soaked it in
Lysol, then upholstered the original foam with new fabric.
John
_____
From: watkins@yahoogroups.com [mailto:watkins@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jim
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:19 AM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
John, who did your upholstery and when?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Ruth Bailey
To: watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:50 PM
Subject: [watkins] Re: New Bimini
John, your bimini looks great. I like how it fits tight. Your upholstery
looks really nice. Such a contrast to your "before" photos.
Rick
--- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Rick
and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@...> wrote:
>
> Duh - I just found the link with photos of your bimini...
>
> Not only do I have a poor imagination, I also don't read very well!
>
> Rick
>
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com, "Rick
and Ruth Bailey" <rick_rew@> wrote:
> >
> > We have poor imaginations out here, John, and we need photos! Would love
to see what it looks like on your boat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > --- In watkins@yahoogroups <mailto:watkins%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
"John Peterson" <john.peterson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A month or so ago there was a thread regarding the Taylor Products
Biminis.
> > > I bought one for $84 and could not be happier. It is lighter fabric
than
> > > sunbrella but the price was right and it should last several years.
> > > Immediately after ordering it, if I had a "do over" I would have
ordered a
> > > larger width. The width of my bimini frame is 84 inches and I ordered
the
> > > 79-84 inch wide bimini per their instructions. I was afraid that it
would
> > > be too narrow to wrap over the frame properly, however it was perfect
and
> > > any wider would have been too large. So, thanks for whoever started
the
> > > thread.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dream Date's web page with new bimini
> > >
> > > http://norfolknaval <http://norfolknavalsailing.org/dreamdate.htm>
sailing.org/dreamdate.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > 82W27
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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I think climate change is due to power-boaters, us sailors are Saints.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: capbrian
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [watkins] Weather
Hi, You keep missing the point.
Re-read what you wrote :viz.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
and I am sure you will see it.
" unusual patterns of weather " are evidence only of change; they are not
"evidence that we humans have affected." anything.
It might have been the Martians who affected it for all one can tell by
"looking at the patterns "
Back to Watkins then : a fine Welsh name and very prevalent where I was born.
Probably refers to kinfolk of Wat Tyler - a good sound anti-establishment figure
around here some years ago.
Bryan
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, martin schoenbauer <jansea6815@...> wrote:
From: martin schoenbauer <jansea6815@...>
Subject: RE: [watkins] Weather
To: "watkins" <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 1:19 PM
Don't want to keep the debate going too long just want to point out that you
can do carbon dating of CO2 in the atmosphere the same way you do carbon dating
of materials to find their date using c17. When scientists do that they reveal
that most of the CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at an increasing rate from
the burning of hydro-carbon fuels -- coal, gas, oil, etc. Also fairly simple to
measure the amount of CO2 and see that it has increased since man started
burning these fuels in large amounts (since industrial age) as well as where it
is going,e.g., absorbed in the oceans etc. When you do these tests you see there
are statistically significant changes in the level of CO2 and other hydrocarbons
in the atmosphere in the last 100 years with most of the changes taking place in
the last 20-30 years.
Has it affected the weather -- that is a whole other argument and not as easy
to prove because there are many factors that affect our weather. What is known
is by looking at the earth's longer historical trends --back to ice ages etc, is
that whatever caused the increases and decreases in the atmosphere composition
back then resulted in significant affects on the earth's weather patterns --
generally atmosphere changes preceded the earth's climate affects by about
50-100 years. So for us old farts, we likely won't see much. However, without
some changes in the current trends (regardless of the cause) our grand kids will
see more dramatic climate changes that will affect availability of crop
producing lands, clean water etc.
Marty
To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
From: capbrian@yahoo. com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:49:15 -0700
Subject: [watkins] Weather
I must have failed also. You claimed that the weather changes in themselves
are proof that the changes were caused by mankind. it aint so; Weather changes
can be caused by weather on the sun; there were weather changes before cavemen
discovered fire.
There may be _other_ evidence that man has caused changes but the existence of
changes are not proof of what caused them.
Have a nice sail; beware of sudden squalls which " prove " the mermaids caused
them.
Bryan - W30 for sale
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ gmail.com>
Subject: [watkins] Great Lakes OT: Weather
To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:09 PM
I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert on
global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the
world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind, yet a search on the
internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from all around the
world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they are all making it
up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, capbrian <capbrian@.. .> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely
that it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd
cool summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and
about another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
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Not taking sides, but two weeks ago on the Science channel they showed a number
of climate scientist (all were from reputable universities, research groups or
government agencies) to dispute the claim that C02 is at the heart of our global
warming. They showed that over the centuries CO2 emissions have followed
temperature increases/decreases not the other way around. Now, these people are
still in the minority, but present some interesting alternatives. The also
point out that there are other gases, such as methane, which are found in
greater quantities and have higher greenhouse effects that CO2, but have
received little or no study. They contend that CO2 has become a convenient and
easy political scapegoat. Their overall contention is that while we are
"wasting" time, money and political capital on the lesser evil CO2, the real
culprits are going unnoticed.
Once upon a time the majority of the "learned" thinkers of their time believed
that the universe rotated around the earth, and later the sun, that the earth
was no more than 4 thousand years old, and that blood letting cured many of the
ills of their times. Recent advancements, such as GPS and the finding of the
Hubble telescope have challenged and changed the way we viewed space and time.
Newton's laws of gravity have been proven to be great approximations (good
enough to get us to the moon and back) but ultimately wrong. I for one will try
to keep an open mind. That said, I must admit I have enjoyed the give and take
on the subject of global warming, even thought it is not Watkins/sailing
related. I just hope it does not digress from an intellectual exercise into a
flame war between any of our site members.
Now as so many of our erstwhile colleagues on this site say: Just go Sailing!
----- Original Message -----
From: martin schoenbauer
To: watkins
Sent: 2009-08-05 08:19
Subject: RE: [watkins] Weather
Don't want to keep the debate going too long just want to point out that you
can do carbon dating of CO2 in the atmosphere the same way you do carbon dating
of materials to find their date using c17. When scientists do that they reveal
that most of the CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing at an increasing rate from
the burning of hydro-carbon fuels -- coal, gas, oil, etc. Also fairly simple to
measure the amount of CO2 and see that it has increased since man started
burning these fuels in large amounts (since industrial age) as well as where it
is going,e.g., absorbed in the oceans etc. When you do these tests you see there
are statistically significant changes in the level of CO2 and other hydrocarbons
in the atmosphere in the last 100 years with most of the changes taking place in
the last 20-30 years.
Has it affected the weather -- that is a whole other argument and not as easy
to prove because there are many factors that affect our weather. What is known
is by looking at the earth's longer historical trends --back to ice ages etc, is
that whatever caused the increases and decreases in the atmosphere composition
back then resulted in significant affects on the earth's weather patterns --
generally atmosphere changes preceded the earth's climate affects by about
50-100 years. So for us old farts, we likely won't see much. However, without
some changes in the current trends (regardless of the cause) our grand kids will
see more dramatic climate changes that will affect availability of crop
producing lands, clean water etc.
Marty
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
From: capbrian@...
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 02:49:15 -0700
Subject: [watkins] Weather
I must have failed also. You claimed that the weather changes in themselves
are proof that the changes were caused by mankind. it aint so; Weather changes
can be caused by weather on the sun; there were weather changes before cavemen
discovered fire.
There may be _other_ evidence that man has caused changes but the existence of
changes are not proof of what caused them.
Have a nice sail; beware of sudden squalls which " prove " the mermaids caused
them.
Bryan - W30 for sale
--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...> wrote:
From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@...>
Subject: [watkins] Great Lakes OT: Weather
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:09 PM
I think I didn't make myself clear Brian. I do not claim to be an expert on
global weather. I do not know that wild temperature swings and a record cold
summer but yet dry means anything special to the World. However the news from
around the world does reflect the same kind of reports from lots of locations
Northern and Southern hemispheres. I did try to say that "experts"(do they know
what they are talking about???) can only agree that we will in for wilder
weather due to the warming that has already happened. There is documentation of
the warming. There is a huge multinational effort that has been monitoring the
polar climates that report a 10 degree F change in temps(refer to the 2007
report from thousands of monitoring stations taken from 2000 to 2005, the third
report in the series, next one due 2011 to 2012) to support that humans may have
had a hand in these changes then I would ask what you will take as evidence that
humans have affected the
world climate? Perhaps nothing will change your mind, yet a search on the
internet will yield a number of confirming data sources from all around the
world. Perhaps I have been hearing false reporting. maybe they are all making it
up. But I have never worn my wool socks in summer before!
--- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, capbrian <capbrian@.. .> wrote:
>
> That is not evidence that "we humans" have affected the climate...merely
that it has been different lately...
>
> let's not confuse the two things.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wilson <alancwilson51@ ...>
> Subject: [watkins] Re: S.ailing the Great Lakes
> To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****I live in the great lakes region and must say that it has been a odd
cool summer at times setting record low temperatures for the highest of the day.
However down here in the Twin Cities we are in a drought with brown grass in
what is usually very green MN.
>
> *****IF a person needs evidence that we humans have affected the world's
climate all one has to do is look at the unusual patterns of weather lately.
*****
> As many "experts" said we will be in for wilder and stranger weather in the
years to come.
> Alan W.
>
> --- In watkins@yahoogroups .com, "Paul Lapointe" <Lapoints@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Our prayers and best wishes for moderate winds and settling seas; and
about another 10 degrees of warmth.
> > Paul L.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jdmyers@
> > To: watkins@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: 2009-08-03 12:45
> > Subject: RE: [watkins] S.ailing the Great Lakes
> >
> >
> > ALL,
> > An update from yesterdays post:
> > We made it safe into Caseville Michigan harbor at about 5;30 PM last
> > night. The trip of 18 miles took 6 hours and the GPS trip log said we
> > sailed about 24 miles. The wind and waves were on our nose so we tacked
> > back and forth all day. The waves were 2-4 feet. Every few minutes we
> > would take a wave that would soak the boat from stem to stern. We have
> > a dodger and bimini. Water would run off the back of the bimini!
> > I felt bad for the poor boat, I think we enlarged some stress cracks
> > yesterday. The boat groaned and moaned as we wallowed in the Waves.
> > These are tough boats so I was never worried about the rigging being
> > carried away or any major failure. I was glad I had topped off my
> > diesel tank other wise we might of sucked some air!
> >
> > I am writing this sitting in the saloon of Y KNOT as it is too cold in
> > the cockpit. Currently it is drizzling, Temperature of 63 degrees,
> > winds 15-20 Knots out of the south. The Caseville harbor is about a
> > quarter mile up the Pigeon river behind a sand dune but the boat is
> > still rocking at the slip and occasionally the rigging rattles.
> >
> > If the weather breaks in the next day or so we hope to sail out to
> > Charity Island (10 miles out) and walk the beach and visit the abandon
> > light house then return before dark. We have not been there for about
> > 10 years.
> >
> > Fair Winds!!!!!
> > John Myers
> >
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