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#4923 From: "philip schneider" <theoldsalt@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 11:39 am
Subject: Re: 		theoldsalt@...
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gosh, who'd have thunk that a oil company owning president (who was elected
by the supreme court) from an oil family, would want to go to war with the
richest oil producing region in the world???!!  i'm getting back at the
bastards (you can pick which one(s) i mean) by driving a fuel efficient auto
(40mpg).  i'll get back at the other bastard(s) in november or 2004.

phil
s/v reuben ranzo
tampa

p.s. this should stir the pot.







>From: "andre" <babciak@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To:
><WBabell7@...>,<watkins-list@...>,<watkins@yahoogroups.com>,<Relam@\
wp.pl>,<kuczmaus@...>,<JMDF57@...>,"Jacek"
><jacek004@...>,<HeshBarb@...>,"elzbieta rejner"
><elik1402@...>,<dalis@...>,<cmccrann@...>,<babciakus@wp.\
pl>,"babciak"
><babciak@...>,"andre babciak" <babciak@...>,"andre"
><babciak@...>,<AHD3@...>,<7325807041@...>
>Subject: [watkins] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:01 -0500
>
>All,
>
>Not sure if this is true or not, but I know who I'm NOT buying gas from
>anymore...
>
><Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the
>
>coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import
>their
>
>oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that
>every
>
>time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to
>
>kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for
>you
>
>to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from.
>
>
>
>Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil: (for the period 9/1/00 -
>
>8/31/01).
>
>
>
>Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels
>
>Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels
>
>Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels
>
>Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels
>
>Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels
>
>
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!
>
>
>
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
>Citgo 0 barrels
>
>Sunoco 0 barrels
>
>Conoco 0 barrels
>
>Sinclair 0 barrels
>
>BP/Phillips 0 barrels
>
>
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and can
>be
>
>easily documented. Refineries located in the US are required to state where
>
>
>they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a
>monthly
>
>basis.
>
>
>
>Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for
>
>terrorism.............
>
>
>
>But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers.
>
>It's really simple to do!!
>
>
>
>Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how
>simple
>
>it is to reach millions of people!! .
>
>
>
>I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at
>
>least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
>more
>
>300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth
>
>generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
>
>
>
>If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each,
>then
>
>30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further,
>you
>
>guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
>
>
>Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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#4924 From: "Lapointe, Paul - G1" <lapointp@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 11:46 am
Subject: RE: 		lapointp@...
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Use B-100 diesel in your boat and send a message to ALL the petrolium oil
companies.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: philip schneider [mailto:theoldsalt@...]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:40 AM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [watkins]


gosh, who'd have thunk that a oil company owning president (who was elected
by the supreme court) from an oil family, would want to go to war with the
richest oil producing region in the world???!!  i'm getting back at the
bastards (you can pick which one(s) i mean) by driving a fuel efficient auto

(40mpg).  i'll get back at the other bastard(s) in november or 2004.

phil
s/v reuben ranzo
tampa

p.s. this should stir the pot.







>From: "andre" <babciak@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To:
><WBabell7@...>,<watkins-list@...>,<watkins@yahoogroups.com>,<Re
lam@...>,<kuczmaus@...>,<JMDF57@...>,"Jacek"
><jacek004@...>,<HeshBarb@...>,"elzbieta rejner"
><elik1402@...>,<dalis@...>,<cmccrann@...>,<babciakus
@wp.pl>,"babciak"
><babciak@...>,"andre babciak" <babciak@...>,"andre"
><babciak@...>,<AHD3@...>,<7325807041@...>
>Subject: [watkins] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:01 -0500
>
>All,
>
>Not sure if this is true or not, but I know who I'm NOT buying gas from
>anymore...
>
><Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
>the
>
>coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import
>their
>
>oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that
>every
>
>time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying
>to
>
>kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting
>for you
>
>to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from.
>
>
>
>Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil: (for the period 9/1/00
>-
>
>8/31/01).
>
>
>
>Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels
>
>Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels
>
>Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels
>
>Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels
>
>Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels
>
>
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>
>
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
>Citgo 0 barrels
>
>Sunoco 0 barrels
>
>Conoco 0 barrels
>
>Sinclair 0 barrels
>
>BP/Phillips 0 barrels
>
>
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>can be
>
>easily documented. Refineries located in the US are required to state
>where
>
>
>they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a
>monthly
>
>basis.
>
>
>
>Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for
>
>terrorism.............
>
>
>
>But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
>buyers.
>
>It's really simple to do!!
>
>
>
>Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how
>simple
>
>it is to reach millions of people!! .
>
>
>
>I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to
>at
>
>least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least
>ten more
>
>300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>sixth
>
>generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers!
>
>
>
>If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>each, then
>
>30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
>further, you
>
>guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
>
>
>Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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#4925 From: "George Adams Jr." <gmajr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 2:29 pm
Subject: RE: 		gmajresoti
Send Email Send Email
  
Good for you Phil! I have not gone as far as you but 2 months ago, I
traded my SUV for a Matrix.  I can still fit a surfboard in the car and
my pooch can ride in the back.

So far, I have recorded up to 30.5 MPG, easier on my wallet and the
environment.

George
SV Stoked!
St. Pete Beach

-----Original Message-----
From: Lapointe, Paul - G1 [mailto:lapointp@...]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:47 AM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [watkins]

Use B-100 diesel in your boat and send a message to ALL the petrolium
oil
companies.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: philip schneider [mailto:theoldsalt@...]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:40 AM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [watkins]


gosh, who'd have thunk that a oil company owning president (who was
elected
by the supreme court) from an oil family, would want to go to war with
the
richest oil producing region in the world???!!  i'm getting back at the
bastards (you can pick which one(s) i mean) by driving a fuel efficient
auto

(40mpg).  i'll get back at the other bastard(s) in november or 2004.

phil
s/v reuben ranzo
tampa

p.s. this should stir the pot.







>From: "andre" <babciak@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To:
><WBabell7@...>,<watkins-list@...>,<watkins@yahoogroups.com>
,<Re
lam@...>,<kuczmaus@...>,<JMDF57@...>,"Jacek"
><jacek004@...>,<HeshBarb@...>,"elzbieta rejner"
><elik1402@...>,<dalis@...>,<cmccrann@...>,<babci
akus
@wp.pl>,"babciak"
><babciak@...>,"andre babciak"
<babciak@...>,"andre"
><babciak@...>,<AHD3@...>,<7325807041@...
m>
>Subject: [watkins] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:01 -0500
>
>All,
>
>Not sure if this is true or not, but I know who I'm NOT buying gas from

>anymore...
>
><Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
>the
>
>coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import
>their
>
>oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that
>every
>
>time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying

>to
>
>kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting
>for you
>
>to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from.
>
>
>
>Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil: (for the period 9/1/00
>-
>
>8/31/01).
>
>
>
>Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels
>
>Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels
>
>Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels
>
>Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels
>
>Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels
>
>
>
>If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
>BILLION!
>
>
>
>
>Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
>
>Citgo 0 barrels
>
>Sunoco 0 barrels
>
>Conoco 0 barrels
>
>Sinclair 0 barrels
>
>BP/Phillips 0 barrels
>
>
>
>All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
>can be
>
>easily documented. Refineries located in the US are required to state
>where
>
>
>they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a
>monthly
>
>basis.
>
>
>
>Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for
>
>terrorism.............
>
>
>
>But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
>buyers.
>
>It's really simple to do!!
>
>
>
>Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how
>simple
>
>it is to reach millions of people!! .
>
>
>
>I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to

>at
>
>least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least
>ten more
>
>300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the
>sixth
>
>generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
>consumers!
>
>
>
>If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
>each, then
>
>30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
>further, you
>
>guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
>
>
>Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


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#4926 From: "gaby" <jags.gav@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: Looking to buy a Watkins 27 		isgav9
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Dear George
I'M considering selling my 80 W27. Its in the Middle River area MD
(Baltimore). Upfront, the Renault diesel engine have a starting problem. It
takes 1-3 minutes of starter time to jump the engine. Otherwise, very clean
boat.
Sincerely
Gaby
jags.gav@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Adams Jr." <gmajr@...>
To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: [watkins] Looking to buy a Watkins 27


> I do not have a current copy but I frequently see Watkins advertised in
> the Mariner.  I pick up my free copies of the Mariner at West Marine.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: luke507 [mailto:luke507@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:31 PM
> To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [watkins] Looking to buy a Watkins 27
>
> We are building a new home in Punta Gorda, Fl. The dock will be
> finished in Feb or March. I'm beginning my search for a W27 to
> improve the looks of an empty dock. Any condition considered. Any
> condition considered depending on price. I've seen the boats listed
> in BoatTrader. Does anyone know of any other W27's available ??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#4927 From: "philip schneider" <theoldsalt@...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 9:36 pm
Subject: RE: 		theoldsalt@...
Send Email Send Email
  
When the winds are fair, George, I hoist my main and jib and don't burn a
drop.

Phil
S/V Reuben Ranzo
tampa






>From: "George Adams Jr." <gmajr@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [watkins]
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:29:56 -0500
>
>Good for you Phil! I have not gone as far as you but 2 months ago, I
>traded my SUV for a Matrix.  I can still fit a surfboard in the car and
>my pooch can ride in the back.
>
>So far, I have recorded up to 30.5 MPG, easier on my wallet and the
>environment.
>
>George
>SV Stoked!
>St. Pete Beach
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lapointe, Paul - G1 [mailto:lapointp@...]
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:47 AM
>To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [watkins]
>
>Use B-100 diesel in your boat and send a message to ALL the petrolium
>oil
>companies.
>Paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: philip schneider [mailto:theoldsalt@...]
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:40 AM
>To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [watkins]
>
>
>gosh, who'd have thunk that a oil company owning president (who was
>elected
>by the supreme court) from an oil family, would want to go to war with
>the
>richest oil producing region in the world???!!  i'm getting back at the
>bastards (you can pick which one(s) i mean) by driving a fuel efficient
>auto
>
>(40mpg).  i'll get back at the other bastard(s) in november or 2004.
>
>phil
>s/v reuben ranzo
>tampa
>
>p.s. this should stir the pot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "andre" <babciak@...>
> >Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> >To:
> ><WBabell7@...>,<watkins-list@...>,<watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>,<Re
>lam@...>,<kuczmaus@...>,<JMDF57@...>,"Jacek"
> ><jacek004@...>,<HeshBarb@...>,"elzbieta rejner"
> ><elik1402@...>,<dalis@...>,<cmccrann@...>,<babci
>akus
>@wp.pl>,"babciak"
> ><babciak@...>,"andre babciak"
><babciak@...>,"andre"
> ><babciak@...>,<AHD3@...>,<7325807041@...
>m>
> >Subject: [watkins] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:01 -0500
> >
> >All,
> >
> >Not sure if this is true or not, but I know who I'm NOT buying gas from
>
> >anymore...
> >
> ><Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into
> >the
> >
> >coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import
> >their
> >
> >oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that
> >every
> >
> >time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying
>
> >to
> >
> >kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting
> >for you
> >
> >to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from.
> >
> >
> >
> >Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil: (for the period 9/1/00
> >-
> >
> >8/31/01).
> >
> >
> >
> >Shell................ 205,742,000 barrels
> >
> >Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels
> >
> >Exxon /Mobil......... 130,082,000 barrels
> >
> >Marathon............. 117,740,000 barrels
> >
> >Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels
> >
> >
> >
> >If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
> >BILLION!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
> >
> >Citgo 0 barrels
> >
> >Sunoco 0 barrels
> >
> >Conoco 0 barrels
> >
> >Sinclair 0 barrels
> >
> >BP/Phillips 0 barrels
> >
> >
> >
> >All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
> >can be
> >
> >easily documented. Refineries located in the US are required to state
> >where
> >
> >
> >they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a
> >monthly
> >
> >basis.
> >
> >
> >
> >Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for
> >
> >terrorism.............
> >
> >
> >
> >But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
> >buyers.
> >
> >It's really simple to do!!
> >
> >
> >
> >Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how
> >simple
> >
> >it is to reach millions of people!! .
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to
>
> >at
> >
> >least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least
> >ten more
> >
> >300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches the
> >sixth
> >
> >generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> >consumers!
> >
> >
> >
> >If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
> >each, then
> >
> >30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level
> >further, you
> >
> >guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
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#4928 From: "captnjimothey" <gillmore@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 1:09 am
Subject: Re: Keel Location on Watkins 27 		captnjimothey
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Check out photos #17

Jim

--- In watkins@y..., "tkhoffer" <tkhoffer@y...> wrote:
> Hello everyone, I am the owner of a 1979 Watkins 27 and I need
> information on the size and location of the keel.  I am building a
> lift for the boat and need this information to design the cradle.
> Does anyone out there have the original owners manual or
information
> that they can email or fax to me?  Your help is greatly
appreciated.
> Email addresss: tkhoffer@y...  Fax number: 352-447-4172.
>
> Thx,
>
>   Tom Hoffer

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#4929 From: "luke507" <luke507@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 2:42 am
Subject: unstep / restep mast on W27 		luke507
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How difficult is it to unstep and restep the mast on the W27 ?? In
order to transport overland.

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#4930 From: 1secondwind@...
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 3:42 am
Subject: Re: unstep / restep mast on W27 		secondwind72002
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Easy with a crane. Use giant wire ties to secure all the rigging. Duct tape is a
mess to get off.
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   How difficult is it to unstep and restep the mast on the W27 ?? In
   order to transport overland.







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#4931 From: "Maggie Gillmore" <gillmore@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 5:30 am
Subject: RE: unstep / restep mast on W27 		captnjimothey
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Luke,
     Don't forget to place some support under the middle of the mast during
transportation and storage.  I had a crane come and unstep mine for the trip
from the hard to ocean .  We added some blocking to support the middle
section, the ends were supported by the bow pulpit and the stern railing.
Jim
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   Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:43 PM
   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [watkins] unstep / restep mast on W27


   Easy with a crane. Use giant wire ties to secure all the rigging. Duct
tape is a mess to get off.
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     To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
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     Subject: [watkins] unstep / restep mast on W27


     How difficult is it to unstep and restep the mast on the W27 ?? In
     order to transport overland.







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#4932 From: secondwind <1secondwind@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: unstep / restep mast on W27 		secondwind72002
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W27 requires an oversize permit because of the 10 ft beam. Anything over
8'6" requires a permit. I had my trailer made 8'6' to get all the stability
I could. Ever drop an egg on concrete? 13'6" is the max height. After that
it gets real interesting.  Depending on the trailer you might not be able to
put the mast on the boat. "You" should measure it personally.  My trailer
has drop axles. We stow the masts on the trailer. Makes it easier to work on
the boat, get in and out and allows you to work on the mast. Be sure and
"read" the markings on overpasses. The are even sometimes right! I saw one
mast, somebody else was hauling that was real flat on the pointy end! Small
town stop lights, I say stop lights cause they are usually red, installed by
some bubba may or may not be high enough, dodge um! Watch for phone lines
and cable tv lines, they are the ones on the bottom and sag a lot. We even
have had to trim limbs getting up the mountain roads in Arkansas to the
lakes. Then there are those signs and power poles right on the curb where
they made four lanes out of a two lane road. Can't run the right lane,
overhang! Yea it's way up high but lookout! Be sure and set the keel on some
4 x 6 beams so you can get the travel lift straps out from under the keel.
Get "all" the weight on the keel, "then" screw the pads up to touch the
hull. Watkins are tough but lets not test the hull! Notify "your" insurance
company and make sure they will verbally or in writing extend coverage while
hauling. Boat US is glad for you to tell them and give you a few days, then
tell them it survived. Oh, and permitted loads have to "stop" at weigh
stations. They usually wave you around the scale and you have to go in and
show the permit. A flashing orange light is required but you don't need an
escort vehicle. You can start out 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes
after sunset you better be somewhere to stop.
Have fun, and oh yea GO SALIN



----- Original Message -----
From: "Maggie Gillmore" <gillmore@...>
To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: RE: [watkins] unstep / restep mast on W27


> Luke,
>     Don't forget to place some support under the middle of the mast during
> transportation and storage.  I had a crane come and unstep mine for the
trip
> from the hard to ocean .  We added some blocking to support the middle
> section, the ends were supported by the bow pulpit and the stern railing.
> Jim
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: 1secondwind@... [mailto:1secondwind@...]
>   Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:43 PM
>   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [watkins] unstep / restep mast on W27
>
>
>   Easy with a crane. Use giant wire ties to secure all the rigging. Duct
> tape is a mess to get off.
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: luke507
>     To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:42 PM
>     Subject: [watkins] unstep / restep mast on W27
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>     order to transport overland.
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#4933 From: "Richard Brunt" <richandann@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 5:04 pm
Subject: battery installation - W27 		ericbrunt
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Hello all,
The battery installation on my 79 W27 is less than ideal.  There is
insufficient room for the batteries and their plastic cases.  I'm wondering
if the boat came like this, or if it was someone's brilliant modification.
Anyway, they are currently squeezed in the starboard cockpit locker,
forward, between the engine compartment and a shelf.  My W27 has a slight
starboard list, so I was also wondering if anyone has the batteries on the
port side somewhere.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Richard Brunt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale E. Baker" <debaker2@...>
To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim


> Richard:
> Stop at your local hardware store, or even at Wal-Mart in the insulation
section.  You'll find "Nail-On Reinforced Rubber Gasket Weatherstrip"  The
stuff is a 3/8" diameter foam filled rubber gasket with a 1/2" wide flange,
17' long and cheap.
>
> I've used it to replace the orange stuff on several renovation projects.
It's best to remove the wood panels, nail the flange to the edge of the wood
then reinstall, however I've also had projects where I was only able to
force the flange into the space between the wood and the fiberglass.  If
possible apply a small bead of water proof glue to the flange edge first.
>
> g'luck
>
> Dale Baker
> '81 W27 "Weyrling"
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Richard Brunt
>   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:28 PM
>   Subject: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
>
>
>   Has anyone replaced the foam trim on their W27s?  Mine has had it.  Is
wood
>   the way to go, or is there another substitute for the foam?
>
>   Richard Brunt
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <1secondwind@...>
>   To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [watkins] prop shaft
>
>
>   > You want to remove the old hose or the shaft? To remove an old dried
out
>   hose after using all that lubrication try a big ole pipe wrench and work
it
>   back and forth. The last resort, carefully use a rotary grinder with a
cut
>   off blade, dont cut too far or you cut into the bronze. The hose may be
wire
>   reinforced and require some side cutter pliers. If you can find a small
>   troll to put in there it helps.
>   > If you cant get the shaft out of the rear flange and you have undone
the
>   bolts on the flange, there can be two set screws, there is probably rust
up
>   in the coupling. Again being very carefull, apply heat with a torch but
wet
>   everything down and have someone else stand by with a fire extinguisher.
A
>   spray bottle of water on hand helps too. It is hard to know what stage
you
>   have come to. If you can slide the shaft and flange back towards the
stern
>   and cant get the flange off try a puller. Don't beat the hell out of it
even
>   though you want to. Does any of that help?
>   > When reassembling, I know you got it, sand the shaft with fine grit
paper
>   and clean it good. Inside of flange can be cleaned up with a dremel and
fine
>   wire brush. See all the tools, uh toys you get to buy.
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Jack Bird
>   >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:03 PM
>   >   Subject: [watkins] prop shaft
>   >
>   >
>   >   Here I go again,
>   >            I've got about 2 weeks until I can spend about 1 week with
Wild
>   Thing and the mate, looking very forward to being back on the water
>   again.While making my final cleaning and inspection I noticed the
stuffing
>   box rubber hose badly decomposing, please don't laugh!!!!!!!  I have
>   loosened all set screw, soaked everything in penatrating oil, and grunt
and
>   groaned until I can't moan no more. Is it time to take this to the pros
or
>   does any one have any good ideas on how to get the silly shaft out ??
>   >
>   >       It is a 1 inch shaft on a 1GM10 Yannmar (1987)
>   >
>   >   thanks,
>   >   jack
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#4934 From: "slb43" <slb43@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 5:26 pm
Subject: RE: battery installation - W27 		slb431946
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The two batteries on my 78 W27 are in the starboard cockpit locker, side by
side, near the forward end.  Both have plastic boxes, and fit fine. They're
down deep and hard to reach from the cockpit, but fortunately that isn't
necessary too often.  I don't have a shelf in that locker, maybe that's the
difference.

Steve B.
Ripple in Irvington, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Brunt [mailto:richandann@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 12:04 PM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [watkins] battery installation - W27


Hello all,
The battery installation on my 79 W27 is less than ideal.  There is
insufficient room for the batteries and their plastic cases.  I'm wondering
if the boat came like this, or if it was someone's brilliant modification.
Anyway, they are currently squeezed in the starboard cockpit locker,
forward, between the engine compartment and a shelf.  My W27 has a slight
starboard list, so I was also wondering if anyone has the batteries on the
port side somewhere.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Richard Brunt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale E. Baker" <debaker2@...>
To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim


> Richard:
> Stop at your local hardware store, or even at Wal-Mart in the insulation
section.  You'll find "Nail-On Reinforced Rubber Gasket Weatherstrip"  The
stuff is a 3/8" diameter foam filled rubber gasket with a 1/2" wide flange,
17' long and cheap.
>
> I've used it to replace the orange stuff on several renovation projects.
It's best to remove the wood panels, nail the flange to the edge of the wood
then reinstall, however I've also had projects where I was only able to
force the flange into the space between the wood and the fiberglass.  If
possible apply a small bead of water proof glue to the flange edge first.
>
> g'luck
>
> Dale Baker
> '81 W27 "Weyrling"
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Richard Brunt
>   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:28 PM
>   Subject: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
>
>
>   Has anyone replaced the foam trim on their W27s?  Mine has had it.  Is
wood
>   the way to go, or is there another substitute for the foam?
>
>   Richard Brunt
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <1secondwind@...>
>   To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:56 PM
>   Subject: Re: [watkins] prop shaft
>
>
>   > You want to remove the old hose or the shaft? To remove an old dried
out
>   hose after using all that lubrication try a big ole pipe wrench and work
it
>   back and forth. The last resort, carefully use a rotary grinder with a
cut
>   off blade, dont cut too far or you cut into the bronze. The hose may be
wire
>   reinforced and require some side cutter pliers. If you can find a small
>   troll to put in there it helps.
>   > If you cant get the shaft out of the rear flange and you have undone
the
>   bolts on the flange, there can be two set screws, there is probably rust
up
>   in the coupling. Again being very carefull, apply heat with a torch but
wet
>   everything down and have someone else stand by with a fire extinguisher.
A
>   spray bottle of water on hand helps too. It is hard to know what stage
you
>   have come to. If you can slide the shaft and flange back towards the
stern
>   and cant get the flange off try a puller. Don't beat the hell out of it
even
>   though you want to. Does any of that help?
>   > When reassembling, I know you got it, sand the shaft with fine grit
paper
>   and clean it good. Inside of flange can be cleaned up with a dremel and
fine
>   wire brush. See all the tools, uh toys you get to buy.
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Jack Bird
>   >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:03 PM
>   >   Subject: [watkins] prop shaft
>   >
>   >
>   >   Here I go again,
>   >            I've got about 2 weeks until I can spend about 1 week with
Wild
>   Thing and the mate, looking very forward to being back on the water
>   again.While making my final cleaning and inspection I noticed the
stuffing
>   box rubber hose badly decomposing, please don't laugh!!!!!!!  I have
>   loosened all set screw, soaked everything in penatrating oil, and grunt
and
>   groaned until I can't moan no more. Is it time to take this to the pros
or
>   does any one have any good ideas on how to get the silly shaft out ??
>   >
>   >       It is a 1 inch shaft on a 1GM10 Yannmar (1987)
>   >
>   >   thanks,
>   >   jack
>   >
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#4935 From: "luke507" <luke507@...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 11:45 pm
Subject: truck transport a W27 ?? 		luke507
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Has anyone had their W27 transported by a trucking company ??
What kind of cost are you looking at for boat transport ??

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#4936 From: secondwind <1secondwind@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 12:20 am
Subject: Re: truck transport a W27 ?? 		secondwind72002
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Depends on how far you are going and how much deadheading is involved.
Permits, depending on how many states are involved can be from $12 to $60
dollars and about $2.50 to $3.00 a loaded mile. That's for a sailor to haul
it, not a freight truck driver.
$50 to $60 dollars an hour for unstepping mast and loading/securing. A crane
to take down the mast is from $75 to $125 and hour. Usually takes an hour.
If you are using a travel lift that is usually about $125 and they give you
some yard time. One important note is to have a trailer that will take a
shoal draft boat. Meaning one with pads that will drop far enough so that
the weight is on the keel not the pads and hull.
Where you going?? To a raft up??

  ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:45 PM
Subject: [watkins] truck transport a W27 ??


> Has anyone had their W27 transported by a trucking company ??
> What kind of cost are you looking at for boat transport ??
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#4937 From: "Bruce Miller \(USCGA\)" <bmilleruscgaux@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 12:18 am
Subject: RE: truck transport a W27 ?? 		bmilleruscgaux
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Cocoa Beach to Seattle in the spring of 1994.  4000 for the trip and
about 1500 split between the two ends to get it ready for transport and
to get back in the water.



Bruce Miller

S/V Independent Living

Seattle, WA



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#4938 From: secondwind <1secondwind@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 12:38 am
Subject: Re: battery installation - W27 		secondwind72002
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My 84 W27 came with a shelf in the starboard locker. I have three 27 series
Gel Cells in a plexiglass box I built. I also have two in the quarter berth
port side, down in that first locker on their side one behind the other.
These make for short runs to the starter. I use the three for house or yacht
I guess, and the other for starting so all my electronics don't fry when the
starter pulls mega amps. Of course you can combine all with a switch if
needed. Gel Cells don't leak and don't give off hydrogen gas when charging.
Remember the Hindenburg! The new AGM absorbed glass mat batteries are small
and have more power with better life and are not as sensitive to being
overcharged or charged at too high a voltage, but then you should be using a
3 step marine charger, regulated to about 13.8 volts that shuts completly
off, not trickle, and not an Auto Zone special ferroresonant humming, 16
volt Jim Dandy battery cooker that arcs and sparks when the contacts connect
which well, you know the rest of the story.......


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Brunt" <richandann@...>
To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: [watkins] battery installation - W27


> Hello all,
> The battery installation on my 79 W27 is less than ideal.  There is
> insufficient room for the batteries and their plastic cases.  I'm
wondering
> if the boat came like this, or if it was someone's brilliant modification.
> Anyway, they are currently squeezed in the starboard cockpit locker,
> forward, between the engine compartment and a shelf.  My W27 has a slight
> starboard list, so I was also wondering if anyone has the batteries on the
> port side somewhere.  Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Richard Brunt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale E. Baker" <debaker2@...>
> To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
>
>
> > Richard:
> > Stop at your local hardware store, or even at Wal-Mart in the insulation
> section.  You'll find "Nail-On Reinforced Rubber Gasket Weatherstrip"  The
> stuff is a 3/8" diameter foam filled rubber gasket with a 1/2" wide
flange,
> 17' long and cheap.
> >
> > I've used it to replace the orange stuff on several renovation projects.
> It's best to remove the wood panels, nail the flange to the edge of the
wood
> then reinstall, however I've also had projects where I was only able to
> force the flange into the space between the wood and the fiberglass.  If
> possible apply a small bead of water proof glue to the flange edge first.
> >
> > g'luck
> >
> > Dale Baker
> > '81 W27 "Weyrling"
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Richard Brunt
> >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:28 PM
> >   Subject: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
> >
> >
> >   Has anyone replaced the foam trim on their W27s?  Mine has had it.  Is
> wood
> >   the way to go, or is there another substitute for the foam?
> >
> >   Richard Brunt
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: <1secondwind@...>
> >   To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
> >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:56 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [watkins] prop shaft
> >
> >
> >   > You want to remove the old hose or the shaft? To remove an old dried
> out
> >   hose after using all that lubrication try a big ole pipe wrench and
work
> it
> >   back and forth. The last resort, carefully use a rotary grinder with a
> cut
> >   off blade, dont cut too far or you cut into the bronze. The hose may
be
> wire
> >   reinforced and require some side cutter pliers. If you can find a
small
> >   troll to put in there it helps.
> >   > If you cant get the shaft out of the rear flange and you have undone
> the
> >   bolts on the flange, there can be two set screws, there is probably
rust
> up
> >   in the coupling. Again being very carefull, apply heat with a torch
but
> wet
> >   everything down and have someone else stand by with a fire
extinguisher.
> A
> >   spray bottle of water on hand helps too. It is hard to know what stage
> you
> >   have come to. If you can slide the shaft and flange back towards the
> stern
> >   and cant get the flange off try a puller. Don't beat the hell out of
it
> even
> >   though you want to. Does any of that help?
> >   > When reassembling, I know you got it, sand the shaft with fine grit
> paper
> >   and clean it good. Inside of flange can be cleaned up with a dremel
and
> fine
> >   wire brush. See all the tools, uh toys you get to buy.
> >   >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   From: Jack Bird
> >   >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> >   >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:03 PM
> >   >   Subject: [watkins] prop shaft
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Here I go again,
> >   >            I've got about 2 weeks until I can spend about 1 week
with
> Wild
> >   Thing and the mate, looking very forward to being back on the water
> >   again.While making my final cleaning and inspection I noticed the
> stuffing
> >   box rubber hose badly decomposing, please don't laugh!!!!!!!  I have
> >   loosened all set screw, soaked everything in penatrating oil, and
grunt
> and
> >   groaned until I can't moan no more. Is it time to take this to the
pros
> or
> >   does any one have any good ideas on how to get the silly shaft out ??
> >   >
> >   >       It is a 1 inch shaft on a 1GM10 Yannmar (1987)
> >   >
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#4939 From: Paul Windt <pwindt@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 2:16 am
Subject: Re: truck transport a W27 ?? 		pwindtmediao...
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About three years ago, my esteemed brother in law, Brian, arranged to have
Wendor moved from
Ithaca, NY to Warwick, RI, about 350 miles. I believe it cost around $900 - BUT,
we were able
to let the boat transportation company move her on their schedule, so it was
less expensive
than a specific schedule. Top rate boat movers, too.

Brian is part of this group, so maybe he can add some details!

Paul Windt
1981 W27 Wendor
20 feet from Narragansett Bay at Edgewood yacht Club, Cranston, RI

luke507 wrote:

> Has anyone had their W27 transported by a trucking company ??
> What kind of cost are you looking at for boat transport ??
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#4940 From: njsailor <njsailor@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 2:15 pm
Subject: transport 		mitchanita
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April 99  Orleans Mass ro Brick NJ  (lots of tolls and traffic)  took
them 7 hours down and 6 back.
$1000 for a  hydraulic trailer -no need to use travel-lift at either end
of trip. (new rig - custom trailer with eight suppport poppets) and 2
man crew
they loaded in Mass, packed jack stands and blocks the day before and
unloaded in NJ and blocked in my new yard on day two.

Mitch
83 W27 Gone With The Wind
(as of 11/1 - on the hard in Ocean Gate NJ - going down today to remove
sails and prop and ready her for the freeze)

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#4941 From: "Maggie Gillmore" <gillmore@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 3:54 pm
Subject: RE: truck transport a W27 ?? 		captnjimothey
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Luke,
    I purchased Quadrille our 82 W27 in Clinton Mass.   The former owner was
helpful in connecting me with Pecks Boats who had placed her on the hard in
Clinton.  They came up put the trailer under the boat, removed the stands
and towed her about 140 miles.  Put her into the water and raised the mast
and set the rigging.   All in all it was about a 576.00 day.   It actually
was a tad bit more but that was because I had them do some extra things to
the mast and spreaders.   They did  a fine job and I am indebted to the
previous for hooking me up with them.  I am not sure where you are in
realtion to them.  However, there are several sites that you can find where
you can enter origination/destination and you will get email quotes from
various hauling companies.   Look for them in google search engines.
Jim Gillmore
   -----Original Message-----
   From: luke507 [mailto:luke507@...]
   Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:46 PM
   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [watkins] truck transport a W27 ??


   Has anyone had their W27 transported by a trucking company ??
   What kind of cost are you looking at for boat transport ??


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#4942 From: 1secondwind@...
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 5:05 pm
Subject: Re: transport 		secondwind72002
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I have seen those trailers. If you did not use a travel lift how did you get it
out of the water and back in? They did not submerge that trailer did they? Where
do you find a ramp long enough and deep enough to flood launch and retrieve on
that coast? Or did you just move it from the hard in one place and unload on the
hard in another?
We dont have the luxury of travel lifts here in Ark on the lakes. The Corp will
not allow that kind of development, but they will take our tax dollars! My
trailer has a front axle way up by the gooseneck and we put two spares on and
hook up a couple of 30 foot 4inch wide tow straps and let the whole mess in the
water. Even for a Watkins its a long way down the ramp to get enough water.
There is a photo of this in files on the Wakins site. I don't have a picture of
a Watkins on it yet. I modified a trailer I borrowed to haul mine. Then I had
this one made, kinda the better mouse trap. When I get one on there I can
measure all the set up and maybe that will help those wanting a cradle. However
jack stands work well too and are easier to store. Brownell has those.
http://www.brownellsystems.com/
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: njsailor
   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:15 AM
   Subject: [watkins] transport


   April 99  Orleans Mass ro Brick NJ  (lots of tolls and traffic)  took
   them 7 hours down and 6 back.
   $1000 for a  hydraulic trailer -no need to use travel-lift at either end
   of trip. (new rig - custom trailer with eight suppport poppets) and 2
   man crew
   they loaded in Mass, packed jack stands and blocks the day before and
   unloaded in NJ and blocked in my new yard on day two.

   Mitch
   83 W27 Gone With The Wind
   (as of 11/1 - on the hard in Ocean Gate NJ - going down today to remove
   sails and prop and ready her for the freeze)







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#4943 From: "philip schneider" <theoldsalt@...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: battery installation - W27 		theoldsalt@...
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My batteries are in the large lazzarette on the starboard side just aft of
the bulkhead.  I currently have two and plan to add a third.

Phil
S/V Reuben Ranzo
Tampa






>From: "Richard Brunt" <richandann@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [watkins] battery installation - W27
>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:04:11 -0800
>
>Hello all,
>The battery installation on my 79 W27 is less than ideal.  There is
>insufficient room for the batteries and their plastic cases.  I'm wondering
>if the boat came like this, or if it was someone's brilliant modification.
>Anyway, they are currently squeezed in the starboard cockpit locker,
>forward, between the engine compartment and a shelf.  My W27 has a slight
>starboard list, so I was also wondering if anyone has the batteries on the
>port side somewhere.  Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Richard Brunt
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dale E. Baker" <debaker2@...>
>To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
>
>
> > Richard:
> > Stop at your local hardware store, or even at Wal-Mart in the insulation
>section.  You'll find "Nail-On Reinforced Rubber Gasket Weatherstrip"  The
>stuff is a 3/8" diameter foam filled rubber gasket with a 1/2" wide flange,
>17' long and cheap.
> >
> > I've used it to replace the orange stuff on several renovation projects.
>It's best to remove the wood panels, nail the flange to the edge of the
>wood
>then reinstall, however I've also had projects where I was only able to
>force the flange into the space between the wood and the fiberglass.  If
>possible apply a small bead of water proof glue to the flange edge first.
> >
> > g'luck
> >
> > Dale Baker
> > '81 W27 "Weyrling"
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Richard Brunt
> >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:28 PM
> >   Subject: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
> >
> >
> >   Has anyone replaced the foam trim on their W27s?  Mine has had it.  Is
>wood
> >   the way to go, or is there another substitute for the foam?
> >
> >   Richard Brunt
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: <1secondwind@...>
> >   To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
> >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:56 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [watkins] prop shaft
> >
> >
> >   > You want to remove the old hose or the shaft? To remove an old dried
>out
> >   hose after using all that lubrication try a big ole pipe wrench and
>work
>it
> >   back and forth. The last resort, carefully use a rotary grinder with a
>cut
> >   off blade, dont cut too far or you cut into the bronze. The hose may
>be
>wire
> >   reinforced and require some side cutter pliers. If you can find a
>small
> >   troll to put in there it helps.
> >   > If you cant get the shaft out of the rear flange and you have undone
>the
> >   bolts on the flange, there can be two set screws, there is probably
>rust
>up
> >   in the coupling. Again being very carefull, apply heat with a torch
>but
>wet
> >   everything down and have someone else stand by with a fire
>extinguisher.
>A
> >   spray bottle of water on hand helps too. It is hard to know what stage
>you
> >   have come to. If you can slide the shaft and flange back towards the
>stern
> >   and cant get the flange off try a puller. Don't beat the hell out of
>it
>even
> >   though you want to. Does any of that help?
> >   > When reassembling, I know you got it, sand the shaft with fine grit
>paper
> >   and clean it good. Inside of flange can be cleaned up with a dremel
>and
>fine
> >   wire brush. See all the tools, uh toys you get to buy.
> >   >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   From: Jack Bird
> >   >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
> >   >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:03 PM
> >   >   Subject: [watkins] prop shaft
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Here I go again,
> >   >            I've got about 2 weeks until I can spend about 1 week
>with
>Wild
> >   Thing and the mate, looking very forward to being back on the water
> >   again.While making my final cleaning and inspection I noticed the
>stuffing
> >   box rubber hose badly decomposing, please don't laugh!!!!!!!  I have
> >   loosened all set screw, soaked everything in penatrating oil, and
>grunt
>and
> >   groaned until I can't moan no more. Is it time to take this to the
>pros
>or
> >   does any one have any good ideas on how to get the silly shaft out ??
> >   >
> >   >       It is a 1 inch shaft on a 1GM10 Yannmar (1987)
> >   >
> >   >   thanks,
> >   >   jack
> >   >
> >   >
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#4944 From: "watkins23xl" <cheneyc@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:42 am
Subject: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		watkins23xl
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Well, after three weeks of cleaning, work, and chores, Johnnie and I
finally made it to the boat.  The minute we got to the boat it started
raining!  Man......
So we took a two hour nap, made coffee, and I starred at the 1 gallon
porta-potti while the rain came down.

Now, a question for someone:  what type of heat should I use for the
cabin? We are planning on sailing year-round, unless you guys think it
would be better for the boat to get it out and store it during the
hard winter months in Atlanta, so what is the best?  (alcohol,
electric (I have a 1000 watt portable Honda generator), propane, etc?
  We are going to participate in a race on January 1st, so I would like
to keep the boat in the water until then, and would like to spend some
nights on the boat, maybe even in a sonw-storm, if we get any snow
this year.  After that, we were going to bring it home for
January/February work for the raft-up (new wood for the transom and
replace chain-plate), but it sure is nice to just go to the dock and
sit there, that is if the weather is too bad.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, about the heater or anything else!?

Thanks, and I sure am glad that I can pull my boat with a 6 cylinder
ford Windstar, and don't have to hire a "big rig."  Maybe the small
potti isn't so bad after all!  See you guys in VA.

Conrad and Johnnie Cheney

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#4945 From: Ashiko33@...
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		ashiko33
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Hi,

I am not familiar with the 23... what are her accommodations?  Headroom?
Layout?  Sleep?  Mine is a 25... very roomy for a 25.  It is the same with
the 23?
Susan
s/v Phoenix 86 W25


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#4946 From: Conrad Cheney <cheneyc@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:19 am
Subject: Re: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		watkins23xl
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Hello to you,

It is very roomy for a 23, I guess.  Only has 5' of head room, though.
  We sleep 6 (2 adults and 4 kids) on it, and can also sail with that
many (more if we really want to - kids play video games in the cabin and
don't seem to get sea sick!).  We have a swing keel, and displacement is
around 3000 pounds.  25' foot mast, and as I have mentioned in other
postings, a porta-potti.  I really like the layout of the 25.  Paul
LaPointe, the former owner of my boat "Jolly Roger," has the dimensions
on the Watkins page.  I have some pictures in the picture section, also.
  Thanks for the note.

Conrad and Johnnie Cheney
Launch rigging nowind lines logo

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>
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> Layout?  Sleep?  Mine is a 25... very roomy for a 25.  It is the same
> with
> the 23?
> Susan
> s/v Phoenix 86 W25
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#4947 From: "Carroll Delaney" <acdelaney@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:18 pm
Subject: Winter Storage and Positioning of Boat 		acdelaney2001
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My 78 W27 was stored in the past on 5 jack stands with a level keel.

When I took a look at it after was positioned for this winter, I found
support with a height of 1 4 by 4 on the back of the keel.  The bow is
slanted up by about 4 inches, since there are is support with height of 2 4
by 4's at the front of the end of the bow.  There are also now 6 jack stands
on it - with the extra charge.

Does anyone have a clue as to why this would be done - slanting the boat and
what the effects are on the boat and mast?

Am calling them today to find out why it was done and am going to ask them
to straighten it and put it on 5 jack stands.

Carroll Delaney

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#4948 From: "Carroll Delaney" <acdelaney@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:18 pm
Subject: RE: battery installation - W27 		acdelaney2001
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Mine(2) are located in the same spot.  Though I do not have a shelf.  Plenty
of room for the 2.   1978 W27.

Carroll Delaney
   -----Original Message-----
   From: philip schneider [mailto:theoldsalt@...]
   Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:44 PM
   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [watkins] battery installation - W27


   My batteries are in the large lazzarette on the starboard side just aft of
   the bulkhead.  I currently have two and plan to add a third.

   Phil
   S/V Reuben Ranzo
   Tampa






   >From: "Richard Brunt" <richandann@...>
   >Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   >To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
   >Subject: [watkins] battery installation - W27
   >Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:04:11 -0800
   >
   >Hello all,
   >The battery installation on my 79 W27 is less than ideal.  There is
   >insufficient room for the batteries and their plastic cases.  I'm
wondering
   >if the boat came like this, or if it was someone's brilliant
modification.
   >Anyway, they are currently squeezed in the starboard cockpit locker,
   >forward, between the engine compartment and a shelf.  My W27 has a slight
   >starboard list, so I was also wondering if anyone has the batteries on
the
   >port side somewhere.  Thanks in advance for your help.
   >
   >Richard Brunt
   >
   >----- Original Message -----
   >From: "Dale E. Baker" <debaker2@...>
   >To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
   >Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:31 PM
   >Subject: Re: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
   >
   >
   > > Richard:
   > > Stop at your local hardware store, or even at Wal-Mart in the
insulation
   >section.  You'll find "Nail-On Reinforced Rubber Gasket Weatherstrip"
The
   >stuff is a 3/8" diameter foam filled rubber gasket with a 1/2" wide
flange,
   >17' long and cheap.
   > >
   > > I've used it to replace the orange stuff on several renovation
projects.
   >It's best to remove the wood panels, nail the flange to the edge of the
   >wood
   >then reinstall, however I've also had projects where I was only able to
   >force the flange into the space between the wood and the fiberglass.  If
   >possible apply a small bead of water proof glue to the flange edge first.
   > >
   > > g'luck
   > >
   > > Dale Baker
   > > '81 W27 "Weyrling"
   > >
   > >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >   From: Richard Brunt
   > >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   > >   Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:28 PM
   > >   Subject: [watkins] replacing orange foam trim
   > >
   > >
   > >   Has anyone replaced the foam trim on their W27s?  Mine has had it.
Is
   >wood
   > >   the way to go, or is there another substitute for the foam?
   > >
   > >   Richard Brunt
   > >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >   From: <1secondwind@...>
   > >   To: <watkins@yahoogroups.com>
   > >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:56 PM
   > >   Subject: Re: [watkins] prop shaft
   > >
   > >
   > >   > You want to remove the old hose or the shaft? To remove an old
dried
   >out
   > >   hose after using all that lubrication try a big ole pipe wrench and
   >work
   >it
   > >   back and forth. The last resort, carefully use a rotary grinder with
a
   >cut
   > >   off blade, dont cut too far or you cut into the bronze. The hose may
   >be
   >wire
   > >   reinforced and require some side cutter pliers. If you can find a
   >small
   > >   troll to put in there it helps.
   > >   > If you cant get the shaft out of the rear flange and you have
undone
   >the
   > >   bolts on the flange, there can be two set screws, there is probably
   >rust
   >up
   > >   in the coupling. Again being very carefull, apply heat with a torch
   >but
   >wet
   > >   everything down and have someone else stand by with a fire
   >extinguisher.
   >A
   > >   spray bottle of water on hand helps too. It is hard to know what
stage
   >you
   > >   have come to. If you can slide the shaft and flange back towards the
   >stern
   > >   and cant get the flange off try a puller. Don't beat the hell out of
   >it
   >even
   > >   though you want to. Does any of that help?
   > >   > When reassembling, I know you got it, sand the shaft with fine
grit
   >paper
   > >   and clean it good. Inside of flange can be cleaned up with a dremel
   >and
   >fine
   > >   wire brush. See all the tools, uh toys you get to buy.
   > >   >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >   >   From: Jack Bird
   > >   >   To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
   > >   >   Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 4:03 PM
   > >   >   Subject: [watkins] prop shaft
   > >   >
   > >   >
   > >   >   Here I go again,
   > >   >            I've got about 2 weeks until I can spend about 1 week
   >with
   >Wild
   > >   Thing and the mate, looking very forward to being back on the water
   > >   again.While making my final cleaning and inspection I noticed the
   >stuffing
   > >   box rubber hose badly decomposing, please don't laugh!!!!!!!  I have
   > >   loosened all set screw, soaked everything in penatrating oil, and
   >grunt
   >and
   > >   groaned until I can't moan no more. Is it time to take this to the
   >pros
   >or
   > >   does any one have any good ideas on how to get the silly shaft out
??
   > >   >
   > >   >       It is a 1 inch shaft on a 1GM10 Yannmar (1987)
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#4949 From: "Gillmore, Jim" <jgillmore@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		jim_gillmore
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Conrad and Johnnie,
     I recently purchased a Coleman heater that is 3000BTU it runs
about 8 hours on one of the disposable cylinders.  It has a small fan
in it that runs on two D cell batteries.   The fan is suppose to last
about 18 hours of continuous running on the batteries.  I have not
run it that long. Yet that is.  I have my boat pulled and on the
hard, however, it is still my escape and I will be sleeping on her
while I prepare her for the next year.   The heater has functioned
very well in keeping me warm as we have had a very un-seasonably cold
October.  Saw snow on the ground twice this month.  BRRR   Anyhow,
the heater did the job, two would have done better but one held the
chill off the cabin.   The heater was about 50.00 at Wal-mart/Kmart
etc.
JMTC
Jim
82 W27 Quadrille


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- -----Original Message-----
From: watkins23xl [mailto:cheneyc@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:42 PM
To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [watkins] Finally made it to the boat, then
........................


Well, after three weeks of cleaning, work, and chores, Johnnie and I
finally made it to the boat.  The minute we got to the boat it
started
raining!  Man......
So we took a two hour nap, made coffee, and I starred at the 1 gallon
porta-potti while the rain came down.

Now, a question for someone:  what type of heat should I use for the
cabin? We are planning on sailing year-round, unless you guys think
it
would be better for the boat to get it out and store it during the
hard winter months in Atlanta, so what is the best?  (alcohol,
electric (I have a 1000 watt portable Honda generator), propane, etc?
We are going to participate in a race on January 1st, so I would like
to keep the boat in the water until then, and would like to spend
some
nights on the boat, maybe even in a sonw-storm, if we get any snow
this year.  After that, we were going to bring it home for
January/February work for the raft-up (new wood for the transom and
replace chain-plate), but it sure is nice to just go to the dock and
sit there, that is if the weather is too bad.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, about the heater or anything
else!?

Thanks, and I sure am glad that I can pull my boat with a 6 cylinder
ford Windstar, and don't have to hire a "big rig."  Maybe the small
potti isn't so bad after all!  See you guys in VA.

Conrad and Johnnie Cheney





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#4950 From: "henry sip" <hsip@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: transport 		watkins471
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How come you took her out before you took down
the sails? If you have a furling you may catch too much
wind and I woul;d rather heel in the water than on land....
Took mine down yesterday and now ready for hard.
Lousy sailing season on Barnegat this year. Hope for
better 2003.

H Sip  s/v Clueless


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Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:15 AM
Subject: [watkins] transport


> April 99  Orleans Mass ro Brick NJ  (lots of tolls and traffic)  took
> them 7 hours down and 6 back.
> $1000 for a  hydraulic trailer -no need to use travel-lift at either end
> of trip. (new rig - custom trailer with eight suppport poppets) and 2
> man crew
> they loaded in Mass, packed jack stands and blocks the day before and
> unloaded in NJ and blocked in my new yard on day two.
>
> Mitch
> 83 W27 Gone With The Wind
> (as of 11/1 - on the hard in Ocean Gate NJ - going down today to remove
> sails and prop and ready her for the freeze)
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#4951 From: "philip schneider" <theoldsalt@...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		theoldsalt@...
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if you have an alcohol galley stove you can invert a clay flowerpot over the
lit burner and it will heat up the cabin nicely (unless you are in the artic
or Minnesota or someplace like that).  big problem is condensation which
leads to mildew.

Phil
S/V Reuben ranzo
Tampa






>From: "watkins23xl" <cheneyc@...>
>Reply-To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>To: watkins@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [watkins] Finally made it to the boat, then
>........................
>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 02:42:02 -0000
>
>Well, after three weeks of cleaning, work, and chores, Johnnie and I
>finally made it to the boat.  The minute we got to the boat it started
>raining!  Man......
>So we took a two hour nap, made coffee, and I starred at the 1 gallon
>porta-potti while the rain came down.
>
>Now, a question for someone:  what type of heat should I use for the
>cabin? We are planning on sailing year-round, unless you guys think it
>would be better for the boat to get it out and store it during the
>hard winter months in Atlanta, so what is the best?  (alcohol,
>electric (I have a 1000 watt portable Honda generator), propane, etc?
>  We are going to participate in a race on January 1st, so I would like
>to keep the boat in the water until then, and would like to spend some
>nights on the boat, maybe even in a sonw-storm, if we get any snow
>this year.  After that, we were going to bring it home for
>January/February work for the raft-up (new wood for the transom and
>replace chain-plate), but it sure is nice to just go to the dock and
>sit there, that is if the weather is too bad.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated, about the heater or anything else!?
>
>Thanks, and I sure am glad that I can pull my boat with a 6 cylinder
>ford Windstar, and don't have to hire a "big rig."  Maybe the small
>potti isn't so bad after all!  See you guys in VA.
>
>Conrad and Johnnie Cheney
>
>
>


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#4952 From: w27sail@...
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Finally made it to the boat, then ........................ 		w27sail
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Hi You know larger capacity potties are available. As for year-round sailing
the weather in your area should not hurt your boat. I leave Wildest Dream in
the water every winter. Unless you live in Yankee land and have to be cosened
about hard freezes, your boat is better off in the water.
Jim Brewer 78W27 Wildest Dream
Yorktown Va.       PS see you in June


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